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Binks

climber
Uranus
Oct 18, 2013 - 03:02pm PT
I'm totally fine with free HealthCare for all and you can try to budget for your next bomber and offshore bases but sorry we can't really afford that so no.

ACA does not go even close to far enough. It is a Republican health care plan, not a liberal one. That's the irony here.

dave729

Trad climber
Western America
Oct 18, 2013 - 03:43pm PT
Binks is trolling without bait again. Free healthcare has already failed
and is killing citizens which the president claims is a good thing because it makes the waiting lines look shorter at the clinics.
jstan

climber
Oct 18, 2013 - 03:50pm PT
The venemous flow from the right gets only greater.

Romney’s software system for his presidential run in 2012 was an absolute disaster. We don’t know who financed its construction but there was no mention of Romney’s software incompetence from the Honorable Pat Roberts. Being republican he personally was damaged very directly. Why do we hear from him only now?

One might explain this as being due to republican greed for power taking priority over the country’s welfare. But I would never voice such an opinion of the Grand Old Party.

Having said that however, were I to make an investment now, I would sell the GOP short.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/17/us/politics/sebelius-stands-firm-despite-calls-to-resign.html?_r=0


Sebelius Stands Firm Despite Calls to Resign
By ROBERT PEAR
Published: October 16, 2013

In the last week, Senator Pat Roberts, Republican of Kansas, a longtime friend of the Sebelius family, said she should take responsibility for the technical problems that have thwarted millions of people eager to buy insurance through the federal exchange that opened on Oct. 1. He accused Ms. Sebelius of “gross incompetence,” saying, “We need new leadership.”

Representative John Fleming, Republican of Louisiana, said Ms. Sebelius should resign or be fired. “Taxpayers should not have to tolerate this kind of waste and incompetence,” he said.

But in an interview, Ms. Sebelius’s older brother, Donald D. Gilligan, said, “I don’t think you resign in the middle of a fight.”

Moreover, Mr. Gilligan said: “The fact that people are calling for her head does not surprise her or alarm her particularly. People have been calling for her head for a long time, and it’s still there. I don’t think that fazes her much.”

Mr. Gilligan said Ms. Sebelius was “just digging in on a daily basis and trying to figure out how to fix” the problems that have riddled the insurance exchange.

The secretary’s sister, Ellen M. Gilligan, said, “To my knowledge, she is not going to resign,” despite the “wishful thinking” of some Republicans.

“She serves at the pleasure of the president,” she said. “If the president decides that it is her responsibility and that she is ultimately responsible for the failure of the exchanges, then, of course, she will resign.”

But Ms. Gilligan said that was unlikely.

“The White House is smart enough to know that if she steps aside or they ask her to resign, they will never get anybody else confirmed,” Ms. Gilligan said. “Plus, I don’t think they hold her responsible.”

Discussing the new online insurance market during a visit to Cincinnati on Wednesday, Ms. Sebelius acknowledged the problems with the exchanges, but said that fixes were in the works.

“I am the first to admit that the launch was rockier than we would have liked,” she said. But after two weeks, she added, “there are vast improvements,” and people who were frustrated should “come back” and try again.

Some consumers who did so said they were still unable to log in and shop for insurance on Wednesday.

Mr. Roberts was one of nine Republican senators who voted to confirm Ms. Sebelius in 2009. From 1969 to 1980, he was an aide to her father-in-law, Keith Sebelius, a Republican who represented western Kansas in the United States House of Representatives.

Robert Gibbs, the former White House press secretary, said Monday on MSNBC that the debut of the insurance exchange had been “bungled badly” and had been “excruciatingly embarrassing for the White House and for the Department of Health and Human Services.” After the problems are fixed, he said, “I hope they fire some people.”

But Jay Carney, the current White House press secretary, said Ms. Sebelius had “the full confidence of the president.”

For months, Ms. Sebelius had been projecting optimism and confidence about the exchange, built by her department, with help from dozens of contractors. “I think we’re on target,” she said in a television interview in July, adding, “We are on track to flip the switch on Oct. 1 and say to people come on and sign up.”

A new study by a market research company suggests that traffic on the federal Web site has decreased since Oct. 1 and that relatively few people have signed up for health plans.

The number of visitors to the Web site declined to 4.1 million in the second week, from 9.5 million in the first week, said Matthew A. Pace, a vice president of the company, Millward Brown Digital, a unit of WPP, a holding company for advertising and market research agencies.

In the first week, he said, 196,000 people began to enroll, and 36,000 completed the process. In the second week, he estimated, 368,000 began enrollment, and 47,000 finished the process.

The Obama administration has not yet disclosed enrollment data.

On another note, for a few years I took responsibility on top of my job, for manufacturing test software. You know what I learned? If software is to function without onerous levels of support and frequent failures, the number of hours spent writing the code should be one tenth of the number of hours spent testing it.

Doing this exactly backwards is an unwritten rule.

locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Oct 18, 2013 - 04:06pm PT


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jghedge

climber
Oct 18, 2013 - 04:44pm PT
Here you go, Rong


Inside the Fox News lie machine: I fact-checked Sean Hannity on Obamacare

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_the_fox_news_lie_machine_i_fact_checked_sean_hannity_on_obamacare/


All three couples Hannity had on to testify that the ACA was raising their insurance had, in fact, never even been on their state's respective exchanges to see if it actually was. All 3 were caught lying.

The best one:

"First I spoke with Paul Cox of Leicester, N.C. He and his wife Michelle had lamented to Hannity that because of Obamacare, they can’t grow their construction business and they have kept their employees below a certain number of hours, so that they are part-timers."

"Obamacare has no effect on businesses with 49 employees or less. But in our brief conversation on the phone, Paul revealed that he has only four employees. Why the cutback on his workforce? “Well,” he said, “I haven’t been forced to do so, it’s just that I’ve chosen to do so. I have to deal with increased costs.” What costs? And how, I asked him, is any of it due to Obamacare? There was a long pause, after which he said he’d call me back. He never did."


And, of course, the employee mandate doesn't kick in till 2015, and might well be delayed even further.
jghedge

climber
Oct 18, 2013 - 05:17pm PT

Thanks To Obamacare, Oregon Cut Its Unsinsured Population By 10 Percent Over The Past Two Weeks

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/17/2801311/obamacare-oregon-medicaid/


Over the past two weeks, Oregon has signed up so many low-income residents for health coverage that the state has cut its uninsured population by 10 percent, according to state health officials. The majority of those people are newly eligible for public insurance plans thanks to Obamacare’s expansion of the Medicaid program.

The Oregon Health Plan — which is what the state calls its Medicaid-funded program for poor residents — has enrolled 56,000 new people this month. State officials credit those high numbers to a fast-track enrollment system that allows people to easily sign up. More than 250,000 food stamp recipients in the state received a notice informing them that they’ve become eligible for the Oregon Health Plan, and explaining that they can either make a phone call or fill out a form in order to complete the enrollment process.

Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Oct 18, 2013 - 05:44pm PT
Free healthcare has already failed and is killing citizens..

Can you be more specific? Which of these existing ACA provisions is killing people?

 Children can’t be denied health coverage if they’re sick
 No out-of-pocket costs for preventive services
 No cap on lifetime benefits
 Young adults can stay on their parents’ plan up to age 26
 Seniors’ prescription drug “donut hole” closing
 No out-of-pocket costs for seniors’ preventive Medicare services
 Expanded coverage for early retirees

Thanks.

Curt
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 18, 2013 - 06:53pm PT

How Republicans Fit The Classic Profile Of An Abuser


Author: Julie Driscoll October 16, 2013 9:01 pm
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/16/republicans-abusers/



As a victim of domestic violence, I learned a lot about the abusive personality. When it was over, and I was out, I became a domestic violence hotline counselor. The classes I took to train me for this job taught me two things: One, abusers aren’t psychotic, but instead have character disorders; and two, abusive behavior isn’t uncontrollable – it’s a learned social behavior.

Enter stage left, Republicans and what used to be their “fringe” faction, the tea baggers. The “fringe” faction, though, has of late become “non-fringe” enough to take over the House, lead John Boehner around by the nose, shut down the federal government and gleefully high-five each other as our country teeters on the edge of default – all, ostensibly, to wage war against Obamacare, a law that was passed by the House and Senate, signed by the President, upheld by the Supreme Court and that has withstood 42 Republican-driven repeal attempts.

Like abusers, Republicans always make things someone else’s fault.

The behavior of Republicans – most recently around their government shutdown, and as they dig in their heels and rationalize – by making it someone else’s fault – driving the country into default, it reminds me vividly of the abusive personality that I engaged with daily, for years, until my divorce. No compromise was ever allowed, it was his way or his other way. He never talked about the many ways in which he was wrong, it was “look what you made me do.” In his mind, the only one whose behavior needed changing was mine. Any abusive behavior of his was justified because, in his warped thinking, I provoked him. He used bullying, fear tactics, threats and intimidation to get his way. In the end, although never abusive to them directly, he used my kids as pawns in his abusive game. He refused to share responsibility in any part of our relationship breakdown. I owned it, lock, stock and barrel.

Like abusers, Republicans do not negotiate in good faith.



If you break it down, how different is the behavior of a classic abuser than the behavior we are now seeing within the Republican Party, most notably, and startlingly, the tea baggers, beginning with the mastermind of the Republican government shutdown, Ted Cruz, and moving on through the ranks of Mike Lee and Michele Bachmann and Paul Ryan and Louie Gohmert, and about 30 others? As a domestic violence survivor, I know that the President and Harry Reid are utterly correct to hold the line at negotiation. Abusers – such as the House tea baggers, along with John Boehner, their puppet – do not negotiate in good faith. Regardless of what “deals” they offer up today, they will renege when it comes time to uphold their end of the bargain. When Republicans say they want a short-term “deal” to re-open the government and avoid a default, I know what that means: Just as abusive personalities are generally incapable of rehabilitation, neither are Republicans. Rehabilitation implies that there is a point of normalcy in the past to which one can return. I have yet to see that point for Republicans; they’re beyond redemption. A year ago, Paul Krugman aptly pointed out that the debt ceiling debacle demonstrates that “raw extortion works and carries no political cost,” and that “irresponsible brinksmanship” is now “a proven effective negotiating tactic.” Mr. Krugman, meet your classic abuser.

Like abusers, Republicans must win at all costs.

An abusive personality really doesn’t care who is caught in the crossfire. His desire for control, his low self-esteem and irrational, desperate need to be the winner at any cost trumps any scrap of humanity. Despite the fact that Republicans raised the debt ceiling more than 25 times under Republican presidents (and five times, without batting an eye, under Bush), their classically abusive personalities have risen to the fore under this President. At any cost, regardless of any harm to others, they will win. So what if the U.S. defaults? According to some Republicans, for the President to allow a default would be an “impeachable offense;” on the other hand, if the President were to invoke the 14th Amendment and direct the Treasury to pay its bills regardless of the House’s inactivity, that, too, in the minds of Republicans, would no doubt rise to the level of an impeachable offense. As in all abusive relationships, it’s a Catch 22. Listening to the screaming rage of Republicans, it’s clear that no cost is too great to make President Obama look bad. If the measures Republicans implement increase the chance that this President’s success story will be on pause, they’ll make a pact with any devil. So what if their newly-discovered “fiscal conservatism” trashes a still fragile economy, tanking the markets, and driving unemployment numbers up? If that’s what’s required to be the victors in the game of chicken they’ve been playing with our lives, that’s what they’ll do. Their lack of humanity, and lack of a moral center, is truly breathtaking.

Like abusers, Republicans will invalidate you.

I remember, during the days when I was on the receiving end of such bullying tactics, how my heart would pound and adrenaline would flow, how my stomach would knot up. I’ve felt that way any number of times during these past terrible weeks as progressives have fought for a toehold in the battle of integrity against a foe who has none. My gut has kept score. A classic abusive personality generally uses sexually derogatory slurs against his victim, but in this case, Republicans continue to press the case that this President is not legitimate. Their use of coded and un-coded racial slurs against our President are not dissimilar to the derogatory terms like “slut” and “whore” that classic abusers use to refer to their women; it’s how they engage. And it is, sadly, how the Republicans have engaged politically ever since President Obama was elected, and continue to engage.

Like abusers, Republicans will grind you down.

When you deal with an abusive personality, day after day, it grinds you down. Exhaustion takes over, mental fatigue weakens your facilities, hopelessness, fear and despair reduce your ability to fight. Sometimes, giving in to ridiculous demands is a relief. It stops the emotional, mental, and physical pain, even if only briefly. You think of leaving, but resist because on some level you know that your very life could be in danger if you do. Of course such fear is not misplaced; most women are killed at the point they are attempting to leave their abuser. And so, as goes domestic violence, so goes the Republican tactics. For every sane, rational plan put forward by Democrats the Republicans up the insane, irrational ante by demanding such things as the repeal or defunding of Obamacare, a “conscience clause” for the dispensing of birth control, the repeal of taxes that fund Obamacare, and even more stringent and austere financial cuts to an already stripped-to-the-bone federal budget.

Republicans – astoundingly, even Republicans who were exultant about the power they were able to wield by shutting down the government in the first place – now refuse to take responsibility for the current crisis, and instead claim that President Obama is responsible because he’s refused to negotiate with a gun to his head. And although Democrats, like every victim of bullying and abuse, know on some level that a refusal to comply will mean pain and suffering for many, if not all, Americans, they, finally, refused to comply. In the face of an abusive entity standing with a threatening stance in the doorway, walking through it is perilous. As we’ve seen, when abusers are thwarted, the danger is great; we hear, see and feel their howls of rage.

Like an abuser, Republicans don’t care who they hurt.

I understand that emotion; I lived it for far too long. The Republicans have bullied, threatened and extorted for a very long time. And they get away with it because they have something the Democrats will never have: A callous disregard for anyone standing between them and a win. An abuser will knock a child out of the way in a rage, to reach the object of his obsessive fury. Republicans will knock this country out of the way in that same towering rage, carelessly tossing aside Americans, blaming others for their behavior, refusing to take responsibility for the current state, and never, ever compromising. Just as an abused woman puts her life in danger when she tries to leave, the Democrats know that they’ll put this country at great risk if they set their own requirements and firmly stand their ground. But abused women do find the courage to leave, and the Democrats have found the courage to lead.

The thing about being an abuse victim, though – if you’re basically strong – is that the day comes when you fight back. The day comes when you pick up a Louisville Slugger and look him in the eye and dare him to take one more step in your direction. It’s an empowering moment when you realize that bullies can feel fear, that abusers can be dissuaded, that you don’t have to fear walking through that doorway. You realize that you have little to lose by asserting yourself. I’m confident that this day has, finally, come for our country, for Democrats, for all progressives. This is the day when we look the Republicans in the eye, brandish our symbolic Louisville Sluggers and say, “No more.” Domestic violence organizations have engaged the services of big, burly private detectives or cops to accompany women to court to face their abusers. It’s interesting, but the one thing abusers seem to respond to is the prospect of being harmed themselves. When faced with a threat, they back down.

Now, it’s time to call their bluff.

Our threat, the greatest weapon we have at our disposal, is stripping Republicans of the one thing they value most: Power and control. In the next election, the tea baggers must be voted out. In 2014, we must re-gain the House. In 2014, we must send a clear message that abuse will not be tolerated, thuggery will not be accepted, and that we will call their every bluff. Our power is in the strength of our integrity and our ability to scream bloody murder when we’re threatened by forces that we know have no interest in our well-being. Abusers say they love us, just as Republicans say they love this country. Republicans say that their behavior is justified to save America from the evil scourge of liberals and the devil that is Obamacare, just as abusive men claim their behavior is justified to save themselves from a conniving bitch. The cycle of violence is clear: Whatever it takes to drive her away, followed by everything it takes to win her back. We as progressives are required, even obligated, to stop the cycle of Republican violence against Americans. We will stop it with the power in our numbers, with with the power of our votes, with the power of our loud voices.

In the movie, “The Burning Bed,” the female protagonist played by Farah Fawcett poured gasoline on the bed and lit it on fire; killing her abusive husband. When it comes to Republican policies, Republican hypocrisy, and their carelessness with our lives, I’m prepared to light the match.
khanom

Trad climber
Greeley Hill
Oct 18, 2013 - 07:57pm PT
For the first time in years I'm going to have actual real live healthcare through Medi-Cal.

The prospect of not having to wonder if I'm going to go broke or die should I injure myself while working my ass off to feed hundreds of families is making me positively giddy.

The possibility of having preventative care... well that's almost too much for my little brain to handle.


You opponents of the ACA can suck it!
Pepe Le Poseur

Social climber
Parts North
Oct 18, 2013 - 09:51pm PT
Regardless of your feelings or affiliations in the whole shutdown debacle, one must admit that it is hard to imagine that the KGB in its best day, or Putin himself ever coming up with a more effective method of discrediting the country and diminishing our world standing and influence than our own TEA party "Patriots".

Regardless of whatever merit some of their positions may have,(and I believe in some of them) it is the appalling lack of tactical or strategic vision coupled with utter incompetence and ineffectiveness, all magnified by an astounding ignorance worn as a badge.

This is what gives me the willies for the future.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Oct 18, 2013 - 10:14pm PT
"For the first time in years I'm going to have actual real live healthcare through Medi-Cal.

The prospect of not having to wonder if I'm going to go broke or die should I injure myself while working my ass off to feed hundreds of families is making me positively giddy."

That is what scares the dumb ass republicans...it is going to work and it is going to help people in need, just like SS and Medicare.

rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 18, 2013 - 10:18pm PT
I have to laugh at the Republicans for wanting Sebelius head on a platter...The web site is over-loaded which means that the ACA , contrary to what the neo-cons want America to believe, is working ... Why , after the government shut down , that cost our economy 24 billion dollars , aren't these same as#@&%e neo-cons asking for the tea-party congress members heads...?
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Oct 18, 2013 - 10:38pm PT
Buck up, little campers -- your health and life are now in the hands in the very best and brightest of the Federal Government Bureaucracy, a field of employment known for attracting go-getters, self-starters, high-achievers, and honest brokers.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Oct 18, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
That's right TGT...The most powerful country in the world and the richest...America,,,,Land of the free and brave....Why do you c*#k sucking Repiblicans keep trying to drag our country down...? Go live in Iraq or mexico you stupid f*#king moron...RJ
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Oct 18, 2013 - 11:10pm PT
I have a friend who declared bankruptcy after both he and his wife had extended bouts with cancer. He was a successful lawyer and his wife was a schoolteacher.

They both maxed out what their health insurance policies would cover, and used their considerable assets to pay more healthcare expenses, until she died and he finally was broke.

I have another friend who has paid for a high-deductable health-care insurance policy for 20 years. He never even came close to meeting the deductable until this year, when he was diagnosed with cancer. After running up more than $80,000.00 in health-care costs in a few months, the insurance company informed him their maximum yearly payout on his cancer expenses was $20,000.00.

He is now trying to hang on and pay his health-care bills vs declaring bankruptcy.

I’m sure everyone here knows similar stories about how our insurance system has ruined hard-working people’s lives with their BS rules to screw the sick and make their corporations more money.

That is now changed!

And I think it is wonderful.

Who wouldn’t?
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Oct 18, 2013 - 11:13pm PT
I have to laugh at the Republicans for wanting Sebelius head on a platter...The web site is over-loaded which means that the ACA , contrary to what the neo-cons want America to believe, is working...

While I'm a huge supporter of the ACA and even single-payer healthcare, that's BS. The healthcare.gov website is truly and seriously f*#kked up. Overloading has little if anything to do with it. I hope they get it fixed ASAP.

Curt
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Oct 18, 2013 - 11:47pm PT
Fritz wrote: That is now changed!

And I think it is wonderful.

Who wouldn’t?


Dumb-f*#k Ron and TGT to name a few.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Oct 19, 2013 - 03:16am PT
"The healthcare.gov website is truly and seriously f*#kked up."

It's true, and an embarrassing reality to have to defend against moronic detractors who have nothing better to offer.

Still, trying to manage & organize the amount of information there is truly staggering...it's not like selling widgets on Amazon or Ebay. For now, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that it will improve over time...with the secret aspiration that it will one day build to what it should have been in the first place: a single payer system.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 19, 2013 - 03:33am PT
bolting bobda,, shouldnt you be out replacing anchors er sumpn?
Tarzan

Trad climber
Vegas
Oct 19, 2013 - 04:02am PT
Why does Nancy Pelose have such weird body language. Watched her statements about how she had no idea that Mitch McConnel got some special deal thrown into the last 'Clean Bill' and she was on something really strong and it didn't look like it was her first time! What a Bitch
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