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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 2, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
Ron...Light a candle and curse the darkness....
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 2, 2014 - 01:03pm PT
"I had a dream" where NO ONE showed up to vote in the next election.. Wouldnt THAT be a HOOT!
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Feb 2, 2014 - 01:53pm PT

Reince Priebus had basically the same dream.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 2, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
Reince Priebus had basically the same dream.

ha!

ain't that the truth
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Canada
Feb 2, 2014 - 02:08pm PT
What if you held a Republican and no one came ?
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Feb 2, 2014 - 06:50pm PT
you still have a bunch of blue dogs to deal with



Political Corruption and Capitalism

Sunday, 02 February 2014
By Richard D Wolff, Truthout | Op-Ed



Corruption is endemic to the capitalist system and has not been successfully regulated away. Perhaps a system change is warranted?

Nearly daily, mass media report political corruption across the world. Government bureaucrats, from local to national to international, are exposed for having abused their offices for personal gain. That gain is usually financial, but can involve career advancement. Much of that corruption is driven and financed by capitalist enterprises. In that kind of corruption, officials enable tax avoidance, provide subsidies, make purchases and sometimes sales, and decide many other "public" matters (e.g. locating roads, zoning cities, constructing state facilities, repressing strikes, investigating corruption, negotiating international agreements, etc.).

Official decisions are corrupt when they aim (in exchange for personal gain) exclusively or chiefly to benefit individual firms or groups of enterprises rather than any broad social or public purpose. Corruption can be illegal (when prohibitive laws apply) or legal if such laws were repealed or never passed. Political corruption, when not hidden or secret, occurs under a protective cover (or disguise) as if done for public purposes or benefits.

What chiefly drives this sort of political corruption today is capitalism's structure. For many capitalist enterprises, competitive and other pressures exist to increase profits, growth rates, and/or market share. Their boards and top managers seek to find cheaper produced inputs and cheaper labor power, to extract more output from their workers, to sell their outputs at the highest possible prices and to find more profitable technologies. The structure provides them with every incentive of financial gain and/or career security and advancement to behave in those ways. Thus, boards and top managers seek the maximum obtainable assistance of government officials in all these areas and also try to pay the least possible portion of their net revenues as taxes. Boards of directors tap their corporations' profits to corrupt mostly the top echelons of the government bureaucracy, those needed to make advantageous official decisions.

Individual capitalists act to corrupt government officials to serve their enterprise's needs. Grouped into associations, they do likewise for their industries. When organized as a whole (in "chambers of commerce" or "manufacturers alliances," etc.), they corrupt to secure their class interests. When such corruption is not secret, capitalists articulate their demands to corrupted officials as "good for the economy or society as a whole." Such phrases constitute the "appropriate language" that enables officials publicly to disguise and hopefully to legitimate their corrupt acts.

Strict moral codes, regulations and laws have been imposed to prevent individual or grouped capitalists from corrupting government officials. Evidence suggests, however, that neither civic-minded ethics, nor regulations nor laws have come close to ending capitalists' corruption. Countless government courts, commissions, etc., have hardly ended official complicities in that corruption. Mainstream economics mostly proceeds in its analyses and policy prescriptions as if rampant corruption did not exist. Mass media tend to treat capitalist corruption (at least in their home countries) as exceptional and government efforts to stop it as serious. These, too, are further examples of that "appropriate language" with which modern capitalist societies mask systemic corruption.

To reduce corruption from its current high levels requires something more than, and different from, additional laws, commissions, invocations of morality, regulations and so on. It requires basic, structural economic change. Earlier reforms achieved so little success because they ignored the very idea or possibility of such change. They left untouched capitalism's basic incentive structure and capitalists' power to use enterprise profits for corrupt purposes. Capitalists have continued to face all the benefits and gains that corrupted officials can yield (plus the risks and costs of failing to corrupt them). Capitalists have likewise continued to amass ever-larger profits and thus the funds with which to corrupt.

One structural way to reduce corruption would be to democratize enterprises, to reorganize them such that the workers collectively direct the enterprises. Such an economic democratization would render all aspects of the relationship between enterprise and government transparent to all enterprise employees and thereby to a larger public. Hiding and disguising corruption would be much more difficult. Compliance with regulations and laws prohibiting the corruption of officials would likely find at least some support among democratized enterprises' decision makers. Those enterprises would require open discussion and majority decision-making. Minorities could more easily acquire the knowledge needed to criticize and influence decisions and thus to prevent or reduce using enterprises' net revenues to corrupt government officials.

Ending the capitalist organization of enterprises still leaves the problem of incentives for workers - even in workers' self-directed enterprises - to seek to corrupt government officials. The appropriate step to solve that problem would involve making the democratized enterprises and a genuinely democratized politics (of residence-based government at all levels) interdependent. Governmental decisions would need to be ratified by the democratized enterprises affected by those government decisions. Likewise, democratized enterprise decisions would need to be ratified by the affected democratized governmental institutions.

Then any effort by one or a group of workers' self-directed enterprises to obtain corrupt decisions from officials would activate other workers self-directed enterprises - hurt or disadvantaged by those decisions - to object. And their objections would have effective teeth given the power-sharing relationship between enterprises and government. This is a way to interrupt the social irrationality of corruption - whereby one or a group of enterprises gains a corrupt advantage at the expense of others, who are thereby provoked to do likewise, thereby generating systemic corruption. The end-result is - as capitalism's history shows - an economy that best serves those who can most effectively corrupt and be corrupted.

In effect, legislatures would be reconstructed as bi-cameral - but in a new sense. One chamber would be enterprise-based, while the other would be residence-based. The key checks and balances of such a system could reasonably be expected to reduce political corruption relative to anything so far attempted. Such a structural change could well outperform the long list of anticorruption reforms that were so often smokescreens to avoid the basic economic changes needed.



http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/21559-political-corruption-and-capitalism
Nohea

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
Feb 2, 2014 - 07:18pm PT
Wow, that cut/paste showed ignorance not knowledge of capitalism. Where he says...

Individual capitalists act to corrupt government officials to serve their enterprise's needs. Grouped into associations, they do likewise for their industries. When organized as a whole (in "chambers of commerce" or "manufacturers alliances," etc.), they corrupt to secure their class interests. When such corruption is not secret, capitalists articulate their demands to corrupted officials as "good for the economy or society as a whole." Such phrases constitute the "appropriate language" that enables officials publicly to disguise and hopefully to legitimate their corrupt acts.

Uh that's not capitalism, that is cronyism.

There are entrepreneurs and there are political entrepreneurs. That doods answer is more regulation which untold by him is a huge cause of cronyism. You guys read the Jungle right? How many inspectors were already in those meat houses?

Term limits, flat taxes, no bail outs, no subsidies, end the Fed; we need a free market not more crony politicians cuddling up to life long political careers and big biz.

Cheers fellas!
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Feb 2, 2014 - 07:41pm PT
heh

and each of your bullet points is EXACTLY what the most powerful most croniest has on their wish list...

essentials to them tighten their grip and locking the people out

the exact opposite of the empowering the masses you mention in passing as you rush to show off the billionaire jizz on your face your proud of

youd be ashamed
had you a decent bone in your body

or an ounce of perception



rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 2, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
rsin....are trickle down and corporate jizz the same fluid..?
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Feb 2, 2014 - 07:52pm PT
damn nearly...
the difference is the emulsifier

err or,
how much was admixed
check how many think tanks
and publicist firls
handled the copy
before it got sprayed
Nohea

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
Feb 2, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
Quite a disgusting response which informs me of whom I am conversing with.

I made no "bullet points" ru talking about
Term limits? - 12 years ? Cronies want that?

Flat taxes? It's to eliminate deductions to zero, show me a bazionaire who wants zero deductions. (You folks do know how much deductions you get when you make 300,000?

No subsidies: I don't know of a common farmer who gets them, it's all or mostly big biz now so let's cut em.

End the fed: Wall Street loves the Fed, it is their partner. So I want to break that connection.

And I'm a tool of the rich?

How does one define a ....
Fool


Edit: So as to knott bump a pathetic thread.

Flat tax means no other deductions, if the bill makes it less than clear that deductions are allowed then A. It is not a flat tax and B. you can bet its a crony who submitted said bill to ward off one of those evil liberty guys.

Hey wall.....
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Feb 2, 2014 - 08:12pm PT
and yet

not a SINGLE "flat tax" bill aims to eliminate deductions
not a SINGLE bill mentioning subidies addresses their greatest consumers

and the end the fed bills come from knuckle dragging christian killers who want to prevent women from wearing shoes

again

a windfall for the rich
who make their bank keeping the men who own those girls in line

not a single thing you suggest enters into the current lexicon of policy conciderations without first being a windfall profit for the rich and an expansion of their ability to avoid answering for their crimes against the working class

calling you a fool is putting it to nicely

you suck dick

Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Feb 2, 2014 - 08:15pm PT
Holy Shit!!!!

That's f*#king hilarious Rong....


Why did you sign it twice though? Trying to pad the gigantic #'s your pulling in from the Fox Nation you love so much...


2. Rong Glanderson from Merndhearse, NV signed this petition on Jan 19, 2014.

Erm with mer cuzzin, Ron on this one! Dern with big gerbmint! Mer hernesty!
1. Ron Anderson signed this petition on Jan 19, 2014.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 2, 2014 - 09:53pm PT
Geee....can't imagine why no-one seems to be taking your 'petition' seriously, Rong...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 2, 2014 - 10:04pm PT
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 2, 2014 - 10:57pm PT
Reince Priebus had basically the same dream.

Brilliant!


Hey TGT, why are you so challenged with font size?

I pulled out a magnifying glass and see that only about five people on your poster make the Forbes 400 list. Who do the other 395 support?

It's always funny when Republicans try to cite statistics. Now where's that Paul Ryan 14ers thread?...

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 2, 2014 - 11:10pm PT
"Hey TGT, why are you so challenged with font size?"

Or graphics size?

Aren't you supposed to be an engineer-type?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 2, 2014 - 11:12pm PT
well Jingy that was jeebusHbomz here being a smart ass.. I guess he figured it was worth retalition to me by pissing on an actual petition. So NO I DIDNT sign twice. Just got the usual BS from shyt stains around here so commonly spread. You know like yourself for instance.


I actually TRIED to HELP YOU and me. BUT as clearly demonstrated, the pussified American society will NEVER be in agreement.. YOu and other partisan twits will let that party control you from here too death. And you know something,, frankly you get what you deserve.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Feb 2, 2014 - 11:15pm PT
keep the knives sharp jackass
after you bleed out failing the local baron we can use em
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Feb 2, 2014 - 11:18pm PT
Get MAD, Rong....!

Then go do something stupid.

So we can laugh our arses off at your pathetic self.
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