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Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:11pm PT
My buddy just went solar on his farm. He says you have to be an idiot not to. Electric bill went to nada and he's a user.

Score one more for Sol, against the frackers of evil.

And this is at winter solstice mind you. Must suck to live in the rain. It might make you think the whole world is soggy.

DMT
Mimi

climber
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:15pm PT
DMT, kinda like milktoast, eh?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:22pm PT
I have two neighbors who are now running their businesses at zero energy cost and are in fact
selling electricity back to the power grid for extra profit

they both put up a couple of banks of solar panels
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 22, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
Germany is running 80% of their country on solar
They are closing down Nuclear plants
But they are investing in their future

America, under right wing rule of a Republican Congress is going backwards
and will pay more for less energy
and be screwed in the end with no green energy back up, and smothering in our own green house gas emission overdose.
The worst possible outcome of all options....
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 22, 2013 - 07:25pm PT
Oh no Milktoast is well tanned firm and crispy. Bounce a quarter off it...

DMT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Dec 23, 2013 - 05:01pm PT
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 24, 2013 - 12:05am PT
Credit: philo
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Dec 24, 2013 - 07:06am PT
Mimi:
Dr. F, that is crap. Green energy is not economically attractive right now in many areas. Do you think the govmint should force these alternatives right now? The return on the buck is the problem in a struggling economy. You may not buy that argument. I understand.

Mimi, once upon a time, the same was said of electricity. So the govmint embarked on this program of rural electrification.

Was that a failure?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Dec 24, 2013 - 07:18am PT
Giving Tennessee electricity marks one of the great governmental mistakes of the last century.



DMT
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Dec 24, 2013 - 07:19am PT
not "economically attractive" to the investors living off the state tit already layed out!

green energy is the ONLY economically attractive investment WHEN public resources are used in support of public sphere
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 24, 2013 - 08:24am PT
Mimi
Solar Energy is Free!
Wind is Free!

Do you not see the difference?

all you need is a way to capture it,
which is cheaper than building a power plant, miles of electrical wiring, and a pipeline that will deliver your expensive petroleum product

Those in the petroleum business are trying to shut it down, and make it harder to use,
you're argument is their talking points, you have been bought out by them, you're just another right wing tool.

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Dec 24, 2013 - 08:46am PT
So exactly how much does oil cost?



JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 24, 2013 - 11:00am PT
Mimi
Solar Energy is Free!
Wind is Free!

Oh boy, a free lunch!

If solar is free, why does it require subsidies?

If wind is free, why have I represented so many parties in wind farm bankruptcies? Also, wind certainly is not free to birds.

Both technologies have great potential, and we have used both for centuries (although, obviously, not to produce electricity). Without subsidies, however, neither can compete in most places.

And Philo, I've seen that post elsewhere, but I've never seen documentation of its itemization of expenses. Where do they come up with $4,000.00 a year of corporate welfare?

Edit: Excellent point, DMT!

John
Skeptimistic

Mountain climber
La Mancha
Dec 24, 2013 - 11:01am PT
Looks like about the same price as freedom.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Dec 24, 2013 - 11:20am PT
Without subsidies, however, neither can compete in most places.

I'll subsidize yours if you subsidize mine!

Oh wait...we are already doing that.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Dec 24, 2013 - 12:11pm PT

"First known casualty in America's 2013 'War on Xmas' turns out to be a Salvation Army member". A woman attacked a bell ringer in Phoenix, Arizona because she was angry at being wished a "Happy Holidays" instead of honoring Jesus' birth by saying "Merry Christmas". In another act of Christmas violence, unidentified arsonists tried to torch one of the Freedom from Religion Foundation's billboards that proclaimed "Keep Saturn in Saturnalia" a reference to an ancient celebration of the Roman god of agriculture.





http://freethinker.co.uk/2013/12/16/first-known-casualty-in-americas-2013-war-on-xmas-turns-out-to-be-a-salvation-army-member

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2013/12/24-5
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Dec 24, 2013 - 12:14pm PT
Crossing the front lines to the atheist base, one finds a spirit of fun and playfulness seems to have replaced the angry atheist persona of yesteryear. For example, instead of protesting the presence of a nativity scene in the Florida State capitol, an atheist chose to erect a Festivus Pole made from beer cans. This pole was designed to commemorate the infamous holiday popularised by the television show Seinfeld joins other displays in the rotunda including a nativity scene, posters from atheists, and a crudely-made Flying Spaghetti Monster. (A petition to include a similar satanic display was denied.)

According to David Silverman, president, American Atheists, this shift from activism to pluralistic accommodation "sends the clear message that the season is not owned by one religion, but rather everyone, and reinforces the idea that Christianity is one religion of many. While this is correct, ethical, and American, it's a clear defeat for those who prefer the old days of inequality."

Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2013 - 07:42am PT
If we gave the Solar and Wind energies $40 billion in subsidies like we give the Petroleum Companies, the same Companies that make more profits than any other company on the planet,
green energy would be booming.

There is nothing wrong with Gov. subsidies, but they shouldn't be given to the richest lobbyists, they should be given to the struggling companies that will be required for OUR FUTURE.

The Republicans have just cut $40 billion a year in food stamps, but not cut the corporate welfare programs, which tells you how non-Christian they are.
Letting American's go hungry, without jobs, left without hope for any possible future, all so the corporations can stash away more money overseas.
Show me the bible where Jesus says that is a Christian value.

Solar Energy vs. a Natural Gas Power Plant
Building cost $10 million
Cost for fuel
Solar = zero
Natural Gas = $1 million per year.

There are free lunches by the way
Every child gets one every day until they can make it on their own.
and they they provide the free lunches for their children...
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2013 - 07:57am PT
Pope Francis Is Hated By Conservatives, But Americans Approve Of Him By A Landslide

Author: Stephen D. Foster Jr. December 24, 2013 3:09 pm
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/12/24/pope-francis-is-hated-by-conservatives-but-americans-approve-of-him-by-a-landslide/
Credit: Dr. F.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 25, 2013 - 07:59am PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Credit: Dr. F.
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