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apogee

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Oct 20, 2011 - 01:20am PT
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Donald Thompson

Trad climber
Los Angeles,CA
Oct 20, 2011 - 01:26am PT
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LEB

climber
PA
Oct 20, 2011 - 01:51am PT
Moosie,

I posted some info about Native American healthcare which may be of interest to you. It is on the Blitzo thread. I have been traveling to AZ and then setting up my new apartment over the last few days. Got here Monday 10/17/2011 and will be here for 6 months working on the reservation. I had a great 3-1/3 months off and now it is time to get back to work. The apartment they gave me is absolutely fantastic but it is a big job setting it all up.

I see Norton nuked the political thread and Craig started a new one - same ole, same ole. I am off to bed. Seems like just a blink of the eye since I left AZ and now I am back again. I absolutely love this apartment and the complex. Of course, I'd rather be living in simplicity on my farm but if that is not possible (obviously it is not) this place is not too shabby - very high end and upscale. Well I am off to bed. Moving and unpacking is hard work. It took 4 hours just to move in all the boxes - nite - nite
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 20, 2011 - 08:55am PT
i, uh, can't, uh, um, speak, um, for, um, uh, all, um, but, um, uh, uh, uh, mmm, maybe, um, uh, maybe, uh, um, it's uh, um, uh, maybe, um, because, um, uh, barry, uh, barry, um, hasn't, uh, you know, uh, um, uh, hasn't, uh, made, uh, himself, um, uh, perfectly, uh, clear...


http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/20/obamateurism-of-the-day-616/
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Oct 20, 2011 - 09:53am PT
Is that the best you got, b worm?






TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 20, 2011 - 10:29am PT
Yeah, govt isn't big enough, and doesn't spend enough.

By Halloween the debt will be 100% of GDP

Gary

climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
Oct 20, 2011 - 10:46am PT
Yep, thanks GOP! And thanks for pointing out yet another reason that Republicans are wrong, TGT.
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Oct 20, 2011 - 10:48am PT
I didn't have time to anti-protest at the Walnut Creek OWS yesterday, so I just drove by twice yelling "LOVE WALL STREET" and on the second pass "LOVE CORPORATIONS, GREED IS GOOD".

Bwahahahahahaha



The evil one
Jaybro

Social climber
Wolf City, Wyoming
Oct 20, 2011 - 10:53am PT
Is that the best you got, Fatty?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 20, 2011 - 11:25am PT
What's the start date on the chart Garry?

Who was in charge?


apogee

climber
Oct 20, 2011 - 12:18pm PT
Gosh, another chart. How innovative!
Gary

climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
Oct 20, 2011 - 12:38pm PT
What's the start date on the chart Garry?

Another good point, TGT! Say, what did the chart before that date look like, hmmm?
fattrad

Mountain climber
GOP Convention
Oct 20, 2011 - 12:42pm PT
Off to a political dinner tonight, I'll let you know about our plans for global domination.


The evil one
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 20, 2011 - 12:44pm PT
referring to DTs last comment:
Riiiiiight. And Corporations are people too, just like unions.
So the money they save with tax breaks goes to Republican candidates to
buy them off. Gross generalizations are a cheap shot

In this case, DT's generalization is correct, but yours is not. Virtually
(if not entirely) all of the money contributed by unions goes to
Democratic party candidates. Corporations, on the other hand, give to
candidates of both parties. Perhaps you forgot the campaign finance data
from the 2008 election.

And unions most certainly extort their dues in California. My daughter, a
math teacher at a public school with students almost entirely from
disadvantaged families, is required to be a union member as a condition
of her employment. Her union dues pay for much more than collective
bargaining. A rather substantial portion goes to fund advocacy of
educational and economic policies with which she disagrees. I'm sure
she'd get plenty of opposition here for this observation, but she says
that the most gung-ho union members at her school are also the worst
teachers.

Have fun blasting away.

John
apogee

climber
Oct 20, 2011 - 12:49pm PT
John, that's a pretty standard return argument for you-
any time someone makes the 'corporations skew politics' argument,
you return with a 'Unions do it, too' response.

Both entities have waaaaay too much moneyed political influence.
Both are comprised of a bunch of individuals who already have a vote.
Why should they have more influence, just because they group together to create a tyranny of mass?
Gary

climber
Desolation Row, Calif.
Oct 20, 2011 - 12:55pm PT
And the teacher in John's example is part of a democratic organization. If she is displeased that they spend money looking out for her best interests, she can vote to oust the leadership in favor of one to her liking.

Can you do that in a corporation?
apogee

climber
Oct 20, 2011 - 12:57pm PT
Further, Repubs often lament the fact that union dues are directed at
influencing policy & laws in ways that the dues-payer may not support.

Well, buddy, the same thing happens in corporations.
Employees may work for a large mega-corp,
and not agree with the ways they influence politics.

Unions & corporations are not run by consensus or even democratically.
If you don't like the direction, sure,
you can always leave that corporation,
but you can leave that job & the union, too.
That's an unrealistic retort.

Edit: Funny our comments collided, Gary.
I would argue, though, that while there is a voting process in Unions,
the way they are organized in the first place,
making it almost impossible not to join them,
is pretty far from democracy.

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 20, 2011 - 01:10pm PT
Gary,

You can always disinvest in a corporation. She can't disinvest in the union
without losing her job. If she were free to stay out of the union, and just pay the
cost of the union's collective bargaining, that would be different.

And apogee, you're ignoring the difference between unions, which spend all of their money on one party and,
in California, can make you join as a condition of employment, and corporations, that spend their money on both parties and don't force you
to own their stock as a condition of employment.

And frankly, I'm yet to be convinced that the high cost of modern campagning, and the consequent need
to raise money, is at the root of our problems. If we got more than sound bites, the extra speech
would be helpful. It's the fifteen second attention span of much of the electorate that gives us
such poor results.

John
apogee

climber
Oct 20, 2011 - 01:15pm PT
"You can always disinvest in a corporation."

That's as unrealistic an alternative as telling your daughter
she can always leave her job & career if she doesn't like the Union politics.
Rokjox

Trad climber
Boys I'dunno
Oct 20, 2011 - 01:15pm PT
Britain has elections. they also have election limits that keep their system a lot more sensible than ours. AND CHEAPER!

Britain doesn't have hardly any of our problems.

One of their restriction is a limit on how early you can start campaigning.

No two year long election campaign cycles, you can't start airing campaigns until just a couple months before the election is actually held.


How come the miserable little nation we defeated and ran away from has more sense?


ALL of the nations that stayed with the commonwealth seem to be doing better jobs in their election process than we do.


Canada and Australia seem to have some pretty reasonable elections, especially when compared to the American Electoral Circus every two years.
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