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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Original Post - Nov 30, 2011 - 09:16pm PT
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It seems about 80% of the climbers I have known are somewhere between a heavy binge drinker and an unconfirmed alcoholic.
Bob Scarpelli quoting another climber (E. Zeechi?) used to say,"You can climb, you can drink (I take it he meant partying in general) and you can eat, but you can not do all three."
Scarpelli has now been on the wagon some six years. He laments,"Boy did I ever spend a lot of money partying."
About two cans of beer can get me sick--I would rather be climbing the next day with a clear head.
Are climbers as a group predisposed to numbing out with alcohol after climbing?
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Mtnmun
Trad climber
Top of the Mountain Mun
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:20pm PT
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Old Vine Zin....and loving it.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired to Appalachia
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:21pm PT
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Agree with DMT
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2011 - 09:22pm PT
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Weld-it,
as a puss my red blood cell to white blood ratio beats just about every boozer.
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apogee
climber
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:23pm PT
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SN Torpedo IPA.
Not my favorite IPA, but it works.
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karodrinker
Trad climber
San Jose, CA
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:24pm PT
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sapporo not a binger, more of a couple beers at night type.
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Gunkie
Trad climber
East Coast US
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:25pm PT
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Water
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:26pm PT
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Orange Powerade.
Yesterday, the sour melon flavor made me puke.
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Reeotch
Trad climber
Kayenta, AZ
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:26pm PT
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I'm enjoying a Red Hook IPA, one of my faves
Hold the aminos . . .
Actually, I think there may be something in beer that aids in recovery. In moderation of course. But I always appreciate beer 100% more after a workout (climbing, mt. biking, weight training for me).
If I don't work out, the beer is just kind of "meh" . . .
You've got to earn it.
And, don't be stupid about it, if you can't stop once you start, you may have a problem.
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Wade Icey
Trad climber
www.alohashirtrescue.com
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:29pm PT
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Fritz
Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:32pm PT
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I just posted to a Hankster thread.
I am not drinking, --- for a while.
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apogee
climber
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:32pm PT
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No Pajuta Sapa for you, Reeotch? (forgive spelling)
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Melissa
Gym climber
berkeley, ca
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:33pm PT
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Decaf Chai as soon as it cools down. 4 hours of work to go....
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klk
Trad climber
cali
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:34pm PT
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most serious climbers of our generation were/are self-medicating in the mountains.
the alcoholism, psychedlics, crank, pharmaceuticals, shoplifting, autotheft, serial relationship avoidance, and even worse supplements are all just additional symptoms.
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donini
Trad climber
Ouray, Colorado
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:35pm PT
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Blueberry smoothie
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Reeotch
Trad climber
Kayenta, AZ
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:35pm PT
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Way too late for that. I need to sleep some too . . .
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StahlBro
Trad climber
San Diego, CA
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:37pm PT
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Stone Ruination
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Ed Hartouni
Trad climber
Livermore, CA
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:39pm PT
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seltzer water...
I have about 3 beers a week... on average... but never more than a couple in a night...
perhaps a glass of wine once every 3 months or so
not much on booze, rare, like once or twice a year
nothing else (my current employer takes a dim view of most everything else, that's cool by me)
no supplements either... you find they actually work? surprising... and Bob is the object of some interesting gossip in that regard too, eh Dingus?!
actually find sleep is a good thing for most healing
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TwistedCrank
climber
Ideeho-dee-do-dah-day boom-chicka-boom-chicka-boom
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:50pm PT
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Perpetuem, HEED, or Recoverite when active.
Coffee when I need to loosen up.
Grapefruit juice when I get a sore throat.
Chocolate milk when I feel the urge to get really crazy and seriously tie one on.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Nov 30, 2011 - 09:52pm PT
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Maker's Mark.
But I like beers more.
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Dingus McGee
Social climber
Laramie
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Topic Author's Reply - Nov 30, 2011 - 10:01pm PT
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Ed,
"Bob", I had to choose some one with experience. And I choose to quote one who rose from the Stix, so to speak.
I have little desire for alcohol and my story is short and uninteresting for this post. Once I carried a small keg to Reese and ended up a little too sick to climb the next day. I wish Mike M of ST and his brother were there then--I wouldn't have had any to drink!
But I do have a curiosity about the drinking phenomena.
Endurox R4 is my only supplement. It was developed and tested by Burke for the US Olympic Cycling team about 10 years ago. He measured cyto photo kinase(CPK) ( a measure of muscle breakdown) after heavy exercise against a control group. He optimized this mix (water soluble protein stimulated with a sugar type cell wall opener). He found that a mix ratio of protein/carb of about 1:3.75 worked best(to reduce CPK when measured four hours after heavy exercise) when the carb was at a glycemic index of 58.
Hardly a supplement? It's protein and sugar at the best ratio for muscle recovery.
ONE CATCH: There is short window of time immediately after heavy exercise, 20-35 minutes, in which R4 will give up to a 35% reduction in CPK.
http://www.poweringmuscles.com/endurox.html
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired to Appalachia
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Nov 30, 2011 - 10:03pm PT
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I can't drink hard liquor.
So for me, it's only beer and Tequila.
Saturday I'll post a photo of me sipping Tequilla on the beach in Honduras.
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Sparky
Trad climber
vagabond movin on
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Nov 30, 2011 - 10:28pm PT
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Stone IPA
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Mike Friedrichs
Sport climber
City of Salt
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Nov 30, 2011 - 10:31pm PT
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In Atlanta for work. Just had a Sweetw#ter 420 IPA. One beer on most days. Rarely more.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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Nov 30, 2011 - 10:31pm PT
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the standard-issue Ardbeg (10 yo), neat (and repeat)
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giegs
climber
Tardistan
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Nov 30, 2011 - 10:40pm PT
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Jim Rye and some Reed's Ginger Ale.
Tasty and easy. No need for more than a couple though. Life is more interesting than a hangover most days.
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strangeday
Trad climber
Brea ca.
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Nov 30, 2011 - 11:00pm PT
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Taps fishhouse Xpa... Moving on to some local brewed beer from bootleggers in Fullerton. I love beer, and have a few almost every night, just not like I used to. I went from super alcoholic, back to beer aficionado again. I think I've finally learned a little moderation in my later years.
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Jbro, are you sure it wasn't the OW that made you puke?
I'm sucking down a Pilsner Urquell right now. I'm going on the wagon tomorrow though. No drinking for a month. I'll save so much money.
Cheers!!!!!!!666!!!111
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mike m
Trad climber
black hills
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Dingus you know telling Pat and I we didn't have to cary a rope meant we were taking all the beer.
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ms55401
Trad climber
minneapolis, mn
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I'm going on the wagon tomorrow though. No drinking for a month. I'll save so much money.
I've been saying that every month for the past year, and it has yet to happen.
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Well Larry, one way or another sour melon Powerade and 5.11 Ow don't mix....
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Boz
Trad climber
Davis, CA
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Addicted to this shit!
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The Larry
climber
Moab, UT
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Well Larry, one way or another sour melon Powerade and 5.11 Ow don't mix....
Heard that. I gave Poweraid up a few years ago. Those OW still keep creeping into my life though.
Heading to Woodies for one last stand.
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stevep
Boulder climber
Salt Lake, UT
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In honor of the holiday season, egg nog and rum.
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Spider Savage
Mountain climber
The shaggy fringe of Los Angeles
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freekin Kangen water
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drunkenmaster
Social climber
santa rosa
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coca cola and cheap vodka :-/
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
bouldering
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I would rather be climbing the next day with a clear head.
Prune juice, coffee and the rest of that stuff - looks more like you'll be super-glued to a toilet seat somewhere, shitting your guts out.
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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7 Deadly Zinns. It's all Fritz's fault.
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired to Appalachia
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I never drank in the mountains. I mean, I never drank much...
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired to Appalachia
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Enjoying the warm rays of the sun on a day of rest
It's not a party until something gets broken!
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Gary
climber
That Long Black Cloud Is Coming Down
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Trader Joe's Wintry Blend
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Powder
Trad climber
SF Bay Area
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Milk... :O
'cuz I'm eating oreo.
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Chaz
Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
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Yukon Jack?
Are you still in high school?
Yukon Jack was the Jaagermeister of the seventies.
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Grampa
Trad climber
Orange County
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diet coke
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Sierra Ledge Rat
Social climber
Retired to Appalachia
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Salva vida, the local beer here in Honduras
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dee ee
Mountain climber
citizen of planet Earth
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Steel Reserve 911 24oz.
Then we decorate the Xmas tree.
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bluering
Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
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Maker's Mark.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
Placerville, California
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no breakfast four cups of coffee chased by sex beers.
,as reality should be.
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ß Î Ø T Ç H
Boulder climber
extraordinaire
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Jan 27, 2014 - 12:40am PT
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Kaopectate.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Jan 27, 2014 - 12:49am PT
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Dale's Pale Ale x 2
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Wayno
Big Wall climber
Seattle, WA
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Jan 27, 2014 - 04:25am PT
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I'm not drinking at this moment because i am midstream on a thirteen-beer piss., and typing on the computer.
Magic.
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Gilroy
Social climber
Bolderado
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Jan 27, 2014 - 09:19am PT
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Finely ground organic Guatemalan beans straight up black but sometimes when everything works just right it tastes like there's sugar in it. Or maybe it's just my sweet girls on the cup that gives me this sensation.
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Jan 27, 2014 - 10:01am PT
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tea at work
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Jaybro
Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
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Jan 27, 2014 - 10:32am PT
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Lime Italian mineral water from whole paycheck
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hobo_dan
Social climber
Minnesota
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Jan 27, 2014 - 10:37am PT
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Bad case of Bronchitis in November--To chase out the last of it I used a mix of hot tea and brandy--Got the last of the crud out and then, like any true hard man, I'd take a nap!
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Jan 27, 2014 - 10:51am PT
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Peet's.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Jan 27, 2014 - 11:14am PT
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Combo of orange spice tea, Golden Monkey tea, dried orange rind and a dash of mulling spices and a small touch of Montana Gold tea.
Susan
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anita514
Gym climber
Great White North
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Jan 27, 2014 - 11:33am PT
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what is this "whole paycheck" people speak of?
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Jan 27, 2014 - 11:51am PT
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chai with 'spresso
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2006/03/is_whole_foods_wholesome.html
It's hard to find fault with Whole Foods, the haute-crunchy supermarket chain that has made a fortune by transforming grocery shopping into a bright and shiny, progressive experience. Indeed, the road to wild profits and cultural cachet has been surprisingly smooth for the supermarket chain. It gets mostly sympathetic coverage in the local and national media and red-carpet treatment from the communities it enters. But does Whole Foods have an Achilles' heel? And more important, does the organic movement itself, whose coattails Whole Foods has ridden to such success, have dark secrets of its own?
Granted, there's plenty that's praiseworthy about Whole Foods. John Mackey, the company's chairman, likes to say, "There's no inherent reason why business cannot be ethical, socially responsible, and profitable." And under the umbrella creed of "sustainability," Whole Foods pays its workers a solid living wage—its lowest earners average $13.15 an hour—with excellent benefits and health care. No executive makes more than 14 times the employee average. (Mackey's salary last year was $342,000.) In January, Whole Foods announced that it had committed to buy a year's supply of power from a wind-power utility in Wyoming.
But even if Whole Foods has a happy staff and nice windmills, is it really as virtuous as it appears to be? Take the produce section, usually located in the geographic center of the shopping floor and the spiritual heart of a Whole Foods outlet. (Every media profile of the company invariably contains a paragraph of fawning produce porn, near-sonnets about "gleaming melons" and "glistening kumquats.") In the produce section of Whole Foods' flagship New York City store at the Time Warner Center, shoppers browse under a big banner that lists "Reasons To Buy Organic." On the banner, the first heading is "Save Energy." The accompanying text explains how organic farmers, who use natural fertilizers like manure and compost, avoid the energy waste involved in the manufacture of synthetic fertilizers. It's a technical point that probably barely registers with most shoppers but contributes to a vague sense of virtue.
Fair enough. But here's another technical point that Whole Foods fails to mention and that highlights what has gone wrong with the organic-food movement in the last couple of decades. Let's say you live in New York City and want to buy a pound of tomatoes in season. Say you can choose between conventionally grown New Jersey tomatoes or organic ones grown in Chile. Of course, the New Jersey tomatoes will be cheaper. They will also almost certainly be fresher, having traveled a fraction of the distance. But which is the more eco-conscious choice? In terms of energy savings, there's no contest: Just think of the fossil fuels expended getting those organic tomatoes from Chile. Which brings us to the question: Setting aside freshness, price, and energy conservation, should a New Yorker just instinctively choose organic, even if the produce comes from Chile? A tough decision, but you can make a self-interested case for the social and economic benefit of going Jersey, especially if you prefer passing fields of tomatoes to fields of condominiums when you tour the Garden State.
Another heading on the Whole Foods banner says "Help the Small Farmer." "Buying organic," it states, "supports the small, family farmers that make up a large percentage of organic food producers." This is semantic sleight of hand. As one small family farmer in Connecticut told me recently, "Almost all the organic food in this country comes out of California. And five or six big California farms dominate the whole industry." There's a widespread misperception in this country—one that organic growers, no matter how giant, happily encourage—that "organic" means "small family farmer." That hasn't been the case for years, certainly not since 1990, when the Department of Agriculture drew up its official guidelines for organic food. Whole Foods knows this well, and so the line about the "small family farmers that make up a large percentage of organic food producers" is sneaky. There are a lot of small, family-run organic farmers, but their share of the organic crop in this country, and of the produce sold at Whole Foods, is minuscule.
A nearby banner at the Time Warner Center Whole Foods proclaims "Our Commitment to the Local Farmer," but this also doesn't hold up to scrutiny. More likely, the burgeoning local-food movement is making Whole Foods uneasy. After all, a multinational chain can't promote a "buy local" philosophy without being self-defeating. When I visited the Time Warner Whole Foods last fall—high season for native fruits and vegetables on the East Coast—only a token amount of local produce was on display. What Whole Foods does do for local farmers is hang glossy pinups throughout the store, what they call "grower profiles," which depict tousled, friendly looking organic farmers standing in front of their crops. This winter, when I dropped by the store, the only local produce for sale was a shelf of upstate apples, but the grower profiles were still up. There was a picture of a sandy-haired organic leek farmer named Dave, from Whately, Mass., above a shelf of conventionally grown yellow onions from Oregon. Another profile showed a guy named Ray Rex munching on an ear of sweet corn he grew on his generations-old, picturesque organic acres. The photograph was pinned above a display of conventionally grown white onions from Mexico.
These profiles may be heartwarming, but they also artfully mislead customers about what they're paying premium prices for. If Whole Foods marketing didn't revolve so much around explicit (as well as subtly suggestive) appeals to food ethics, it'd be easier to forgive some exaggerations and distortions.
Of course, above and beyond social and environmental ethics, and even taste, people buy organic food because they believe that it's better for them. All things being equal, food grown without pesticides is healthier for you. But American populism chafes against the notion of good health for those who can afford it. Charges of elitism—media wags, in otherwise flattering profiles, have called Whole Foods "Whole Paycheck" and "wholesome, healthy for the wholesome, wealthy"—are the only criticism of Whole Foods that seems to have stuck. Which brings us to the newest kid in the organic-food sandbox: Wal-Mart, the world's biggest grocery retailer, has just begun a major program to expand into organic foods. If buying food grown without chemical pesticides and synthetic fertilizers has been elevated to a status-conscious lifestyle choice, it could also be transformed into a bare-bones commodity purchase.
When the Department of Agriculture established the guidelines for organic food in 1990, it blew a huge opportunity. The USDA—under heavy agribusiness lobbying—adopted an abstract set of restrictions for organic agriculture and left "local" out of the formula. What passes for organic farming today has strayed far from what the shaggy utopians who got the movement going back in the '60s and '70s had in mind. But if these pioneers dreamed of revolutionizing the nation's food supply, they surely didn't intend for organic to become a luxury item, a high-end lifestyle choice.
It's likely that neither Wal-Mart nor Whole Foods will do much to encourage local agriculture or small farming, but in an odd twist, Wal-Mart, with its simple "More for Less" credo, might do far more to democratize the nation's food supply than Whole Foods. The organic-food movement is in danger of exacerbating the growing gap between rich and poor in this country by contributing to a two-tiered national food supply, with healthy food for the rich. Could Wal-Mart's populist strategy prove to be more "sustainable"than Whole Foods? Stranger things have happened.
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SCseagoat
Trad climber
Santa Cruz
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Jan 27, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
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I have mixed feelings about Whole Foods. As a shopper their prices are, well as the say, "whole paycheck". And there is a lot of debate as to what really is their quality.
As a Mom, my son worked there for several years during college. They paid him well, accommodated his college class schedule and when he needed extra time to study at finals. Their profit sharing plan was given even to part timers and he could buy into a reasonably priced health plan. They provided free financial planning with a financial counselor. Although he is a sports marketing major they provided him with an internship with an emphasis on marketing. Their employee discount allowed him to buy his food there. When he left to study in Germany they granted him a leave, although it's unlikely he'll return to work there.
So another WF perspective.
Susan
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RyanD
climber
Squamish
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Jan 27, 2014 - 12:53pm PT
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It's way cool to use a re usable whole foods bag as ur rope bag.
I do however fancy their salad bar big time.
Drinking a smoothie: Fresh blueberries, frozen strawberry & mango, kale, red chard, spinach, hemp seed, sea vegetable powder, vegan protein powder & coconut water. Yum. Gonna wreck it all with a big doobie & some bouldering in a few minutes here.
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thebravecowboy
Social climber
Colorado Plateau
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Jan 27, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
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Yes, Ryan, their salad bar is droolworthy.
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Norwegian
Trad climber
dancin on the tip of god's middle finger
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Jan 27, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
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made a thousand bucks over the weekend,
so my wife spoilt me with some good n.a.
from bev mo.
4 months into this tip toe-ish hell,
8 more until i can return to properly f*#king up my life.
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Plaidman
Trad climber
South Slope of Mt. Tabor, Portland, Oregon, USA
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Jan 27, 2014 - 03:18pm PT
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Water
Plaid
And not Plaid water
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Jan
Mountain climber
Colorado, Nepal & Okinawa
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Jan 27, 2014 - 07:01pm PT
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Starbucks Feench roast coffee. It's morning in Japan.
The only problem is their bags of beans are smaller than ours and more expensive.
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adatesman
climber
philadelphia, pa
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Jan 27, 2014 - 07:42pm PT
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Duck-Rabbit Hoppy Bunny ABA (American Black Ale, more properly termed Cascadian Ale or Black IPA). Friend picked me up a case on clearance from her local distributor a couple months back for a whopping $19.95. It usually goes for $40+. Took until now for our schedules to jive to get together, so just trying it now. Quite the complex beer-geek beer, and not surprising it ended up on clearance. Absolutely FANTASTIC, even though it's been bouncing around the trunk of her car since October.
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this just in
climber
north fork
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Jan 27, 2014 - 08:32pm PT
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Lagunitas
say "lah-goo-KNEE-tuss"
IPA
India Pale Ale
The Lagunitas Brewing Company
Petaluma, California
Alc. by Vol. 6.2%
Doggone Good
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this just in
climber
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Jan 27, 2014 - 08:50pm PT
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I knew there was a reason I like you moose! I guess I better have one for you.
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zBrown
Ice climber
Brujo de La Playa
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Jan 27, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
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One Scotch
One Bourbon
One Beer
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Elcapinyoazz
Social climber
Joshua Tree
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Jan 27, 2014 - 10:05pm PT
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Tapwater. Eastern Municipal Water District's finest. Probably fell as rain somewhere near Hank's place...wait, there's that divide thing in the way...maybe over by Ament's then.
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