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rSin

Trad climber
calif
Oct 22, 2013 - 04:43pm PT
during the clinton shutdown,
12 of the 14 government agencies had already been funded by congress so the money to opperate during it was already in the system,

as opposed to this time

that shutdown was nice and police
not vicious and evil like this one
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Oct 22, 2013 - 05:37pm PT
Ron wrote: I guess you failed to notice the obama admin TRYING to make things difficult for the people during this latest "shutdown".. FAR more aggressive at that than sayyyyy Clinton eh?


Yeah Ron..the same way Obama care has forced employees into more part time work/hours.

You are a dumb ass.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2013 - 08:14am PT
The Obama Administration had No Say on how the Shutdown was handled, contrary to what some idiots might have you think.

There are Standard Operating Procedures for a Government shutdown that are followed if you like them or not, Obama couldn't really say do this or that, it's automatic.

Like Veterans Memorials and Parks, they get shutdown first, because they are non-essential to the National security and other important things that can't be shut down as easily.
So you Right Wingers can just quit your whining, because it's just too hypocritical for us to handle any more.




Who works and who doesn't: the law behind the government shutdown

By Pete Williams, NBC News Justice Correspondent
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/10/20900711-who-works-and-who-doesnt-the-law-behind-the-government-shutdown

With the federal government shutdown well into its second week, the patterns of what functions remain in operation are becoming clear, even though the reasons behind them may not be.

FBI agents and TSA security screeners are on the job, but park rangers are not. Social Security checks are going out, but military death benefits were withheld, until a private charity stepped in.

There is no federal law that automatically determines what stays and what goes during a shutdown. In general, government operations cease because the money runs out when Congress has failed to pass a budget by the start of the fiscal year on Oct. 1. So what explains the exceptions?

As the U.S. debt ceiling looms, some Republicans are said to be considering to accept a short-term debt limit deal. Meanwhile, the president spoke out yesterday, saying the country could be in economic turmoil if it doesn't cover its debts. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.
Advertise | AdChoicesThe answer begins with the Constitution. It provides that "no money shall be drawn from the Treasury but in consequence of appropriations made by law." In other words, no government agency can spend federal money without permission.

Congress went further in 1870 by passing a law, revised repeatedly since, that prevents the government from incurring debts or agreeing to pay money before it's appropriated. Known as the Anti-Deficiency Act, it has its roots in the spending habits of the executive branch in the early days of the Republic.

Government agencies, especially the military, would enter into contracts without already having the money to honor them. Congress, put on the spot, would appropriate the needed funds out of a sense of obligation to keep the nation's commitments. Fed up with the tactic, it passed the act in the wake of the Civil War.

As applied to the current shutdown, the law means that federal personnel can't be called into work, because that would incur a debt. But the law provides an exception for "emergencies involving the safety of human life or the protection of property."


Jason Reed / Reuters

The Lincoln Memorial is pictured in this combination picture after sunset on both September 29, 2013 (top), with dozens of tourists visiting the national monument, and October 1, 2013 (bottom), with just a handful of U.S. Park Police standing together.
So the key to determining who works and who doesn't in a shutdown is deciding which failures to perform government functions would constitute an emergency.

The current version of the Anti-Deficiency Act provides the answer: the law does not authorize "the ongoing, regular functions of government, the suspension of which would not imminently threaten the safety of human life or the protection of property."

The Department of Homeland Security, for example, has determined that keeping the Coast Guard on the job meets the terms of the law, but operating the e-verify system for determining the citizenship of a job applicant does not.

The same reasoning applies to national parks. Keeping them open, the Department of Interior has concluded, is not essential to safeguarding human life or protecting property.

Some decisions by government agencies are easy, some not so much. It's obvious why air traffic controllers and meat inspectors stay on the job. But administration officials say it was a closer call when they decided that the National Instant Criminal Background Check system, or NICS, would remain up and running, allowing the private purchase of firearms to continue during the shutdown.

The FBI's own website on the system provides the apparent answer, describing NICS as "all about saving lives and protecting people from harm -- by not letting guns and explosives fall into the wrong hands."


Alex Wong / Getty Images

A park ranger of the U.S. National Park Service stands behind the barricades at the World War II Memorial during a government shutdown October 1, 2013 in Washington, DC.
Social Security and Medicare benefits keep going for another reason: they're not paid from annual appropriations by Congress, so the legal authority to send those checks doesn't expire at the end of a fiscal year. The Justice Department has determined that the federal employees responsible for printing and mailing the checks can stay on the job, too.

The Anti-Deficiency law is silent on whether employees who continue to work in emergencies must be paid, though Congress has acted to do so during past shutdowns. On Sept. 30, the day before the anticipated shutdown, Congress passed the Pay Our Military Act, providing that military personnel would get their checks on time.

The Obama administration interpreted the law to allow the payment as well of civilian Defense Department employees "whose responsibilities contribute to the morale, well-being, capabilities, and readiness of service members."

Advertise | AdChoicesThat law did not, however, explicitly provide for the payment of death benefits. An administration official said lawyers at both the Defense and Justice Departments concluded that its meaning could not be stretched to authorize them, either.

A Defense Department official, Comptroller Robert Hale, warned on Sept. 27 that if Congress failed to pass a budget, "We would also be required to do some other bad things to our people ... We couldn't immediately pay death gratuities to those who die on active duty during the lapse."

The action by Congress on Thursday to fix that consequence of a shutdown, the "Honoring the Families of Fallen Soldiers Act" was actually an appropriations bill, funding a tiny but symbolically important slice of the entire Defense Department budget.

It passed the House by a vote of 425 to 0. But the Senate, refusing to pass any piecemeal funding bills, declined to act on it. A private charity came to the rescue.

"The Fisher House Foundation will provide the families of the fallen with the benefits they so richly deserve," said Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel.



bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 23, 2013 - 08:19am PT
so part of the problem with barrycare is the requirement that you enter your personal financial information before gaining access to the loudly, repeatedly, vehemently proclaimed LOWER PRICES for health care. well...

oops!


https://data.healthcare.gov/dataset/QHP-Individual-Medical-Landscape/ba45-xusy



the most transparently incompetent administration EVAH!
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 23, 2013 - 08:22am PT
and the band played on...


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505269_162-57608843/healthcare.gov-pricing-feature-can-be-off-the-mark/

Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2013 - 08:45am PT
Credit: Dr. F.


Understanding The History And Purpose Of Fox News

Author: Randy Reynolds August 24, 2013 6:50 pm

You’d think a thing like FOX couldn’t happen in the United States. Although they’re free to be crazy and free to support the Republican Party, you’d think Americans would be too smart to fall for the made-up outrages, dishonest reporting and relentless appeal to our meaner nature. Unfortunately, many Americans are not as smart as we used to assume: a huge swath of Americans (especially elderly white Southerners) believe FOX is just another news media outlet. They aren’t.

What is FOX? Pensitore Review pulled no punches in answering that question back in 2009:

FOX News is indisputably the most popular cable news channel. And yet in 13 years, Fox has never broken a story. That’s okay, because it is not in the news business. It is in the news-shaping business. Its programming is an admixture of right-wing propaganda and fear-porn for feeble-minded paranoiacs, served up by spokesmodels who have no clue what they are reading.

Whew! Could that be true? I report/You decide:

Nixon White House aide Roger Ailes in the 1970′s created fake news stories that favored President Nixon. He shipped these pre-mixed video packages to TV stations around the country at the expense of rightwing extremist Joseph Coors. It was all b.s. all the time, but the TV stations, pretending they had a correspondent in Washington, ran this propaganda as straight news. Now that Ailes runs FOX News, his goals are the same: to spread republicanism by altering the news.

■FOX is a “relentless agenda-driven 24 hour news opinion propaganda delivery system” ~Jon Stewart
■“They’re a Republican brand. They’re an extension of the Republican Party with some exceptions” ~Larry King
■‎”[Fox is] widely viewed as a part of the Republican Party: take their talking points and put them on the air, take their opposition research and put it on the air. And that’s fine. But let’s not pretend they’re a news organization like CNN is.” ~Anita Dunn

There are thousands of examples of FOX not just “leaning” in a particular direction on an issue… but actively changing around the words and meanings of interviews to make them seem to say the opposite of what the person interviewed actually said; of lies about what happened; of incorrect graphics…for example, calling Congressman Mark Foley a Democrat when he got caught in gay chatter with pages and calling Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords a Republican when there was an outpouring of sympathy for her after she got shot.

FOX took a sparsely-attended tea-party rally in Washington and spliced in video of a heavily-attended event of an entirely different nature from months earlier.

FOX has gotten caught using image manipulation software to edit the appearance of people they don’t like to make them appear more sinister.

FOX alters poll results to mislead its viewers; in one case, their massacre of a Rasmussen poll on climate change ended up with a poll number of 120%–mathematically impossible, of course, except in FOX world.

more
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/08/24/understanding-the-history-and-purpose-of-fox-news/
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 23, 2013 - 08:45am PT

"Obamacare" may have it's issues...

Obama may not be the best President of all time...

Whatever!!!...


At least they're TRYING to make things BETTER for the masses as opposed to the "Illuminati"... (LOL!!! I have to admit I love that Illuminati theory)...

JerryA

Mountain climber
Sacramento,CA
Oct 23, 2013 - 09:15am PT
I'm 76 years old ,have always consdered myself a moderate & have often split my vote between parties based upon the candidates . I think that that has become increasingly more difficult because of extreme gerrymanering and elections decided in the primary. If I lived in Californias's Congressional District 4 (Yosemite,Tahoe etc.) which is represented by an idealogue, Tom McClintock (R-Elk Grove) who has never lived or worked in the district and repeatly voted for park shutdown ,I would register as a Republican in order to support a moderate opponent in the primary against his re-election.That is the only way to get rid of him.
jghedge

climber
Oct 23, 2013 - 10:27am PT

" If I lived in Californias's Congressional District 4 (Yosemite,Tahoe etc.) which is represented by an idealogue, Tom McClintock (R-Elk Grove) who has never lived or worked in the district and repeatly voted for park shutdown ,I would register as a Republican in order to support a moderate opponent in the primary against his re-election.That is the only way to get rid of him."


Nobody thought a repub would get voted out of Palm Springs, but we did it, and got rid of Bono-Mack, and replaced her with Raul Ruiz. The right dem candidate, with the current antipathy towards repubs, can pull off an upset. Don't give up. This is CA, you know...
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2013 - 10:27am PT
If you vote for a moderate Republican, he/she will still vote in lockstep with the Leaders of the Party, and if push comes to shove, they Will Vote to Shutdown the Government.
They will also never vote to balance the budget by raising revneu, nor cut the military spending, or single payer, or "on and on blah, blah"
They will just lie about the Dems taking away your freedoms and other BS, while they suck down the treasury and divert it to their cronies and lobbyists.

Every one of the Republicans voted initially to shut it down, there are No Republicans Moderates that can be trusted to do the right thing, and think of their constituents.
You want moderates, they are now called Democrats.

You Have to Vote Out all Republicans, like California did, and now we have the moderates in Charge, and things are finally getting better.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2013 - 10:29am PT
63% disapproval rating of Republicans
40% disapproval rating for Democrats

60/40, looks like it will be a landslide for Dems next year
Thanks Obama
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Oct 23, 2013 - 10:32am PT
The Triumph of the Right
by Robert Reich

Conservative Republicans have lost their fight over the shutdown and debt ceiling, and they probably won’t get major spending cuts in upcoming negotiations over the budget.

But they’re winning the big one: How the nation understands our biggest domestic problem.

They say the biggest problem is the size of government and the budget deficit.

In fact our biggest problem is the decline of the middle class and increasing ranks of the poor, while almost all the economic gains go to the top.

The Labor Department reported Tuesday that only 148,000 jobs were created in September — way down from the average of 207,000 new jobs a month in the first quarter of the year.

Many Americans have stopped looking for work. The official unemployment rate of 7.2 percent reflects only those who are still looking. If the same percentage of Americans were in the workforce today as when Barack Obama took office, today’s unemployment rate would be 10.8 percent.

Meanwhile, 95 percent of the economic gains since the recovery began in 2009 have gone to the top 1 percent. The real median household income continues to drop, and the number of Americans in poverty continues to rise.

So what’s Washington doing about this? Nothing. Instead, it’s back to debating how to cut the federal budget deficit.

The deficit shouldn’t even be an issue because it’s now almost down to the same share of the economy as it’s averaged over the last thirty years.

The triumph of right-wing Republicanism extends further. Failure to reach a budget agreement will restart the so-called “sequester” — automatic, across-the-board spending cuts that were passed in 2011 as a result of Congress’s last failure to agree on a budget.

These automatic cuts get tighter and tighter, year by year — squeezing almost everything the federal government does except for Social Security and Medicare. While about half the cuts come out of the defense budget, much of the rest come out of programs designed to help Americans in need: extended unemployment benefits; supplemental nutrition for women, infants and children; educational funding for schools in poor communities; Head Start; special education for students with learning disabilities; child-care subsidies for working families; heating assistance for poor families. The list goes on.

The biggest debate in Washington over the next few months will be whether to whack the federal budget deficit by cutting future entitlement spending and closing some tax loopholes, or go back to the sequester. Some choice.

The real triumph of the right has come in shaping the national conversation around the size of government and the budget deficit – thereby diverting attention from what’s really going on: the increasing concentration of the nation’s income and wealth at the very top, while most Americans fall further and further behind.

Continuing cuts in the budget deficit – through the sequester or a deficit agreement — will only worsen this by reducing total demand for goods and services and by eliminating programs that hard-pressed Americans depend on.

The President and Democrats should re-frame the national conversation around widening inequality. They could start by demanding an increase in the minimum wage and a larger Earned Income Tax Credit. (The President doesn’t’ even have to wait for Congress to act. He can raise the minimum wage for government contractors through an executive order.)

Framing the central issue around jobs and inequality would make clear why it’s necessary to raise taxes on the wealthy and close tax loopholes (such as “carried interest,” which enables hedge-fund and private-equity managers to treat their taxable income as capital gains).

It would explain why we need to invest more in education – including early-childhood as well as affordable higher education.

This framework would even make the Affordable Care Act more understandable – as a means for helping working families whose jobs are paying less or disappearing altogether, and therefore in constant danger of losing health insurance.

The central issue of our time is the reality of widening inequality of income and wealth. Everything else — the government shutdown, the fight over the debt ceiling, the continuing negotiations over the budget deficit — is a dangerous distraction. The Right’s success in generating this distraction is its greatest, and most insidious, triumph.

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JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 23, 2013 - 10:40am PT
I happened to attend an interview with the new mayor of LA last night.

He was asked about anything that had surprised him. There wasn't much, as he had been in city gov't for 12 years......however, he was surprised at the depth of running away from innovation.

City employees (and I'd extrapolate to ALL gov't employees) tend to make progress in their careers by not sticking out, not rocking the boat, not creating controversy, not failing at anything on your own initiative.

I think he's right. And I think it accounts for much of what is wrong with gov't.

I agree, Ken, but I wish the problem stayed confined to government. As "Dilbert" so humorously illustrates, bureaucratic incompetence does not stay confined to the public sector. I suspect we think of government employees so often in this light because so much of government consists of bureaucracies, straightjacketed by mind-numbing regulations. I admire any employer -- public or private -- that rewards those whose productivity, creativity or effort stand out. I particularly look for those who encourage trying to be the best, rather than merely trying to avoid mistakes.

Too many bureaucracies punish any deviation -- good or bad -- from the norm.

John
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Oct 23, 2013 - 11:34am PT
...You’d think a thing like FOX couldn’t happen in the United States. Although they’re free to be crazy and free to support the Republican Party, you’d think Americans would be too smart to fall for the made-up outrages, dishonest reporting and relentless appeal to our meaner nature. Unfortunately, many Americans are not as smart as we used to assume: a huge swath of Americans (especially elderly white Southerners) believe FOX is just another news media outlet...

Even FOX News contributors are finding out that Obamacare actually works as advertised. Gasp. Whatever will they do now?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/21/was-obamacare-guinea-pig/

Curt
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Oct 23, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Dumb ass Bookworn continues to bash Omaba care...Republicans just don't learn from their mistakes.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 23, 2013 - 12:00pm PT

It often takes a while for people to admit that they were wrong because egos are fragile...

Give it time and I am certain MANY that were opposed will catch on and recognize the good in the change to come...

Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Oct 23, 2013 - 12:09pm PT
Dumb ass Bookworn continues to bash Omaba care...Republicans just don't learn from their mistakes.

Lately Republicans are saying that Obamacare is bad because the website isn't working properly. By that logic, when Amazon.com is down, whatever book you intended to buy there is also bad.

Curt
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 23, 2013 - 01:25pm PT
The ObamaCare Phone lines are working just fine.
All you have to do is call in and sign up.

But no, the cry babies think calling is also too hard, whaaaaa
Credit: Dr. F.

The last desperation of a dying Party, crying about a website not working perfectly on day one.
What a bunch of lame ass losers.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Oct 23, 2013 - 03:32pm PT
Nixon White House aide Roger Ailes in the 1970′s created fake news stories that favored President Nixon. He shipped these pre-mixed video packages to TV stations around the country at the expense of rightwing extremist Joseph Coors. It was all b.s. all the time, but the TV stations, pretending they had a correspondent in Washington, ran this propaganda as straight news. Now that Ailes runs FOX News, his goals are the same: to spread republicanism by altering the news.
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And Bingo was his name.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 23, 2013 - 06:36pm PT


Credit: locker
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