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nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Oct 9, 2013 - 10:02am PT
http://www.forwardprogressives.com/breaking-reports-confirm-there-are-enough-votes-to-reopen-government-boehner-still-blocking-vote/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 9, 2013 - 10:03am PT
Frankly i wish ALL dems and repubs in washington would expire from a mass heart attack TODAY. Fukk em.. They want to play ping pong as America hurts then send em to hell in a hand basket. A gut full has been reached and then some. Ive written my reps with this exact same message. Not ONE incumbent should be voted for ,, NOT ONE.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Oct 9, 2013 - 10:05am PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/10/07/republican-disapproval-grows-in-budget-battle-post-abc-poll-finds/


Most intelligent people know the cause of the shutdown and then there are republicans.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Oct 9, 2013 - 10:07am PT
Paul Ryan, once darling of the Tea Party, wrote an op-ed for the WSJ where he tries to be the voice of conservative reason:

Paul Ryan: Here's How We Can End This Stalemate
Both Reagan and Clinton negotiated debt-ceiling deals with their opponents. We're ready to negotiate.

In it he argues for major structural reforms to entitlements in exchange for a debt ceiling increase and CR.

He was immediately thrown on the BBQ for violating the current shutdown orthodoxy and omitting an appropriate level of Obamacare doomsdayism in his op-ed:

Conservatives Furious That Ryan Didn't Address Obamacare In Debt Proposals
rSin

Trad climber
calif
Oct 9, 2013 - 10:15am PT
ya but,
hasnt the austerity measure obama has agreed to

effectively implimented the paul ryan budgets?

theyve already got their compromise
and now they want to tell us that being reasonable
is kicking the other guy when hes down...





whats amusing is that the democrats here are trying to get back to just burning the garage and kitchen down...


ya, thats not compromising i guess
jghedge

climber
Oct 9, 2013 - 10:38am PT

Repubs will lose at least 30 seats in the House in 2014, and we'll get back to the 60 seat majority we had in the Senate, if not more. And that's if the shutdown ends today, and there's no default.

Fairly obvious now that repubs know their party is doomed, and that they want to take the country down with them. Won't work - in fact they're just making the dems stronger.




Repubs Have Failed.




Ikat

Social climber
Carson City
Oct 9, 2013 - 10:44am PT
John Boehner = SINO (Speaker In Name Only)

bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Oct 9, 2013 - 10:48am PT
americans increasingly more conservative, says...the washington post?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2013/10/09/the-conservative-shift-in-public-opinion-has-happened-in-all-50-states/


oh, and, about those homophobic conservatives? just another lib fallacy
jghedge

climber
Oct 9, 2013 - 10:49am PT

Well-known conservative columnist John Podhoretz:


http://nypost.com/2013/10/08/suicide-of-the-right/


Every piece of evidence we have so far on the government shutdown shows the public is blaming Republicans most of all for the standoff. On Monday, an ABC poll showed 71 percent fault the GOP; 61 percent fault Congressional Democrats; 51 percent fault President Obama.

Yes, Democrats look bad. Yes, Obama is probably doing himself no favors by saying he won’t negotiate when the public wants politicians in Washington to work together.
But Republicans look considerably worse. And for the Right, the Republican Party is the only game in town.

This is what my fellow conservatives who are acting as the enablers for irresponsible GOP politicians seem not to understand. They like this fight, because they think they’re helping to hold the line on ObamaCare and government spending. They think that they’re supported by a vast silent majority of Americans who dislike what they dislike and want what they want.

I dislike what they dislike. I want what they want. But I fear they are very, very wrong about the existence of this silent majority, and that their misperception is leading them to do significant damage to the already damaged Republican “brand.” (Forgive me for making use of that horribly overused term, but it’s the only one that fits.)

The belief that the public is with them is based on two data points: First, twice as many people say they’re conservative as say they are liberal. And second, ObamaCare is viewed unfavorably by a majority of the American people.

Both are true.

But it has been true for more than 20 years that Americans are twice as likely to call themselves conservative — and in that time Republicans have lost the popular vote in five out of six national elections. The statistic tells us little about how Americans vote or what they vote for.

And it is true that, according to Real Clear Politics, Americans disapprove of ObamaCare, 51 percent to 40 percent. It is unpopular. But it is not wildly, devastatingly unpopular — though given the fact that it is now rolling out and appears to be as incompetently executed as it was badly conceived, it may yet become so.

If ObamaCare had been as unpopular as conservatives believed, their plan for the shutdown — that there would be a public uprising to force Democratic senators in close races in 2014 to defund it — would’ve worked. It didn’t. Not a single senator budged.

Their tactic failed, and now what they are left with is House Speaker John Boehner basically begging the president of the United States to negotiate with him.

One thing we know for sure is that it’s not an equal fight, this fight between a man who received 65 million votes nationwide and a man who received 246,000 votes in one congressional district in Ohio.

Meanwhile, Boehner is basically the face of the US Congress in the eyes of the public. John Boehner is also the effective head of the Republican Party. And the US Congress is viewed favorably by . . . 11 percent of Americans.

Eleven percent.

When I interact with these conservatives, they say they don’t care about the GOP; what they care about are conservative ideas.

They’re right not to assign special glory or power to a political organization and to hold ideas above party. But here’s the condundrum: There is only one electoral vehicle for conservative ideas in the United States — the Republican Party.

It’s one thing to refuse to waste your time buffing and polishing the vehicle so that it looks nice and pretty; that’s what political hacks do, and ideologues have every right to disdain such frippery.
But if, in the guise of making the vehicle function better, you muck up the engine, smash the windshield, put the wrong tires on it and pour antifreeze in the gas tank, you are impeding its forward movement. You’re ruining it, not repairing it.

It may not have been a very good vehicle in the first place, and you may think it couldn’t drive worse, but oh man, could it ever. And it’s the only one you’ve got.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 9, 2013 - 10:51am PT
On Monday, an ABC poll showed 71 percent fault the GOP; 61 percent fault Congressional Democrats; 51 percent fault President Obama.

To repeat Jay Leno's joke, that adds up to 183%. No wonder the US has a debt problem!

John
jghedge

climber
Oct 9, 2013 - 10:54am PT

"the Dems won't take the House until 2018, with a SLIM chance at 2016"


Some pretty interesting stats from pollsters who've been accurate

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/08/republicans-could-lose-their-house-majority-because-of-the-shutdown/


I doubt that all the gerrymandered districts will be immune to the current 11% congressional approval rating - and there's plenty of non-gerrymandered seats currently in repub hands.
dirtbag

climber
Oct 9, 2013 - 10:54am PT
Well John, 95% of all statistics are made up, and 90% of all constipated people couldn't give a sh#t.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 9, 2013 - 10:56am PT
have they polled ALL 57 states?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Oct 9, 2013 - 11:21am PT
bookworm queried
americans increasingly more conservative, says...the washington post?

There has been a steady march to the right for the last 35 years, how is this news? We have currently have a center-right party controlled by moderates and a far-right party lead by the center-right but being held hostage by the wing-nut right. Look at the "socialist" offerings from the Democrats: cap and trade, universal healthcare through a private insurance mandate and business oriented immigration policy. All were policies penned by conservatives in the 90's.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Oct 9, 2013 - 11:32am PT
Good one, Dirtbag!

John
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Oct 9, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
Oct 9, 2013 - 12:43pm PT
Credit: Bharata

Commader In Chief Withholding Death Benefits for Fallen Soldiers' Families.
Saying basically "Let 'em starve".

With Obama's recent startling admission that he won't approve
any measures
to partially restore suspended government payments for
purely political reasons,
that puts the blame for this outrage squarely
on his shoulders.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/10/08/Pentagon-Confirms-Obama-s-Obstinence-Withholding-Death-Benefits-for-Fallen-Soldiers-Families


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Oct 9, 2013 - 12:57pm PT
Who Shut Down the Government?
10/4/2013 12:01:00 AM - Thomas Sowell
Even when it comes to something as basic, and apparently as simple and straightforward, as the question of who shut down the federal government, there are diametrically opposite answers, depending on whether you talk to Democrats or to Republicans.
There is really nothing complicated about the facts. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going -- except for ObamaCare.
This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.
As for the House of Representatives' right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity.
Whether Obamacare is good, bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion. But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion.
ObamaCare is indeed "the law of the land," as its supporters keep saying, and the Supreme Court has upheld its Constitutionality.
But the whole point of having a division of powers within the federal government is that each branch can decide independently what it wants to do or not do, regardless of what the other branches do, when exercising the powers specifically granted to that branch by the Constitution.
The hundreds of thousands of government workers who have been laid off are not idle because the House of Representatives did not vote enough money to pay their salaries or the other expenses of their agencies -- unless they are in an agency that would administer ObamaCare.
Since we cannot read minds, we cannot say who -- if anybody -- "wants to shut down the government." But we do know who had the option to keep the government running and chose not to. The money voted by the House of Representatives covered everything that the government does, except for ObamaCare.
The Senate chose not to vote to authorize that money to be spent, because it did not include money for ObamaCare. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says that he wants a "clean" bill from the House of Representatives, and some in the media keep repeating the word "clean" like a mantra. But what is unclean about not giving Harry Reid everything he wants?
If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility.
You cannot blame other people for not giving you everything you want. And it is a fraud to blame them when you refuse to use the money they did vote, even when it is ample to pay for everything else in the government.
When Barack Obama keeps claiming that it is some new outrage for those who control the money to try to change government policy by granting or withholding money, that is simply a bald-faced lie. You can check the history of other examples of "legislation by appropriation" as it used to be called.
Whether legislation by appropriation is a good idea or a bad idea is a matter of opinion. But whether it is both legal and not unprecedented is a matter of fact.
Perhaps the biggest of the big lies is that the government will not be able to pay what it owes on the national debt, creating a danger of default. Tax money keeps coming into the Treasury during the shutdown, and it vastly exceeds the interest that has to be paid on the national debt.
Even if the debt ceiling is not lifted, that only means that government is not allowed to run up new debt. But that does not mean that it is unable to pay the interest on existing debt.
None of this is rocket science. But unless the Republicans get their side of the story out -- and articulation has never been their strong suit -- the lies will win. More important, the whole country will lose.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Oct 9, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
Ron, the Republicans threatened that they would shut down the government, Michelle Bachmann said they got what they wanted. How can you pretend that the Republicans aren't responsible for this mess. If Boner would allow a vote, this would all be over.

Spin away, pal.
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Oct 9, 2013 - 01:05pm PT
Um, Congress hasn't voted. Please turn off your a.m. radios and your intardnet and take a civics class.
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