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MTucker
Ice climber
Arizona
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Topic Author's Original Post - Dec 10, 2011 - 07:29pm PT
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Steve "Shipoopoi" Schneider should be feeling the public shame. Not the BS circle jerk going on.
No apology will make up for the damage that has been done.
Only took you 51 years to be an adult. I was going to say, “to be a man” but that wouldn’t be accurate. Time will tell what kind of adult.
“Twenty-nine years ago, I did a bad thing, and I began to regret it the very next day.” A real man would not have done the deed.
Waiting 29 years to apologize is like repenting right before you die, means nothing.
Being young, angry, confused, jealous, drunk is no reason and no excuse for what you have done.
The 100 posts of praise are disgusting.
Very few see the real impact to Mark, Richard and climbing.
“What a huge fuking mess over a rock climb.” WB
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:34pm PT
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I disagree. What is done is done, and what HAS BEEN done, iss that the person came forward to the parties concerned and apologized. They have forgiven him. That is really what matters.
He'll never be able to satisfy everybody, and you speak only for yourself and not those everybodies.
You may not like what you are witnessing, but that is beside the point. It isn't about you(and I don't mean that in a negative or aggressive way);.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:34pm PT
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SECOND response to an obvious troll!
To paraphrase Mark Smith's own statement on the matter, we are not defined by our past sins, but by the direction we take in the present.
Given that the direction we're taking on the subject right now is - for the first time in years - overwhelmingly positive, why try to steer it differently?
Have an internet hug.
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happiegrrrl
Trad climber
www.climbaddictdesigns.com
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:35pm PT
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Oh well, If so, I have fallen for much more obvious ones!
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:36pm PT
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Please don't feed the troll.
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ec
climber
ca
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:38pm PT
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Praise?
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A5scott
Trad climber
Chicago
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:39pm PT
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ec
climber
ca
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:49pm PT
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Not a troll...
Justified rebuttal to the 'circle jerk.'
Get real people, a narcissistic disorder ain't going to change with a confessional...
 ec
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:52pm PT
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So what now? Lawsuits? Cash settlements? Burning at the stake?
Ponies.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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Dec 10, 2011 - 07:58pm PT
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Punishment is useless.
When someone commits a wrong, the solution is to make up the damage done, honestly and fully. There really is no other path to redemption.
It is up to the person who made the wrong to correctly identify what will make it right.
And I agree this post is a troll. I wasn't going to post to it but now that it's done. I had to say.
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go-B
climber
Habakkuk 3:19 Sozo
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Dec 10, 2011 - 08:16pm PT
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“Forgiving and being forgiven are two names for the same thing. The important thing is that a discord has been resolved.” ~ C.S. Lewis
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 08:23pm PT
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“Forgiving and being forgiven are two names for the same thing. The important thing is that a discord has been resolved.” ~ C.S. Lewis
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Prod
Trad climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 08:34pm PT
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I understand this thread. At what point do we draw the line between, "I'm sorry' is ok and convicting a confession? My immediate thought when I read the original confession was, would we give Hitler this much praise? Obviously a big extreme, but guilt is guilt, No?
Does the face that being a bully is usually a result of low self esteem make it ok? I don't think so, but I think that Steve did a big thing in making his apology public. There was no need to do that. He owes nothing to any of us other than Richard and Mark.
I stand behing my post on the original confession thread, but I also think this thread has its place.
Is Steve better than the other 2 for saying he was sorry first?
Prod.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 08:51pm PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:05pm PT
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Ihateplastic
Trad climber
It ain't El Cap, Oregon
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:12pm PT
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This whole WOS thing will only end once anyone who climbed in the 70s/80s and perhaps 90s is dead.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:13pm PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:15pm PT
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WBraun
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:21pm PT
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What a stupid thread.
What's up with this gay weird pony stuff.
Are you 5 years old?
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:22pm PT
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What a stupid thread.
What's up with this gay weird pony stuff.
Are you 5 years old?
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:25pm PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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Jennie
Trad climber
Elk Creek, Idaho
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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Please ! A soiled rope? Thirty year old memories of it? I don't think that would draw a disorderly conduct fine anywhere in the U.S,. thirty years and departed.
The real offense was it punctuated the contempt of dozens toward the FA. If one repentant prankster deserves flogging three decades gone... then round up the whole valley complement that demonstrated derision and give them spankings too.
Forgiving isn't hard...especially if you're not the tormented party. We don't see a lot of gracious and unselfish acts here. Offender (aren't we all) and offended manifest grace here today. Please don't trample on that.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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Offender (aren't we all) and offended manifest grace here today. Please don't trample on that.
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laughingman
Mountain climber
Seattle WA
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:34pm PT
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Its a troll...
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:35pm PT
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Wise man, that John Gabriel.
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the Fet
climber
Tu-Tok-A-Nu-La
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:43pm PT
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MTucker maybe someday you will grow up too. Is that anonymous as#@&%e thing really working for you? Wouldn't you rather be positive and appreciate what people have to contribute instead of trying to cut them down? The one who suffers most from your negative attitude is you.
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cintune
climber
Midvale School for the Gifted
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Dec 10, 2011 - 09:56pm PT
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MTucker is obviously suffering from rabies. No shame in a disease, just pitiful is all.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 10:18pm PT
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dogtown
Trad climber
Cheyenne, Wyoming and Marshall Islands atoll.
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Dec 10, 2011 - 10:28pm PT
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You know, normally I’m not at a loss for words but on this one it is hard to describe how I feel. A bit pissed off and sad at the same time. I have known Mark and Richard long before they did Wings of Steel and they are ethical climbers. Not to mention skilled. The falls required to lead that route are more than most are willing to put out. It’s sad the ridicule that they have had to endure on this forum and in the climbing community in general. The character assaults were unrelenting. I agree with Tucker for the most part. I do admire the fact that Steve finally came forth. But sometimes sorry just isn’t enough. What I am impressed with but not surprised is Mark and Richards willingness to forgive and move on. A class act for a couple of dorks.
Bah, Ha, Ha
Dawg.
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jstan
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 11:07pm PT
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In the interest of completeness cintune's graphic comes from the indie movie "Troll Hunter" about rabid trolls in Norway. Great Norwegian scenery.
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nature
climber
Aridzona for now Denver.... here I come...
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Dec 10, 2011 - 11:21pm PT
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and just when you thought MTool couldn't suck more....
classic.
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Karl Baba
Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
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Dec 10, 2011 - 11:23pm PT
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I Love this thread! I really should find a funny graphic to post but...whatever
It's a beautiful test and drama of life that the WOS team should undergo this giant epic on the stone and epic of controversy in the climbing community only to be finally vindicated and pass the test of their professed Christianity by forgiving their transgressor. It's like topping out at the end of a 30 year big wall epic.
and also a beautiful example that Steve should come, as a super accomplished climber with his hat in his hand, demonstrating that someone once famous for his hubris could admit his mistake humbly and publicly come clean without defensiveness.
Humanity rarely sees such victories and the bloodlust for punishment pales by comparison. We've all made mistakes and done wrong. For once, it lead to a good example and transformation all around
Cheers and Kudos
Now it's your turn to have a change of heart and do something noble for a change Tucker. What's the value of calling for somebody's hide who comes out to make things right? Feels like some kind of misplaced jealousy because of the attention
Peace
Karl
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strangeday
Trad climber
Brea ca.
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Dec 10, 2011 - 11:30pm PT
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TYeary
Social climber
State of decay
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Dec 10, 2011 - 11:42pm PT
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over it.
TY
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 10, 2011 - 11:46pm PT
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So Werner, in the WOS wrap-up hug, which pony are you?
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laughingman
Mountain climber
Seattle WA
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Dec 10, 2011 - 11:58pm PT
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The ponies need to go...
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'Pass the Pitons' Pete
Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
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Dec 10, 2011 - 11:58pm PT
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Even the Haters cannot desecrate the beauty of apology offered and forgiveness rendered. The shame that Steve once felt, and no longer needs to feel, has been lifted away once and for all.
Well done, Steve, Mark and Richard.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 11, 2011 - 12:03am PT
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The ponies need to go...
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 11, 2011 - 10:10am PT
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Hey Dingus, in the Wings of Steel Wrap-Up Internet Hug, which pony would you be?
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Hardman Knott
Gym climber
Muir Woods National Monument, Mill Valley, Ca
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Dec 11, 2011 - 12:40pm PT
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I thought we were done with the creepy Pony Porn?
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GDavis
Social climber
SOL CAL
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Dec 11, 2011 - 01:07pm PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 11, 2011 - 01:09pm PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 11, 2011 - 01:17pm PT
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Now that's what Hasbro SHOULD be doing with their toy line...
BOBA FETT SECRET IDENTITY SPOILER ALERT
Yes, Boba Fett is secretly Werner Braun.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 11, 2011 - 01:23pm PT
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Oh well played, sir!
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Prod
Trad climber
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Dec 11, 2011 - 01:23pm PT
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GDavis is a very bad man.
Prod.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 11, 2011 - 01:24pm PT
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GDavis is a very bad man.
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 11, 2011 - 01:41pm PT
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Prod-
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Off White
climber
Tenino, WA
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Dec 11, 2011 - 04:33pm PT
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Frigging ponies
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Brandon-
climber
The Granite State.
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Dec 11, 2011 - 05:08pm PT
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 11, 2011 - 05:17pm PT
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laughingman
Mountain climber
Seattle WA
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Dec 11, 2011 - 09:36pm PT
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This is turning into a sh#t show fast...
Its a troll...
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Da_Dweeb
climber
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Dec 11, 2011 - 09:38pm PT
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Its a troll...
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