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rSin

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calif
Nov 27, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
it called learned helplessness
jstan

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Nov 27, 2013 - 04:12pm PT
Has anyone else noticed? Not clicking on this thread costs you nothing?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Nov 27, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
Wait, gutters are stupid?
Are you sure?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 27, 2013 - 08:51pm PT
when liberals point out that productivity has risen greatly while salaries have not, they are talking about fairness in the flow of wealth:

If you work for a living, you should earn a fair salary, that is, you should earn a living wage, which should be enough to guarantee adequate health care. **Pensions are delayed payments of wages for work already done, and taking away pensions is theft.
**
Employment is the purchase of labor by an employer with a negotiated price for the labor.

Since corporations have more power in those negotiations than employees, unions are necessary to help make negotiations fair for the price of labor.

When it is observed that most of the wealth in the past decade has flowed to the one percent, that means that fairness and the most fundamental of American principles have been violated and salaries and public resources have been inadequate and unfairly low.

-Lakoff
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Nov 27, 2013 - 09:48pm PT
Conservative Claims About Minimum Wage Put To The Test After Town Increases It To $15
AUTHOR: NATHANIEL DOWNES NOVEMBER 27, 2013 7:00 PM
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/11/27/seatac-minimum-wage-raised-15/

Diehard right-wingers claim raising the minimum wage drives businesses away. This town raised it to $15, and dares companies to leave their huge airport. Image @ TeaPartyCat.Facebook
The residents of SeaTac, WA — a little hamlet of 27,667 people — are under attack by the Koch Brothers and affiliated right-wing groups, after the results of their last election. The reason why? The town dared to raise its minimum wage to $15 per hour.

SeaTac raises the minimum wage to $15 per hour, yet nobody shuts their doors.
Under the argument given by Koch and company, raising the minimum wage should force all of the local businesses to shut down and leave. But, to date, no one has made any such announcements. They can’t leave, because SeaTac is the home of the Seattle-Tacoma International Airport.

This little town has effectively gone up to these businesses and dared them to move away. They are safe in raising the minimum wage because the airport cannot just grow legs and walk off. Neither can the infrastructure improvements that were performed on the airport. In short, it is a sucker’s bet, and the town will always win.

A dream come true for the middle class, A nightmare for the Koch brothers.
That’s a nightmare scenario for diehard right-wingers in this nation, because it means that society has woken up to their lies after decades of deceit. Jobs like the ones at this huge airport don’t depend on “job creators,” they depend on customers. 33 million passengers pass through SeaTac’s gates every year. This is called a “captive market,” and it’s a fact of life for many industries within the United States.

This means that the businesses won’t go under because of the minimum wage increase. Due to pressure from other businesses immediately outside of the town driving prices down, they won’t be able to raise prices much either. As a result, this big statement from tiny SeaTac will show the truth. Higher minimum wages do not hurt local economies, they help them.

This effort puts a dent in the Koch’s effort to create a neo-feudalist state. They have claimed the term “free market” as a code-word for their own efforts to rig capitalism in their favor. Now that a real market push has happened, they are fighting against it. They don’t want people to understand how the “free market” works, they want people to ignore them while they set themselves up as the Kings of the U.S.

What if the Right Wing is wrong?
If what Conservatives said about the minimum wage was true, they would not be in panic mode. They could just sit back and let the economy of the town collapse. But they’re not, because the opposite is happening. Which tells us precisely how much of a lie it is.

Tapping into this situation, nearby Seattle’s new member of the City Council, Kshama Sawant, has also called to raise Seattle’s minimum wage to $15 per hour as well. However, as a socialist, she has pushed for far more than that. When Boeing discussed moving its 777-X program out of the state unless Washington gives it even more tax incentives, despite having its factory and workforce here, she went on the offensive and uttered the words nobody ever thought U.S. politician would ever say. She called for a seizure of the factory, and worker production of the plane. While some might scoff, the reality is, this can happen. In Argentina, workers did just this, with workers taking over several factories in 2003. Another case had the same thing happen in Greece this year. Even in the United States, factory workers took over the former Republic Windows and Doors factory and ran it themselves.

Neo-feudalism is under attack, and that’s a great thing.
This is the endgame for the neo-Conservative movement, the neo-Feudalists who seek to dismantle the US Constitution and impose absolute dictatorship through inheritance. They have wrapped themselves in the flag while they seek to burn the nation down. They are anti-American, anti-Capitalism, and anti-Democracy. Through their agents of the Tea Party, they will not stop.

For those who seek freedom, and believe in the Constitution and the United States, the move in SeaTac is a victory against the forces of neo-feudalism, and ultimately a victory for us all.

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rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 27, 2013 - 10:39pm PT
it seems the rich take a real long time packing up to leave
Curt

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Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 27, 2013 - 10:43pm PT
Has anyone else noticed? Not clicking on this thread costs you nothing?

http://chanelwood.com/life/morbid-fascination-why/

Curt
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
Nov 27, 2013 - 10:46pm PT
Philo,

Next time you see an ad for a $19.99 oil change, a five-dollar foot-long, or a ten-dollar pizza deal, just remember it doesn't apply to Sea-Tac.

From what I've seen in my off-freeway drives through Sea-Tac, it's not the part of town where people look like they have any extra cash to spend on things like food and car maintenance.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 27, 2013 - 10:49pm PT
you forgot to mention the suck dick...
oh wait... no you didnt

heh...

last year walmart profits wer 17 billion. it used 7 billion to buy back stocks. had it used that to give all its employees a raise, each of them would have made over 6 dollar an hour more

and

walmart wouldnt have had to whine about a "lower than expected" retail market this year...


jghedge

climber
Nov 27, 2013 - 11:09pm PT


"Next time you see an ad for a $19.99 oil change, a five-dollar foot-long, or a ten-dollar pizza deal, just remember it doesn't apply to Sea-Tac."


Because no one there can afford anything else, because they don't get paid enough, because they make min wage.

But again, nothing beyond kindergartner-level thought process is going to register, so why bother




climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 28, 2013 - 07:01am PT
Werner said

Americans are stupid and don't even know how to pick two intelligent candidates.

Instead they pick two stupid candidates who will screw them over every time.

I am going to assume that you realize that America is not a Democracy at the federal level in almost any way. For that matter it is not a democracy much at the lower levels anymore. Perhaps if you live in a small town it might be.

Americans don't pick the candidates. Rich donors pick them. Then after they have stacked our deck we are allowed to vote. Pathetic system. The only important vote is printed on green paper. Demoncrat or Republicon.

Want a real government of the people by the people for the people? Force congress to pass an amendment making it illegal to donate to a candidate or party. Donations could be made to an election process.

If we dont then all the stuff on discussed on this thread is a waste of effort. Nothing is going to get better
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2013 - 08:28am PT
Which rich donor picked Barack Obama to be the President climbski ?

Your logic is overly simplistic.
Sure the rich donors jumped on the bandwagon after Obama was one of the top contenders, but no one was funding before then. Most Democrat voters fund their Candidate to be honest liberals and work for the people, not for special favors, Republicans only work for special favors.

The Democrats have tried to get the money out of politics for years with numerous legislation proposals, all blocked by Republicans.
They are In It For the Money, not Democracy.

How can we get the money out, Vote Out all the Republicans, and that can only be done by voting for Democrats.

Vote for Republicans and you get a stacked conservative Supreme Court that just makes it easier for them to steal elections funded by anonymous donors using dark money to pay for primary challenges, smear campaigns, lies and BS propaganda talking points spewed on every media outlet.

JE thinks that the SCOTUS Citizen United ruling was a good thing, and he can argue in it's favor, if you want another opinion.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Nov 28, 2013 - 08:48am PT
Credit: philo
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 28, 2013 - 08:53am PT
Dr F. I tried to be fairly accurate in how I worded the above post.

We no longer have a democratic republic serving the people.

We DO have a somewhat democratic republic for serving the donors. They do get to vote but even for them the vote is not equal or fair. All of them can vote as much as they wish via donation.

DO not mistake that I think the system is "run" by any one donor or that the candidate with the MOST donations always wins. But almost no candidate can win without massive donations. Thus the politicians must serve the donor class first. Their interests come first. The donor class is not monolithic but their interests in many areas are opposed to the interests of the people. Not always fortunately. Fortunately even the donor class needs some of the same things everyone else needs.

The demoncrats are a bit better than the republicons I will grant you that. I think they have more politicians who would like to actually serve the people.

Unfortunately they cannot serve the people properly due to the need for donations.

It's insane that we allow donations to candidates or parties. INSANE.

An insanity that I do not expect to be cured but hope will be.

Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 28, 2013 - 09:03am PT
We must get the money out, that's the only thing that could help.
Republicans are against it.

Elections could be funded by the public if we had election reform.
Republicans will not let that happen, Democrats are in favor of it.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Nov 28, 2013 - 09:25am PT
Gee what could the Republicans possibly have against campaign finance reform?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 28, 2013 - 09:27am PT
Soooo the GUBBMINT has spent nearly a billion on the ACA "website" which still wont work and as it looks for quite some time in the future now.


MEANWHILE as i suggested long ago, it took three college 20 yr olds exactly 3 days to create a perfect working website to the ACA.


Are we SURE we want gubbmint handling this????
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Nov 28, 2013 - 09:29am PT
Earth to Freaks:

Obama didn't use public financing. He raised his own money. He is still raising it. You all are being taken for a ride.....
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Nov 28, 2013 - 09:41am PT
Ron wrote: Soooo the GUBBMINT has spent nearly a billion on the ACA "website" which still wont work and as it looks for quite some time in the future now.



Drop in the bucket compared to the four trillion spend on the wars and military.

The site seems to working fine in CA & Kentucky.

Even dumbass Boner could sign up quickly in the DOC.

Shouldn't even that hard for you to do Ron.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/21/john-boehner-enroll-obamacare_n_4319933.html
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 28, 2013 - 09:57am PT
Boner SIGNED UP for the ACA,, dont be ridiculous..


But perhaps my point was missed.
The US Govt: 3 years a billion and a non working website.

3 20 yr old college kids: 3 days and a perfectly working website. Cost,, ZERO....
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