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Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 24, 2014 - 06:41am PT
Well Coz one thing we all learned is that you are an hypocrite. For some one who whines and bitches about how much time some people spend on non climbing threads you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time on them. Have you checked your own signal to noise ratio?

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 24, 2014 - 07:21am PT
Ted Nugent's Jailbait Problem
Posted: 02/23/2014 11:10 pm EST Updated: 02/23/2014 11:59 pm EST
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Sexual Abuse Ted Nugent Courtney Love Rick Perry Sarah Palin Politics Ted Nugent Politics Pedophilia Politics News

Another campaign appearance, another Ted Nugent controversy. Mainstream Republicans and everyone to their left are appalled. But no one is surprised. Nugent's incendiary rhetoric (read: infamous idiocy) is, at this point, expected and tiresome. It has become difficult to muster the outrage.

More unfortunate is that these incidents have had the unintended side effect of protecting Nugent from a far bigger character issue. In fact, in the case of Nugent, we have even come to see alleged child sexual abuse as some sort of eccentricity or harmless vice. Can you imagine anyone else who had been accused of having sex with a 12-year-old, written a song about raping a 13-year-old and adopted a 17-year-old so that he could have sex with her going on to campaign alongside all the most conservative "family values" candidates?

When Ted Nugent was 32 years old, he released the song "Jailbait." Here's a taste of the lyrics (written by him):

Well, I don't care if you're just 13

You look too good to be true

I just know that you're probably clean...

Jailbait you look fine, fine, fine...

It's quite alright, I asked your mama

Wait a minute, officer

Don't put those handcuffs on me

Put them on her, and I'll share her with you

The albums' next track is titled "I Am a Predator." I'm not kidding.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not above a really sick joke. In fact, I love them. I even think that pedophile joke in Eternal Sunshine is kinda funny and it's supposed to be bad.

But this one isn't funny -- especially coming from Nugent.

Two years before recording "Jailbait," Ted Nugent had the novel idea of becoming legal guardian to a 17-year-old girl, so that they could have sex without, you know, her parents having legal recourse. They acquiesced. "I guess they figured better Ted Nugent than some drug-infested punk in high school," he told VH1, years later. In the same documentary, he claimed to have had several relationships with young girls, and seems to brag about gaining their parents' approval, too. (Though he didn't go so far as to adopt any of them.)

That sounds... an awful lot like that line in "Jailbait." You know, the one just before he urges the cop to handcuff the girl so they can both rape her. Wrap your mind around that for a moment: the man wrote, recorded and released a semi-autobiographical pedophile joke. And then campaigned with Rick Perry.

Okay, okay. Seventeen is not 13. I'm not going to pretend that it is, or that an adult relationship with a 17-year-old is proof that someone is a hebephile who will have sex with a 13-year-old. It isn't a good sign, but interest in post-pubescent girls is hardly an indicator that someone likes to have sex with pre-pubescent girls. Let's face it: all of your favorite rock stars from days gone by were having sex with underage groupies. And almost every man who isn't a rock star has at least unwittingly fantasized about doing it. (The most common word in porn titles is "teen," and if you think that all of those teens are really of legal age, you are incredibly na´ve.)

Nugent, for his part, described himself to VH1 as "girl addicted." "Recently," his wife writes on her website, "we have discovered four more adult children Ted had from previous relationships."

"Previous relationships." Not, "his long-time hobby of siring groupie bastards." That wouldn't be very "family values."

But we have pretty good reason, even beyond the autobiographical details, to believe that the choice of 13 in "Jailbait" is not entirely comedic exaggeration. For example, Courtney Love claims to have performed oral sex on Nugent when she was 12 and a half. When pressed, an uncharacteristically somber Love elaborated, "I didn't have breasts yet... it's sick." This would have been around the time of Nugent's 29th birthday.

I encourage anyone to listen to that (NSFW) interview. It isn't leveled as some sort of angry allegation. Love comes across as fairly reluctant to reveal her age at the time of the incident. In fact, she seems to feel shame about it. (Which, of course, she should not.)

To be clear: Nugent says that he does not remember the incident with Love. He is not guilty just because he is accused. That is an incredibly serious allegation and, given that recollections are clouded by a haze of three decades and god knows how many drugs, it is to be taken with a grain of salt.

Still, he doesn't say, "Because I wouldn't have had sex with a 12-year-old." He just denies recalling it. That's very disturbing. I've met 30-year-olds who could pass for 15 and 15-year-olds who could pass for 30, but I have never met a 12-year-old girl who could pass for 18. Puberty is pretty key in that regard. Rather than deny that he would have done it, Ted Nugent wrote a semi-autobiographical novelty song about how he'd have liked to. He doesn't seem to see it as a very serious allegation.

Imagine for a moment that Ted Nugent is not widely known as king of the inbred. Imagine, instead, that he is an attorney in Manhattan. Or Bono. Or that, instead of Courtney Love, he was accused of receiving oral sex from a 12-year-old boy. And then recording a song about how he's really into that. After adopting a 17-year-old so he could have sex with her.

Would governors and congressmen hit the campaign trail with that guy? Would they send their children to his "Kamp for Kids" -- and professional snipers? What would they say about almost any other man? They wouldn't call him a creep or a redneck. They'd call him a pedophile.

Instead, Nugent is embraced as some sort of down-home firebrand. He's a redneck rock star; sex with kids is just part of the package! Sarah Palin says that if a candidate "is good enough for Ted Nugent, he is good enough for me!" Congressmen invite him to the State of the Union. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton is attacked (in a fairly convoluted way) for associating with Ronan Farrow.

How can anyone be seen on a campaign stage with a man with this sort of personal history? What is wrong with these people?

So the next time Ted Nugent says something horrible (and there will be a next time,) I encourage you to stay focused on the big picture. You know, the one of that little girl in handcuffs.

Cross-posted at The Good Men Project.

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Feb 24, 2014 - 07:23am PT
dem lawmaker challenges stand your ground, cites cases that have NOTHING to do with stand your ground laws:


but when have libs let facts stand in their way?

Trad climber
Santa Cruz, California
Feb 24, 2014 - 09:13am PT
Dr.F a beer or a tab. While I was actually climbing, he hit the big milestone here. Cheers!

Send info.

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Feb 24, 2014 - 12:44pm PT

Coz = Troll...



Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 24, 2014 - 01:19pm PT
Well Coz I am not angry at the world nor are you my new target.
It's just that you come on to OT threads and denigrate those participating.
You complain about the shabby treatment that the views of the conservative posters receive at the hands of the liberals but then you take your own broad brush and paint the liberal posters with snide derision for their views.
Then usually add "Isn't this a climbing site" as if to say the rest of this nonsense is beneath you.

So if your intent was humor and sarcasm then I'd suggest you try to realize that many of the posters to those threads are also in it for the humor and sarcasm.
Dig in and enjoy or let sleeping dogs sleep.

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 24, 2014 - 07:48pm PT
How about the latest from those Arizona Republicans? They're trying to join Uganda and Russia in the quest for the bottom of the civil rights barrel.

I have no problem with a business owner declining their services to anyone who does not share their religious values, provided that they are then required to decline that service to everyone who doesn't share their values. Most of us don't steal, murder, lie too much and we try to honor our parents, but...

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
Thou shalt not covet.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Selectivity is discrimination, it's all or nothing.


Dr. F.

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 24, 2014 - 08:19pm PT
I do nothing to perpetuate this thread - other than Not delete it
It's a life of it's own.
I get riled up a couple times a month and post a lot while I am doing some office hours, or before dinner after a beer or two.
then other times post infrequently for awhile when my work takes me away from the internets
or just get sick of it and take some time off.

Then after a couple weeks off, I log back on and low and behold, this dang thread is on top still.. without me in any way bumping it.
The other god vs. science thread goes on with out almost any of my input on my part, I post about once a month to it.

You can post to it or not, it's an open forum on this thread

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 24, 2014 - 08:24pm PT
all true

and thank you Craig
Wade Icey

Trad climber
Feb 24, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
Coz, Despite your politics, I find your fluctuating literacy confusing, and, your use, of commas, infuriating, but, entertaining.

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 24, 2014 - 08:37pm PT
Some woul and do say that DrF is a broken record that needs to give it a breask. I say that he is fighting for something so critically important for the future of this country and the Planet that he needs to keep up the good fight.

Carry on Good Doctor.

Ice climber
Pomfert VT
Feb 24, 2014 - 08:46pm PT
Whats so critical. the crazy repug f*#kers are self destructing which is actually a bad thing because too much liberal do good mentality causes it's own problems. the road to hell being paved with good intentions and all. What we realy need is for the repugs to throw out all the nut cases and try to get back to some kind of sane and worthy governing so that we have at least some ballance. problem is that it has gone too far. they went over the edge and I doubt they can come back...

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 24, 2014 - 09:25pm PT
this thread will serve the world zero, it's almost laughable in its discourse and retarded in its direction


yet, oddly, people do post to it.......

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Feb 25, 2014 - 07:17am PT
barrycare priorities: cancer patients? nah...convicts? you bet


winston smith is dead

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Feb 25, 2014 - 07:37am PT
as predicted, libs move to smash capitalist ingenuity and, accidentally, illustrate liberal confusion:


i get and even applaud the "adult establishment" rule, but what's the difference between "medical marijuana" and "recreational marijuana"?...and don't libs believe cigs, unlike marijuana, are actually evil? so why is it ok to sell cookies outside stores that sell cigarettes? or alcohol?

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 25, 2014 - 07:48am PT
bookworm.....you're a genious...!

Feb 25, 2014 - 07:59am PT
Why is that a "lib" issue anyway?

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 25, 2014 - 08:09am PT
Dirtbag...I think booky is pointing out the discriminatory nature of boys not being allowed to join the girl scouts...?

Feb 25, 2014 - 08:15am PT
Yeah that's it.

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 25, 2014 - 08:31am PT
Yes he has been scared for life because he couldn't be an official Girl Scout.
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