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Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2013 - 01:35pm PT

On the just ruled filibuster reform

"You will regret this," warned Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). "You may regret it a lot sooner than you think."


The Senate Minority Leader is threatening the Majority????
what kind of treasonous turd would do that?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 21, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
Everyone in this chamber knows that if the majority chooses to end the filibuster—if they choose to change the rules and put an end to democratic debate—then the fighting and the bitterness and the gridlock will only get worse.

Sen. Barak Obama (2005)

John
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Nov 21, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
Yeah, but now the gridlock is total.

It can't get any worse.

But it's real simple: The number 60 does not appear anywhere in the Constitution.

Doesn't matter who has the majority, it should be a majority vote.

rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 21, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
how the f*#k does reintroducing DEBATE do that mr president?!?!?!
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:00pm PT
Actually, it can, Dave. This move is simply one to widen differences at a time when this country needs moves toward consensus. Sad to say, it is simply one more move in a continuum toward extremism in both parties.

The source of this particular move was an attempt by Obama to add three judges to the least busy appeals court in the country. The sole purpose was to tilt that court, currently evenly balanced between Democrat and Republican nominees, sharply to the left.

When Bush tried to nominate one judge to fill a vacancy in the DC Circuit, Republicans killed the move because the court was not busy enough. The case load of the 11th Circuit is about four times that of the DC Circuit. The Second Circuit has a higher caseload of regulatory cases than the DC Circuit does. There is no reason to add judges to this court except to gain a partisan advantage.

Carl Levin, at least, had enough principles left to vote against this rules change. Two other Democrats, both in "red states" and up for reelection, also voted against it. The rest voted for short term advantage. The Democrats have sown the wind. Let them reap the whirlwind.

John
dirtbag

climber
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
HOWEVER, one has to be aware of a fundamental reality: a massive cutback in defense spending would result in a massive layoff of middle and upper middle class jobs, push unemployment into the stratosphere, create a massive decrease in manufacturing exports, and probably push us into a depression.

Or, direct the money elsewhere.

It's interesting that many conservatives opposed to the stimulus support military spending for that reason.

Go figure.

In 2009 I thought "Stimulus Package" would've been a great name for a porn movie.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:09pm PT
Barry is on TV...



whining about those mean old Republicans...



again.
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:11pm PT
not mean...
manipulative evil bitches


and again,
explain how its an EXTREMISM to allow a presidents nominees to come up for a vote on the floor???

was was the practice for centuries until 2000?!?!?!?!?!?



??????
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:13pm PT
defense spending is the WOREST JOB CREATION expenditure we have on or off the books


NOT funding the war departments christmas list is the best news the american worker has had in a decade
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2013 - 02:17pm PT
This move is simply one to widen differences at a time when this country needs moves toward consensus.
JE

Consensus is Majority rule
The filibuster has been the cause of division

it's a tyrannical power grab by the minority by obstruction
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:19pm PT
Reid "Not Nuclear Enough" in Senate, say Progressives

Democrats in the Senate finally ended their long-held bluff to "reform the filibuster" on Thursday after Majority Leader Harry Reid pushed through a rules change—the so-called "nuclear option"—ending the ability of the minority of Republicans to hold up President Obama's political appointments and judicial.

As The Hill reports:

The Senate voted Thursday to change its rules to prevent the minority party from filibustering any nominations other than nods to the Supreme Court.

The change was approved after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) triggered the “nuclear option,” which allows a change to Senate rules by majority vote.

The 52-48 vote dramatically changes the rules of the Senate and limits the minority party's ability to prevent confirmation of presidential nominees. Sens. Carl Levin (Mich.), Mark Pryor (Ark.) and Joe Manchin (W.Va.) were the only Democrats to vote against Reid's rules change.

It will allow all three of President Obama's nominees to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals to go forward, as well as his nomination of Rep. Mel Watt to lead a housing regulatory agency.

Reid said the change was necessary to get the Senate working again.

“It’s time to change the Senate before this institution becomes obsolete,” Reid said on the Senate floor.

The question that remains, however—even for those who agree that the upper chamber has become severly dysfunctional in the modern era—why now? Or more importantly—for what?

For progressives, the filibuster reform is a move in the right direction but not nearly enough.

"It should be clear to everyone all past and possibly future complaining about not being able to do something because of a filibuster threat is total nonsense." –Jon Walker, FDL


Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
This move is simply one to widen differences at a time when this country needs moves toward consensus.

Well John, it's pretty hard to have "consensus" when one party always says no. As Harry Reid stated earlier today:

"In the history of the Republic, there have been 168 filibusters of executive and judicial nominations. Half of them have occurred during the Obama Administration – during the last four and a half years."

Curt
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
So JE
you don't think Obama should be allowed to fill the courts with his picks, because they are liberal?

Just allow them to remain vacant until a Republican comes along to make them more conservative, is that your ideal.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
Agree that Reid had his hand forced: The Repugs were using obstructionistic maneuvers to block people even they supported. Another gun to the head.

At least we can get judges and appointees confirmed.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:23pm PT
Geee i wonder why..^^^^^^^^
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
Geee i wonder why..^^^^^^^^

Because Republicans are wrong about everything.

Curt
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
because the GOP is offened by the represenative process of government as layed out in the constitution ron...
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
It's interesting that many conservatives opposed to the stimulus support military spending for that reason.

Government borrows money, hires contractors to build bombs used to destroy bridges in Iraq: Patriotism

Government borrows money, hires contractors to build bridges in Minnesota: Socialism




Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:31pm PT
Betcha can't give us a single example.

Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton....
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Nov 21, 2013 - 02:32pm PT
Hey, somebody knows the names of presidents!

How about an example?
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