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Ouch!

climber
Mar 19, 2006 - 06:17pm PT
Being Nevada, maybe he went double or nothing with the judge....and lost.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Mar 19, 2006 - 06:37pm PT
Looks like he and Marnie both went up the river for the murders. You did better than me at finding our anything at all about it the crime or who was involved...

http://prisonsfoundation.org

Richard Hinger, Three Teepees / High Desert State Prison, Indian Springs, Nevada

Richard Hinger, 68, works in acrylic, gouache, and watercolor. Before his incarceration his work was shown in California fine art galleries. He had, he reports, several solo exhibits in Los Angeles and Houston, and he owned a Houston art gallery. In addition to his personal artwork, he now creates prison murals and teaches English to fellow inmates. His watercolors depicting teepees "mean freedom to me," he explains.

LqdSlvr

Trad climber
Phoenix, AZ
Mar 19, 2006 - 06:38pm PT
Lois, I don't know anything about the case, but I can answer a couple of your general legal questions. First, life sentences can get handed out for other things as well, such as conspiracy ior kidnapping. Perhaps he kidnapped, then murdered these people. Two counts of eachwould be four felonies, each of which can give a life sentence.

On the self-defense issue, that is RARELY cut and dried. If two people have a long history of animosity and both carry guns, then there is only one survivor of the encounter, it becomes a fact question for the jury. Also, there are "reasonableness" issues. A person, in most states to win on self-defense, must prove that he or she had a reasonable fear for his life. There are a LOT of factors that go into that question that prevent it from being clear cut. Perhaps the decedent didn't actually have a weapon at the time, but the shooter THOUGHT he did. Was this belief reasonable? Depends on a lot of facts and is anyhting but clear cut.

Anyway, hope that helps clarify some of the issues.

Jimmie
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
Mar 19, 2006 - 07:03pm PT
I interact with many artists. Many have mental health issues.
I think more so then the population at large.

I am becoming a fine artist.


Juanito
Ouch!

climber
Mar 19, 2006 - 07:13pm PT
Lois, if you could somehow contact the aliens, perhaps they might tell you. But then, you would probably get locked up too.

Maybe Juan and Rajmit can put you in touch with them.
Ouch!

climber
Mar 19, 2006 - 07:31pm PT
Lois, check for one of the sites that document legal proceedings and you might find a trial transcript.

edit. If you know the dates of trials and appeals, you might locate it on FindLaw site in the Nevada State section.
Holdplease2

Big Wall climber
Yosemite area
Mar 19, 2006 - 11:05pm PT
Maybe just like the owl doesn't make the murder good, the murder doesn't make the owl bad.

In all our lives, none of us are just owl makers or just murderers. Every one of us is both. Even if we pretend that it isn't true.
happiegrrrl

Trad climber
New York, NY
Mar 19, 2006 - 11:46pm PT
Yeah...it is a bit of a bubble-buster, when you find out "someone" you admired is a deeply flawed human, and not only that, has gained notoriety for the fact....

The first time I ever learned about Fetal Alcohol Syndrome(FAS) was in reading a book called "The Broken Chord," by Michael Dorris. It was a true story of a young native american man, a college prof who, wanting a son, adopted a native american boy as a baby. He too, had no idea about FAS until that time.....

It is an incredibly heart-wrenching tale of patience, frustration, agony, exctasy - the whole gamut of emotions. The man went on to author a few more books, which told stories of his finding the love of his life(Louise Erdrich, also native american and an award-winning author herself), marrying her, the two(if I remember correctly) daughters in the family, and more on his son as he comes of age and grows toward young adulthood, heavily disabled with FAS. The details of that disorder are utterly astounding. The kid is so damaged that he can't keep time straight enough to save his school lunch sandwich till noon and instead eats it on the bus, every morning, because he finds himself with a sandwich in a bag, every morning, on the bus.

The boy dies, as a young man, when he is walking to work, as a busboy, early one morning, and simply heads right across a multilane highway. Because he doesn't understand the relatiosnhip between himself and the cars on the raod.

What a shock and a half it was to find out that "saint of a man"(the author) was arrested and jailed for sexually abusing the daughters. Repeatedly, for years. And for physically abusing their mother, his wife. We'll never know what he did with the son he made a living off writing about, because the kid couldn't have explained if he was being molested or abused in the first place, and he has died before the "real life" story unfolds.

Oh, and it turned out that Dorris couldn't verify his heritage either. He was on no tribal records, and had, apparently, made up his MicMac ancestry.

On the other end of the spectrum, I remember my first exposure to "things aint what they seem, sometimes, when I found out, to my shocked dismay, that S.E. Hinton, author of "The Outsiders" was not an hot ex-hoodlum guy turned great writer, but..... a lady.
Ouch!

climber
Mar 20, 2006 - 12:51am PT
Lois, forget that convict. Here's an owl for you. His name is Buford Pierre.

Holdplease2

Big Wall climber
Yosemite area
Mar 20, 2006 - 01:15am PT
Bet that mouse would beg to differ...

Ouch, tell me now, is this #1 in a series of 2, or maybe even 3?

-Kate.
Ouch!

climber
Mar 20, 2006 - 01:16am PT
It's just computer doodling, Lois. Like scribbling on a napkin for 5 minutes. This Microsoft software is fun to play with.
Ouch!

climber
Mar 20, 2006 - 01:18am PT
LOL! Kate, I hadn't thought beyond the moment. I was just ragging on Lois and trying to stir Chaz up.
Jaybro

Social climber
The West
Mar 20, 2006 - 01:28am PT
2 pizza dudes,
they attacked him when he failed to tip. He killed'em in self defense.

IT's cheaper to tip.

Seriously though, you have to decide this stuff case by case. Think how many artists, muscians, entertainers etc, we all patronize that have done all manner of horrible things.

Not Jackson Pollack, James Brown, Hemingway, Miles Davis, nor Picasso are going to get awards from NOW, but still made valuable contributions.
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
Mar 20, 2006 - 01:29am PT


JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
Mar 20, 2006 - 01:30am PT
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
Mar 20, 2006 - 01:32am PT
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
Mar 20, 2006 - 01:34am PT
Jaybro

Social climber
The West
Mar 20, 2006 - 01:35am PT
does the one with the building depict a real place, Juan? It reminds me of something.
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
Mar 20, 2006 - 01:36am PT
JuanDeFuca

Big Wall climber
Stoney Point
Mar 20, 2006 - 01:38am PT
If the Jews in Vienna gave him a chance it could have been different.

Juan
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