Steve "Shipoopoi" Schneider needs to feel the SHAME of WoS

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MTucker

Ice climber
Arizona
Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 10, 2011 - 07:29pm PT
Steve "Shipoopoi" Schneider should be feeling the public shame. Not the BS circle jerk going on.

No apology will make up for the damage that has been done.

Only took you 51 years to be an adult. I was going to say, “to be a man” but that wouldn’t be accurate. Time will tell what kind of adult.

“Twenty-nine years ago, I did a bad thing, and I began to regret it the very next day.” A real man would not have done the deed.

Waiting 29 years to apologize is like repenting right before you die, means nothing.

Being young, angry, confused, jealous, drunk is no reason and no excuse for what you have done.

The 100 posts of praise are disgusting.

Very few see the real impact to Mark, Richard and climbing.

“What a huge fuking mess over a rock climb.” WB

happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Dec 10, 2011 - 07:34pm PT
I disagree. What is done is done, and what HAS BEEN done, iss that the person came forward to the parties concerned and apologized. They have forgiven him. That is really what matters.

He'll never be able to satisfy everybody, and you speak only for yourself and not those everybodies.


You may not like what you are witnessing, but that is beside the point. It isn't about you(and I don't mean that in a negative or aggressive way);.

Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 07:34pm PT
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SECOND response to an obvious troll!

To paraphrase Mark Smith's own statement on the matter, we are not defined by our past sins, but by the direction we take in the present.

Given that the direction we're taking on the subject right now is - for the first time in years - overwhelmingly positive, why try to steer it differently?

Have an internet hug.

I think Tucker's the pink one. EC's on the right. Werner's probably Fl...
I think Tucker's the pink one. EC's on the right. Werner's probably Fluttershy. He seems like a Flutterguy. DMT can be Rainbow Dash, he's almost awesome enough.
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happiegrrrl

Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
Dec 10, 2011 - 07:35pm PT
Oh well, If so, I have fallen for much more obvious ones!
The Larry

climber
Moab, UT
Dec 10, 2011 - 07:36pm PT
Please don't feed the troll.
ec

climber
ca
Dec 10, 2011 - 07:38pm PT
Praise?
A5scott

Trad climber
Chicago
Dec 10, 2011 - 07:39pm PT
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ec

climber
ca
Dec 10, 2011 - 07:49pm PT
Not a troll...

Justified rebuttal to the 'circle jerk.'

Get real people, a narcissistic disorder ain't going to change with a confessional...

 ec
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 07:52pm PT
So what now? Lawsuits? Cash settlements? Burning at the stake?

Ponies.

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Spider Savage

Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
Dec 10, 2011 - 07:58pm PT
Punishment is useless.


When someone commits a wrong, the solution is to make up the damage done, honestly and fully. There really is no other path to redemption.

It is up to the person who made the wrong to correctly identify what will make it right.



And I agree this post is a troll. I wasn't going to post to it but now that it's done. I had to say.
go-B

climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
Dec 10, 2011 - 08:16pm PT
“Forgiving and being forgiven are two names for the same thing. The important thing is that a discord has been resolved.” ~ C.S. Lewis


Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 08:23pm PT
“Forgiving and being forgiven are two names for the same thing. The important thing is that a discord has been resolved.” ~ C.S. Lewis
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Ron Anderson

Trad climber
USA Carson city Nev.
Dec 10, 2011 - 08:24pm PT
hhhmm, while this is a point of view, does attempting to pay the pentance for wrong doings equal out the actual doings? We need to look at each individual case, and in this case it was about some pooped on ropes and a few chopped bolts. HARDLY a "serious offense" as it were. And really, each and every one of us that has glammed onto any thing WOS to keep the mystery alive and thriving are as much to blame as any single "player" in that game. Perhaps apologies be owed universally from every "view point"? and dats my "thought" for the day lol!
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 08:25pm PT
Scenario A:

 Dude does something stupid.
 After years of feeling ashamed, eventually he fesses up.
 People shame him for fessing up.
 Next guy can't work up the nerve to fess up.

Scenario B:

 Dude does something stupid.
 After years of feeling ashamed, eventually he fesses up.
 People praise & thank him for fessing up.
 Next guy doesn't have to work as hard to get the nerve to fess up.

Not surprising that MTucker would choose Scenario A.

Not surprising that most of the decent people on the forum would choose Scenario B, and / or would understand that alleged narcissism and regret / shame can co-exist.

So what if it's a troll?
Prod

Trad climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 08:34pm PT
I understand this thread. At what point do we draw the line between, "I'm sorry' is ok and convicting a confession? My immediate thought when I read the original confession was, would we give Hitler this much praise? Obviously a big extreme, but guilt is guilt, No?

Does the face that being a bully is usually a result of low self esteem make it ok? I don't think so, but I think that Steve did a big thing in making his apology public. There was no need to do that. He owes nothing to any of us other than Richard and Mark.

I stand behing my post on the original confession thread, but I also think this thread has its place.

Is Steve better than the other 2 for saying he was sorry first?

Prod.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 08:43pm PT
Oh, dude, Hitler??!! It's just rock climbing and a stray turd. Clearly, the guy has felt shame over it for 30 years and manned up enough to admit his mistake. He gets more credit from me than any of the internet napoleons who would trump up his one admittedly crass act into a call for burnings at the stake.

MTucker is a baseless deviant who would do better judging his own public actions.
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 10, 2011 - 08:48pm PT
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 08:51pm PT
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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 08:58pm PT
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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:03pm PT
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stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:04pm PT
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:05pm PT
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Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:12pm PT
This whole WOS thing will only end once anyone who climbed in the 70s/80s and perhaps 90s is dead.
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:13pm PT
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Hankster

Social climber
Boulder
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:14pm PT
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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:14pm PT
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Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:15pm PT
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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:17pm PT
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WBraun

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:21pm PT
What a stupid thread.

What's up with this gay weird pony stuff.

Are you 5 years old?
stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:22pm PT
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I am totally down with dissing that pony shit!
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:22pm PT
What a stupid thread.

What's up with this gay weird pony stuff.

Are you 5 years old?

Credit: Da_Dweeb

stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:24pm PT
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:25pm PT
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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:27pm PT
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stich

Trad climber
Colorado Springs, Colorado
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:28pm PT
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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Jennie

Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
Please ! A soiled rope? Thirty year old memories of it? I don't think that would draw a disorderly conduct fine anywhere in the U.S,. thirty years and departed.

The real offense was it punctuated the contempt of dozens toward the FA. If one repentant prankster deserves flogging three decades gone... then round up the whole valley complement that demonstrated derision and give them spankings too.

Forgiving isn't hard...especially if you're not the tormented party. We don't see a lot of gracious and unselfish acts here. Offender (aren't we all) and offended manifest grace here today. Please don't trample on that.
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
Offender (aren't we all) and offended manifest grace here today. Please don't trample on that.


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laughingman

Mountain climber
Seattle WA
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:34pm PT
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Its a troll...

Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:35pm PT
Wise man, that John Gabriel.
the Fet

climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:43pm PT
MTucker maybe someday you will grow up too. Is that anonymous as#@&%e thing really working for you? Wouldn't you rather be positive and appreciate what people have to contribute instead of trying to cut them down? The one who suffers most from your negative attitude is you.
cintune

climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
Dec 10, 2011 - 09:56pm PT


MTucker is obviously suffering from rabies. No shame in a disease, just pitiful is all.
Hankster

Social climber
Boulder
Dec 10, 2011 - 10:08pm PT
What's up with this gay weird pony stuff?
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 10:18pm PT
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dogtown

Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
Dec 10, 2011 - 10:28pm PT
You know, normally I’m not at a loss for words but on this one it is hard to describe how I feel. A bit pissed off and sad at the same time. I have known Mark and Richard long before they did Wings of Steel and they are ethical climbers. Not to mention skilled. The falls required to lead that route are more than most are willing to put out. It’s sad the ridicule that they have had to endure on this forum and in the climbing community in general. The character assaults were unrelenting. I agree with Tucker for the most part. I do admire the fact that Steve finally came forth. But sometimes sorry just isn’t enough. What I am impressed with but not surprised is Mark and Richards willingness to forgive and move on. A class act for a couple of dorks.

Bah, Ha, Ha

Dawg.
jstan

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
Credit: Troll Hunter

In the interest of completeness cintune's graphic comes from the indie movie "Troll Hunter" about rabid trolls in Norway. Great Norwegian scenery.
The user formerly known as stzzo

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 11:12pm PT
But sometimes sorry just isn’t enough. What I am impressed with but not surprised is Mark and Richards willingness to forgive and move on.

"Sorry" was apparently enough for Mark and Richard.
nature

climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
Dec 10, 2011 - 11:21pm PT
and just when you thought MTool couldn't suck more....

classic.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 10, 2011 - 11:23pm PT
I Love this thread! I really should find a funny graphic to post but...whatever

It's a beautiful test and drama of life that the WOS team should undergo this giant epic on the stone and epic of controversy in the climbing community only to be finally vindicated and pass the test of their professed Christianity by forgiving their transgressor. It's like topping out at the end of a 30 year big wall epic.

and also a beautiful example that Steve should come, as a super accomplished climber with his hat in his hand, demonstrating that someone once famous for his hubris could admit his mistake humbly and publicly come clean without defensiveness.

Humanity rarely sees such victories and the bloodlust for punishment pales by comparison. We've all made mistakes and done wrong. For once, it lead to a good example and transformation all around

Cheers and Kudos

Now it's your turn to have a change of heart and do something noble for a change Tucker. What's the value of calling for somebody's hide who comes out to make things right? Feels like some kind of misplaced jealousy because of the attention

Peace

Karl
strangeday

Trad climber
Brea ca.
Dec 10, 2011 - 11:30pm PT
TYeary

Social climber
State of decay
Dec 10, 2011 - 11:42pm PT
over it.
TY
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 10, 2011 - 11:46pm PT
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So Werner, in the WOS wrap-up hug, which pony are you?

Credit: Lauren Faust, and an epic cast of climbers and trolls in a saga 30 years in the making.
laughingman

Mountain climber
Seattle WA
Dec 10, 2011 - 11:58pm PT
Credit: laughingman

The ponies need to go...
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Dec 10, 2011 - 11:58pm PT
Even the Haters cannot desecrate the beauty of apology offered and forgiveness rendered. The shame that Steve once felt, and no longer needs to feel, has been lifted away once and for all.

Well done, Steve, Mark and Richard.
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 12:03am PT
The ponies need to go...
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Ihateplastic

Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
Dec 11, 2011 - 01:04am PT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Dec 11, 2011 - 09:56am PT
Mtucker sure is an interesting carnival mirror eh? It shows us some interesting angles on our little Payton Place here.

You know its right about the gushy gush in that other thread. If mtucker didn't point it out stinkeye would.

That's the thing (a thing) about the Taco... when there's something needing to be said?

Someone will say it.

"If god didn't exist we would be forced to invent her."

Its good to know... there stands ever ready, the crooked finger of condemnation, the shrill voice of blame, the hard eye of judgement; poised to nail the little bastard to the cross.

Its another one of those principles of the universe.

Use it to your advantage. Don't invest energy in the cold wind, its already gone.

DMT
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 10:10am PT
Hey Dingus, in the Wings of Steel Wrap-Up Internet Hug, which pony would you be?

I think Tucker's the pink one. EC's on the right. Werner's probably Fl...
I think Tucker's the pink one. EC's on the right. Werner's probably Fluttershy. He seems like a Flutterguy. DMT can be Rainbow Dash, he's almost awesome enough.
Credit: Da_Dweeb
Hardman Knott

Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
Dec 11, 2011 - 12:40pm PT
I thought we were done with the creepy Pony Porn?
GDavis

Social climber
SOL CAL
Dec 11, 2011 - 01:07pm PT
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 01:09pm PT
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Jebus H Bomz

climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 01:14pm PT
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Credit: Jebus H Bomz
Credit: Jebus H Bomz
Credit: Jebus H Bomz
Credit: Jebus H Bomz
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 01:17pm PT
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Now that's what Hasbro SHOULD be doing with their toy line...



BOBA FETT SECRET IDENTITY SPOILER ALERT








































Credit: Da_Dweeb

Yes, Boba Fett is secretly Werner Braun.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 01:22pm PT
Look up... I beat ya!
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 01:23pm PT
Oh well played, sir!
Prod

Trad climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 01:23pm PT
GDavis is a very bad man.

Prod.
Jebus H Bomz

climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 01:24pm PT
This is the best MTucker thread ever!
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Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 01:24pm PT
GDavis is a very bad man.

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Prod

Trad climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 01:38pm PT
Hey DaDweeb...

http://www.supertopo.com/climbing/thread.php?topic_id=1684306&tn=120

Prod.
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 01:41pm PT
Prod-

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Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Dec 11, 2011 - 01:52pm PT
For some reason I think this video could put some balance back into this thread.

Off White

climber
Tenino, WA
Dec 11, 2011 - 04:33pm PT
Frigging ponies

Jody

Mountain climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 04:37pm PT
MTucker=Acer=Base1250 needs to feel the shame of posing as other climbers and sending vulgar, hateful emails. How ironic that MTucker says SOMEONE ELSE needs to feel shame.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Dec 11, 2011 - 05:08pm PT
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 05:17pm PT
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laughingman

Mountain climber
Seattle WA
Dec 11, 2011 - 09:36pm PT
This is turning into a sh#t show fast...

Its a troll...
Da_Dweeb

climber
Dec 11, 2011 - 09:38pm PT

Its a troll...

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Marlow

Sport climber
OSLO
Dec 14, 2011 - 02:45pm PT
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