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TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 1, 2013 - 08:00pm PT


King Barry's Marxist mentor and ghost writer is as big a success as the website.

So far his Memoir has sold less than 500 copies.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2013 - 08:01pm PT
Bernie Sanders, the Republican War on the Poor

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_reE1yR6ls&feature=youtu.be

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 1, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
Crack frostdick...I agree.. they should have fired whoever blew it on getting the web. site up and running...They also should have fired Bush for allowing the 9/11 attacks to take place on American soil...Think of the money we could have spent on national health care if we hadn't invaded Iraq to get those saudi terrorists....
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 1, 2013 - 10:48pm PT
A War on the Poor

By PAUL KRUGMAN

Published: October 31, 2013
NY Times


John Kasich, the Republican governor of Ohio, has done some surprising things lately. First, he did an end run around his state’s Legislature — controlled by his own party — to proceed with the federally funded expansion of Medicaid that is an important piece of Obamacare. Then, defending his action, he let loose on his political allies, declaring, “I’m concerned about the fact there seems to be a war on the poor. That, if you’re poor, somehow you’re shiftless and lazy.”


"It's not only a war on the poor. It's a counter-revolution against the New Deal. ... Wall Street gets billions every month in quantitative easing... . The downtrodden get a kick in the teeth.


Obviously Mr. Kasich isn’t the first to make this observation. But the fact that it’s coming from a Republican in good standing (although maybe not anymore), indeed someone who used to be known as a conservative firebrand, is telling. Republican hostility toward the poor and unfortunate has now reached such a fever pitch that the party doesn’t really stand for anything else — and only willfully blind observers can fail to see that reality.

The big question is why. But, first, let’s talk a bit more about what’s eating the right.

I still sometimes see pundits claiming that the Tea Party movement is basically driven by concerns about budget deficits. That’s delusional. Read the founding rant by Rick Santelli of CNBC: There’s nary a mention of deficits. Instead, it’s a tirade against the possibility that the government might help “losers” avoid foreclosure. Or read transcripts from Rush Limbaugh or other right-wing talk radio hosts. There’s not much about fiscal responsibility, but there’s a lot about how the government is rewarding the lazy and undeserving.

Republicans in leadership positions try to modulate their language a bit, but it’s a matter more of tone than substance. They’re still clearly passionate about making sure that the poor and unlucky get as little help as possible, that — as Representative Paul Ryan, the chairman of the House Budget Committee, put it — the safety net is becoming “a hammock that lulls able-bodied people to lives of dependency and complacency.” And Mr. Ryan’s budget proposals involve savage cuts in safety-net programs such as food stamps and Medicaid.

All of this hostility to the poor has culminated in the truly astonishing refusal of many states to participate in the Medicaid expansion. Bear in mind that the federal government would pay for this expansion, and that the money thus spent would benefit hospitals and the local economy as well as the direct recipients. But a majority of Republican-controlled state governments are, it turns out, willing to pay a large economic and fiscal price in order to ensure that aid doesn’t reach the poor.

The thing is, it wasn’t always this way. Go back for a moment to 1936, when Alf Landon received the Republican nomination for president. In many ways, Landon’s acceptance speech previewed themes taken up by modern conservatives. He lamented the incompleteness of economic recovery and the persistence of high unemployment, and he attributed the economy’s lingering weakness to excessive government intervention and the uncertainty he claimed it created.

But he also said this: “Out of this Depression has come, not only the problem of recovery but also the equally grave problem of caring for the unemployed until recovery is attained. Their relief at all times is a matter of plain duty. We of our Party pledge that this obligation will never be neglected.”

Can you imagine a modern Republican nominee saying such a thing? Not in a party committed to the view that unemployed workers have it too easy, that they’re so coddled by unemployment insurance and food stamps that they have no incentive to go out there and get a job.

So what’s this all about? One reason, the sociologist Daniel Little suggested in a recent essay, is market ideology: If the market is always right, then people who end up poor must deserve to be poor. I’d add that some leading Republicans are, in their minds, acting out adolescent libertarian fantasies. “It’s as if we’re living in an Ayn Rand novel right now,” declared Paul Ryan in 2009.

But there’s also, as Mr. Little says, the stain that won’t go away: race.

In a much-cited recent memo, Democracy Corps, a Democratic-leaning public opinion research organization, reported on the results of focus groups held with members of various Republican factions. They found the Republican base “very conscious of being white in a country that is increasingly minority” — and seeing the social safety net both as something that helps Those People, not people like themselves, and binds the rising nonwhite population to the Democratic Party. And, yes, the Medicaid expansion many states are rejecting would disproportionately have helped poor blacks.

So there is indeed a war on the poor, coinciding with and deepening the pain from a troubled economy. And that war is now the central, defining issue of American politics.
Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
Nov 1, 2013 - 11:07pm PT
How did Democrat Cronyism get so good?
Hats off for this splendid job creating our future.

Credit: Bharata


Nohea

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
Nov 1, 2013 - 11:12pm PT
So you can play a game with Krug's, he is that pathetic, pick a card and go to that paragraph, find the fallacy and you win, but it's a 1 star game and not that difficult.

All of this hostility to the poor


Hostility? Quite the flair for the dramatic and of course, a lie




But there’s also, as Mr. Little says, the stain that won’t go away: race.

Just cuz some sociologist said it, he still sounds like an ignorant bigot

Democracy Corps, a Democratic-leaning public opinion research organization, reported on the results of focus groups held with members of various Republican factions.

Seriously? Who else but sweet baby Krug's would use "a democratic- leaning" report on "various republican factions" as evidence?

Thus for tonight the OP has regained the title. .....

Chief pecker checker f

So respect him yo!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Nov 2, 2013 - 08:51am PT
nohea decried
Hostility? Quite the flair for the dramatic and of course, a lie


Just because you disagree with someone's opinion doesn't mean they are "lying." That being said, you'd have to do something pretty close to lying to describe the "makers vs takers let's cut food stamps so we can lower taxes on the wealthy" attitude of many Republicans as anything other than "hostility towards the poor."
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Nov 2, 2013 - 09:02am PT
I don't know which decade, Huntsman said it, not me
does it Matter???
Why doesn't Romney release his tax records so we can all see what's in there.
We do know he stashed millions offshore, he had consultants work every angle possible for him and his cleints to pay as little tax as possible, and he only paid 14% taxes on the tax years that he did release.

He is worse than scum, and does not compare well to Obama, that's the point.
He is the Republican Party, along with Rush, Cruz, Hannity, Ann Coulter, and millions of other wing nut morons.
That is the choice, Mitt/Rush or Obama.
You took your choice by railing against Obama.

It's amazing how you can back pedal and keep dishing hate at the same time.

Such integrity.
Sketch

Trad climber
Langley, VA
Nov 2, 2013 - 09:05am PT
Crack frostdick...I agree.. they should have fired whoever blew it on getting the web. site up and running...They also should have fired Bush for allowing the 9/11 attacks to take place on American soil...Think of the money we could have spent on national health care if we hadn't invaded Iraq to get those saudi terrorists....

Now that's some impressive critical thinking.
WTF

climber
Nov 2, 2013 - 10:01am PT
Sketch if you are looking for critical thinking here you are in for a long wait.



TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 2, 2013 - 11:52am PT
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Nov 2, 2013 - 12:07pm PT
You know a lot of good folks like Jeff Lowe Have affordable health care insurance now for the first time. My own pre existing conditions will no longer prohibit my opportunity to obtain affordable health care insurance.
If you don't believe the ACA is a step or two in the correct direction particularly for the tens of millions of previously disenfranchised Americans then you must have a heart of stone.

We are talking about the health, welfare and very lives of Americans.
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Nov 2, 2013 - 12:32pm PT


We are talking about the hate, warfare and very lives of Real Americans.

Fixed it.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 2, 2013 - 12:49pm PT
With 3 1/2 years and a $400 Million budget, there is no excuse for this kind of failure. Oh, well maybe one- it was undertaken in the public sector!

This is actually nothing..
It cost my hospital 30 million and a couple years just to implement a computer system for the hospital.
And there are always glitches when you go live.
If you work with computer systems and don't know this then you are incompetent.

400 million? I mean seriously - that's less than ones days killing in the sand over in Iraq.
I didn't hear you bitching then - incompetent fools..


The cost and income redistribution involved in this is an entirely different story.
This is turning out to be a large tax on the middle class or upper middle class.
I was reading Democratic Underground last night and folks who make a half decent living and are posting their cost increases are basically being attacked and told they have had it good for to long.

That is straight up pinko-commie sh#t..

It's a hard pill to swallow to hear somebody who chose pizza delivery, playing video games and smoking weed as a career tell us folks who work our asses off that we need to give back...lol

Not that I have any increases...I get heath care through my job.
But everything I'm seeing is telling me there are huge cost increases involved here for many people.
The large deductible are what's the killer- it's basically a hidden premium as anyone who actually uses health care, everyone, will have to pay out that money.

But I'm seeing lots of costs of 800 to 1000 a month.
And with all kinds of 50 percent copays, huge deductibles, etc.



Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 2, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
So what happens to the climber who does not work?
Say I want to save money up and then take a year off and climb.
I have enough money to live cheap for a year.
Will this person have the IRS in their ass after a few months?
What if they want to go to Asia for three months.

You just can't cancel your insurance and come back anytime you want to use insurance.

So they end up in jail if they don't pay their premiums?
WBraun

climber
Nov 2, 2013 - 12:55pm PT
Americans are sick.

They are unhealthy.

They are slowly dying from their own making of their over industrialized nightmare.

The karmic reaction is the health care nightmare to stay alive from our own stupidity ......
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Nov 2, 2013 - 12:56pm PT
The ACA is not a perfect solution it is just the best compromise possible at the time. The real issue is the greed and corruption inherent in a for profit corporate insurance racket. The ACA is a difficult step in the inevitable progression towards a single payer system.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Nov 2, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
Yes Riley on this we agree 100%.. (Write this on yer calendar lol!)

This new health care system seems bent on creating more working poor than ever. If you were a govt desiring total control of your peeps this is a great start.
WBraun

climber
Nov 2, 2013 - 12:58pm PT
Fukushima will now kill you all with or without your health nightmare .....
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Nov 2, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Braun...You working for Aflac or what...? Fukushima is going to cook your goose so stop with the quacking...
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