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HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 11:01am PT
jammer posted
Dirtbag is only smearing himself to right wingers.....oh wait, the fact that he is "different" already did that! In their eyes, he is already less than human. Nothing to lose there! Carry on Dirtbag!

Nothing says "I am human" quite like dehumanizing women.
jammer

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 11:20am PT
^^^

except it is an attack on an anti-humanist, not a woman...her gender just provides a context for the joke. If she was a man, it would need to be a different joke, tailored to a man. Perhaps then you would call us all man haters.

Seriously, if conservatives didn't see the world as divided into the "worthy" and "unworthy" based on arbitrary things like skin color, sex, or sexual orientation, you would have a point. Until then...

LOL DIRTBAG!


BTW, to me the joke says that Sarah Palin LOVES sex and LOVES to use it for control, which is a stark contrast from saying something like she is incompetent for politics solely because she is a woman. So, it attacks her character and not her gender (if it attributes anything it's power), and as a result your comments are completely off base...
dirtbag

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 11:33am PT
Oh fer f*#ksake, HDDj, you sure can be a sanctimonious bore. It is "dehumanizing" to exactly two people: slimy McCain and that fascist fook from wasilla. Both look like equal idiots, and are being lampooned because of what they do.


Tasteless? You betcha. Sexist? Gimme a break.

Edit: thanks jammer. You get it.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 11:37am PT
jammer posted
except it is an attack on an anti-humanist, not a woman...her gender just provides a context for the joke. If she was a man, it would need to be a different joke, tailored to a man. Perhaps then you would call us all man haters.

Thank you for beautifully articulating the mindset of a misogynist. I would not have been able to do so as succinctly. For future reference, if you're going to go for the "I'm not a misogynist" defense you're supposed to say "were Palin a man I'd have posted the exact same cartoon." The "I'm not attacking her because she's a woman I'm just defending a joke that is entirely dependent on her being a woman" kind of gives away the game.

Palin is a woman. A woman who I disagree with. She often tries to make her points by dehumanizing others, a practice to be reviled and opposed, not mimicked. I was commenting to my dad the other day that the Hillary run in 2016 is going to be pretty amazing because, while racial dog whistling has been perfected over the last 40-50 years, people don't seem to think twice about openly dehumanizing women. I can see that I was on target.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 12:02pm PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/appeals-court-upholds-decision-overturning-virginias-same-sex-marriage-ban/2014/07/28/02764842-167e-11e4-85b6-c1451e622637_story.html

1st Circuit just struck down gay marriage ban in Virginia. Marriage bans from West Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina are all pending to be decided by the same court.



Also, it is being suggested that Issa's hearing room be replaced with a swimming pool for more efficiency:

jammer

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
Thank you for beautifully articulating the mindset of a misogynist. I would not have been able to do so as succinctly. For future reference, if you're going to go for the "I'm not a misogynist" defense you're supposed to say "were Palin a man I'd have posted the exact same cartoon." The "I'm not attacking her because she's a woman I'm just defending a joke that is entirely dependent on her being a woman" kind of gives away the game.

Palin is a woman. A woman who I disagree with. She often tries to make her points by dehumanizing others, a practice to be reviled and opposed, not mimicked. I was commenting to my dad the other day that the Hillary run in 2016 is going to be pretty amazing because, while racial dog whistling has been perfected over the last 40-50 years, people don't seem to think twice about openly dehumanizing women. I can see that I was on target.


Lol. I stand by what I said. The joke does not even attribute false viewpoints or anything to Palin and McCain, just lampoons them for the f*#ks they are. I might point out that to me the joke also speaks poorly of John McCain. It says he is there for the "glory", and clearly paints him as a foolish puppet of a misogynist. Oh wait, that has a distinctive "male" context, so I MUST be a man hater too, right? BTW, the technical term for what is being attributed to Sarah Palin is "misandry". Look it up. What other type of woman do you think would hang out with misogynists? Wake up HDDJ.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 12:27pm PT
Oh sorry guys. Here I was sleepwalking through life but now it's obvious now that demeaning Palin based on her gender is actually a form of intelligent social commentary. My eyes are open! I can see! I hope the next time she opens her mouth to say something someone sticks a dick in it because that's what she deserves for daring to be a woman who says things I don't like! Am I in the cool club now?

jammer posted
I might point out that to me the joke also speaks poorly of John McCain.

No, it really just speaks poorly of you. McCain's still a war hero millionaire senator. Palin's still a millionaire political debutante. The only thing that's different is that Supertopo is a little more hostile towards women. There's a reason that Crimpie and co. don't post very often here anymore.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 12:42pm PT
Satanists, the ultimate religious trolls, are challenging "informed consent" abortion laws based on religious grounds:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/satanic-temple-exemption-anti-abortion-laws

"While we feel we have a strong case for exemption regardless of the Hobby Lobby ruling, the Supreme Court has decided that religious beliefs are so sacrosanct that they can even trump scientific fact," Graves said in a statement. "Because of the respect the Court has given to religious beliefs, and the fact that our beliefs are based on best available knowledge, we expect that our belief in the illegitimacy of state­ mandated ‘informational’ material is enough to exempt us, and those who hold our beliefs, from having to receive them."

jammer

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 12:46pm PT
HDDJ wrote:

I hope the next time she [Palin] opens her mouth to say something someone sticks a dick in it because that's what she deserves for daring to be a woman who says things I don't like! Am I in the cool club now?

WOW! I would NEVER write a thing like that, even in sarcastic jest. In contrast to my comments, that was truly disgusting and demeaning to women. Also, specifically which of her policies are you lampooning her for? Her policy of giving speeches? To be clear, the other joke lampoons her for being in bed with the petroleum industry, which is in fact the case.

As much as you may not like the fact that demeaning jokes and negative ads like that Palin joke work, you will have to take that up with American voters.

Also, the fact that you think it should be socially impermissible to bash people for their ACTUAL anti-life-on-earth views, or any other socially regressive view, is a little baffling, especially considering that is what you are idiotically trying to do to me when you accuse me of misogyny. The difference is you are actually being a POS by attributing to me a view I do not hold, and attempting to bring social shame upon me as a result. This is VERY different than what is going on in that Palin joke. You are disgusting.
dirtbag

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 12:49pm PT
Yep.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 01:12pm PT
jammer posted
In contrast to my comments, that was truly disgusting and demeaning to women.

Oh your gentle constitution. Clearly a graphic sexual cartoon of Palin taking it from behind screaming her catchphrase was meant in the most nuanced manner.

As much as you may not like the fact that demeaning jokes and negative ads like that Palin joke work, you will have to take that up with American voters.

So, you don't actually think it's funny you just think it provides a useful tool to your political goals. Well that seems much more acceptable.

Also, specifically which of her policies are you lampooning her for?

I'm not lampooning her. I'm lampooning you. Women who speak their minds or get involved in politics become magnets for incredibly ugly things whether it be Sandra Fluke being labeled a "whore" or Palin's image being graphically sexualized. It's demeaning and abhorrent and while you may not like to think so you're participating in a culture that is degrading women. It's NOT the critical social commentary on her political views that you seem to think it is. It's just ugly. The cartoon insinuates nothing about "being in bed with the oil industry" as you have chosen to read into it. It's just a manner of twisting something she said into a context that demeans her based entirely on her gender.

If you want to criticize her, and she certainly deserves it, there are plenty of ways to do it that don't need to use, as you put it, "her gender provides a context for the joke." That is the actual definition of sexism. You aren't criticizing her based on her views. Racist jokes wouldn't be racist if they didn't use race as a context for the joke. The principle doesn't change just because you're talking about women.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 28, 2014 - 01:22pm PT
HDDJ,

Thanks for recognizing that some people in all shades of the political spectrum engage in degradation and dehumanization. It always saddens me when I see someone who purports to decry mistreatment of women proceed to do the same to a woman with whom they disagree.

John
jammer

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
I'm not lampooning her. I'm lampooning you.


No, you are TRYING to lampoon me. Trying like hell, too.


The cartoon insinuates nothing about "being in bed with the oil industry" as you have chosen to read into it. It's just a manner of twisting something she said into a context that demeans her.

LOL! Yep, that joke clearly says nothing about being in bed with the petroleum industry, nor about a struggle between a disgusting mysogynist and an equally disgusting misandrist fighting for the keys to the castle. I must be WAY off. They just wanted to call Palin a whore, and not at all call out her "drill baby drill!" sh#t. Yep, your a straight shooter.
jammer

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 01:30pm PT
Thanks for recognizing that some people in all shades of the political spectrum engage in degradation and dehumanization. It always saddens me when I see someone who purports to decry mistreatment of women proceed to do the same to a woman with whom they disagree.

John, you claim to be REALLY smart and REALLY rational, so why don't you use all your SUPER smart rationality to explain how that joke is only mistreating Palin, and not at all calling out her actual politics. Also, please enlighten us all with a more effective solution for dealing with Palin (or any other politician with vile politics). If there is one, and it does not rely on supposedly "demeaning men/women", it would probably be more effective, so lets hear it.

In other words, how do you call out someones shitty politics without it being tailored to them, and therefore accounting for their gender? Do we just not call out shitty politics? Is THAT the answer?
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
I can see this has made you pretty defensive, jammer, and I can understand why. It sucks to have your prejudices shown to you and you're acting precisely how our conservative friends do when they get called on their racism or sexism. I can see that you think it's really a subtle joke about being an "oil industry whore" and I'm entirely willing to take you at your word on that. I urge you to consider that it's also saying a lot of other things as well. We are all racist and sexist to some degree or another and we're going to see a lot of this kind of thing in the next couple of years. Well, probably longer than that since we've got the first woman President coming.
jammer

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 01:40pm PT
HDDJ, I just take serious accusations seriously. Things like this do have social consequences (so does attacking someone for views they do not hold...watch out for your own sake), so I take them seriously. Apparently, so do you and John :).


Now, OUT WITH THAT WELL WRITTEN, CLEARLY EXPRESSED, REFLECTIVE OF WIDESPREAD SOCIAL ACCEPTANCE, EXPLANATION, JOHN!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 01:44pm PT
I called you a misogynist which was probably over the top and added to your defensiveness, but what you're participating in is part of a misogynist culture. I am totally open to have my own views challenged if I'm ever contributing to that kind of environment.
jammer

climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 01:46pm PT
HDDJ, if you take back your mysogynist comment, thank you :). You are now no longer guilty of being an irrational and disgusting d-bag :).
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 28, 2014 - 01:48pm PT
Great. Now please join me in asking dirtbag nicely to take the image down so that future Supertopians will read this thread and say "jesus what the hell was that about?"















































Just kidding. No future Supertopians are ever going to read this thread.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 28, 2014 - 01:50pm PT
jammer,

I think the most effective response to a politician with whom I disagree is to set forth the reason for the disagreement, and why I think the politician is wrong. Demeaning attacks may or may not entertain those with whom I agree, but they've never convinced anyone who is on the fence to support my position. They just make me look bad.

John
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