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Gene

climber
Dec 7, 2011 - 03:59pm PT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_reGRx5RiSo
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
And every fool knows, a dog needs a home, and...
Dec 7, 2011 - 04:03pm PT
"A date which will live in infamy" is rapidly fading from culture.

Good. While its important to remember the sacrifice of our fathers and grandfathers its also important to put war behind us and not turn a battle into a religious relic, a 70 year old event into the next call to arms.

Its OK that my daughters don't go all weepy eyed over it. Its expected and perfectly normal. We don't get all weepy eyed over the fallen soldiers at Shiloh or Saratoga now do we? Most folks barely pay attention to those who fell during the Korean conflict and I'd dare say Iraq, too.

DMT
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 7, 2011 - 04:10pm PT
My dad (and some other dads) on his way to the Guadalcanal mudbath.
This was the cover of a Life magazine which I have.
Credit: Reilly
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 7, 2011 - 04:10pm PT
My stepfather's brother - I guess I could call him my stepuncle - was aboard the USS Oklahoma for the attack.

Congressional Medal of Honor
FLAHERTY, FRANCIS C.
Rank and organization: Ensign, U.S. Naval Reserve. Born: 15 March 1919, Charlotte, Mich. Accredited to: Michigan. Citation: For conspicuous devotion to duty and extraordinary courage and complete disregard of his own life, above and beyond the call of duty, during the attack on the Fleet in Pearl Harbor, by Japanese forces on 7 December 1941. When it was seen that the U.S.S. Oklahoma was going to capsize and the order was given to abandon ship, Ens. Flaherty remained in a turret, holding a flashlight so the remainder of the turret crew could see to escape, thereby sacrificing his own life.

Ensign Francis Flaherty
Ensign Francis Flaherty
Credit: Navy records
US Navy CM of H
US Navy CM of H
Credit: Ksolem

Every so often I end up on this site to read a few more of the citations. You can scroll down and select WWII. You might want to have a tissue handy... http://www.history.army.mil/moh.html
Gene

climber
Dec 7, 2011 - 04:20pm PT
Good. While its important to remember the sacrifice of our fathers and grandfathers its also important to put war behind us and not turn a battle into a religious relic, a 70 year old event into the next call to arms.

Bravo!!!! Couldn't agree more. My observation is that most surviving vets hate war and who should know better?

g
A5scott

Trad climber
Chicago
Dec 7, 2011 - 05:47pm PT
Enormous thanks to those who served and those that gave their lives...

I'll never forget them.

scott
'Pass the Pitons' Pete

Big Wall climber
like Ontario, Canada, eh?
Dec 7, 2011 - 06:57pm PT
The Shaw, the Oklahoma, the Arizona. A proud sacrifice by Francis Flaherty.

I love the pinup girls in Park Rat's photo - the girls these days are a lot slimmer, thank goodness.

If you are ever in Hawai'i, don't miss visiting the USS Arizona memorial.

The Japanese have sometimes contended that it was a mistake regarding the International Date Line that resulted in the sneak attack, prior to declaration of war. Is there any veracity to this?

Thanks to all who served, including my dad and all three uncles.
tolman_paul

Trad climber
Anchorage, AK
Dec 7, 2011 - 07:13pm PT
My dad served on a carrier at the tail end of the pacific campaign, he turned 18 in February of 1945.



His older brother wasn't so lucky, his trip to Iwo Jima was one way.



Hail, Robert E, Pvt, KIA, 28th Marines, USMC

I'd never made the connection until doing some Iwo googling, but my uncle was killed shortly before my fathers 18th birthday.
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 7, 2011 - 07:26pm PT
Actually Ron, although I don't hold with the Robert Stinnett theory that FDR knew about the attack, he was needling the Japanese deliberately with embargoes of critical resources as he knew that many Americans were strongly isolationist despite the fact that Nazis were already killing hundreds of American seamen.
And we were reading their coded messages faster than they were.

I hold with the school that says the Japanese started World War II, not with Pearl Harbor but with Manchuria four years earlier.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Dec 7, 2011 - 07:47pm PT
My Father, ex-pacifist and Midshipman in Her Majesty's Royal Volunteer Naval Reserve.
Frederick L Glover, Midshipman, RNVR about 1940
Frederick L Glover, Midshipman, RNVR about 1940
Credit: HighTraverse
His first posting was to one of these "Destroyers From Bases" ex US WWI destroyers.
Ex US Navy WWI destroyers
Ex US Navy WWI destroyers
Credit: HighTraverse
Roughly contemporaneous to the British V and W class destroyers they were not much liked by their new crews. They were uncomfortable and wet, working badly in a seaway. Their hull lines were rather narrow and 'herring-gutted' which gave them a vicious roll. The officers didn't like the way they handled either, since they had been built with propellors that turned the same way (2-screw ships normally have the shafts turning in opposite directions as the direction of rotation has effects on the rudder and the whole ship when manoeuvring, especially when coming alongside), so these were as awkward to handle as single-screw ships. Their turning circle was enormous, as big as most Royal Navy battleships, making them difficult to use in a submarine hunt which demanded tight manoeuvres, compounded by unreliable "chain and cog" steering gear laid across the main deck.
Pretty rough duty.

An officer at last: Lieutenant
Frederick L Glover, Lieutenant, RNVR about 1942
Frederick L Glover, Lieutenant, RNVR about 1942
Credit: HighTraverse
Final rating: Lieutenant Commander
Frederick L Glover, Lt. Commander, RNVR About 1944
Frederick L Glover, Lt. Commander, RNVR About 1944
Credit: HighTraverse
My Father served as a Lieutenant (gunnery and navigator) on a ship similar to this about 1942
Did at least two convoy duties over the top of Norway to Archangel and Murmansk
Destroyer HMS Verdun.
Destroyer HMS Verdun.
Credit: HighTraverse
Then he did coastal patrols against submarines and aircraft, mostly from various Scottish ports.
He commanded a Landing Craft Tank - Rocket at Sword Beach on D-Day.
From the Imperial War Museum. 1943
From the Imperial War Museum. 1943
Credit: HighTraverse
Then they removed the rocket launchers and he ferried supplies to the beach for several weeks before returning to a Gunboat on coastal defense.
He was still serving in 1946, commanding a Destroyer towing hulks from Normandy back to England for scrapping.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 7, 2011 - 07:48pm PT
Although my Grandfather wasn't involved in Pearl Harbor, my GF was a Navy Intelligence Officer and worked at the Pentagon.

My GF was a Russian Codebreaker during WW2. He went through many Russian language schools within the service, one of which was at Boulder, CO.

He never told us exactly what he did, due to his security oath, until the 50 years was up. And then he was happy to tell us all that he worked on.

I miss my Grandfather very much.

They are an entire generation of Heroes.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Dec 7, 2011 - 08:09pm PT
It's difficult for American/Canadians to imagine the hardship the civilians of all the other belligerent nations had to suffer.
My Uncle was a Metropolitan Policeman (London Bobby) from before The War (WWII) and throughout. On duty in London through the Blitz.
My Aunt and Uncle about 1938
My Aunt and Uncle about 1938
Credit: HighTraverse
Meanwhile my Aunt, her daughter and my Grandparents, like all unnecessary civilians, were relocated to a gate keeper's cottage in Arundel. Even though it wasn't a target, a couple of bombs fell nearby.
at Blue Doors, Arundel
at Blue Doors, Arundel
Credit: HighTraverse
My family was very lucky to not have anyone seriously injured or killed in The War. One of my Uncles was killed in The War To End All Wars (WWI)
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 7, 2011 - 08:12pm PT
Figures that Klimmer's GF was a Russian codebreaker.



(they were on our side)
guido

Trad climber
Santa Cruz/New Zealand/South Pacific
Dec 7, 2011 - 08:21pm PT
A postcard sent from my dad, chief engineer on a tanker, picking up a load of oil from Balikpapan Borneo 3 months before Pearl Harbor. Interesting that the Dutch were already censoring mail!
Credit: guido
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Dec 7, 2011 - 08:34pm PT
May 10,. 1940, Germany invaded and soon overwhelmed Holland.
From Wikipedia
Queen Wilhelmina, her family and the government evacuated to Britain, but during the Battle of Britain her daughter Princess Juliana and her children proceeded to Ottawa, Canada.
So the Dutch government ruled the colonies from exile in England. There appears to have been 18 months of calm in the Dutch West Indies. Until the day after Pearl Harbor.
On December 8, 1941, Netherlands declared war on Japan.[10] In January the American-British-Dutch-Australian Command (ABDACOM) was formed to co-ordinate Allied forces in South East Asia, under the commander of General Archibald Wavell[11]. On the night of January 1011, 1942, the Japanese attacked Menado[12] in Sulawesi. At about the same moment they attacked Tarakan[13], a major oil extraction centre and port in the north east of Borneo. On February 27, the Allied fleet was defeated in the Battle of the Java Sea[14]. From February 28 to March 1, 1942, Japanese troops landed on four places along the northern coast of Java almost undisturbed[15]. On March 8, the Allied forces in Indonesia surrendered. The colonial army was consigned to detention camps and Indonesian soldiers were released. European civilians were interned once Japanese or Indonesian replacements could be found for senior and technical positions.

So I wonder who censored your Dad's mail in Sep 1941? I suppose the Dutch West Indies was preparing for the Japanese attack. They also wouldn't want strategic information getting to Germany.
Klimmer

Mountain climber
San Diego
Dec 7, 2011 - 10:11pm PT
Figures that Klimmer's GF was a Russian codebreaker.



(they were on our side)



Lol. Do you really think we didn't keep an eye on all of our allies during the great war, and especially even more so today?

And then it turns out right after WW2 they became a foe.


CCCccccccccccoooooooommmmmmm-oooooooooooooooonnnnnnn, geeeeeeeeeeeeeees.

(C'mon, gees)


Get real.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Where are you bound?
Dec 7, 2011 - 10:13pm PT
Common Gees?
Toker Villain

Big Wall climber
Toquerville, Utah
Dec 8, 2011 - 11:41am PT
Yeah, we kept an eye on them, but they did a better job of it.

After the White Sands test Truman got word in Europe that the "gizmo" worked so he decided to tell Stalin.
Trouble was; Stalin already knew!
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Dec 8, 2011 - 11:53am PT
And then it turns out right after WW2 they became a foe.

They were a foe well before the war ended. Had we not met Russia at Berlin the map of Europe would have looked very different after the war...
Reilly

Mountain climber
The Other Monrovia- CA
Dec 8, 2011 - 11:58am PT
On 8 Dec the Secret Service was very concerned that the Japs might kill
Roosevelt on his way to the Capitol for his speech. At that time there was
a law that the government couldn't spend more than $750 on a car so the Pres
had been riding around in a regular old car. The Secret Service decided he
needed a bullet-proof job and the only one they could lay their mitts on
toute de suite was the one Treasury had confiscated from Al Capone for his tax
liability. When Roosevelt got into the car he asked his driver where the new
car had come from. After hearing the answer the ever quick-witted Roosevelt
said, "I hope Al doesn't mind."
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