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Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 18, 2014 - 12:08pm PT
Good stuff, HDDJ

Starting off with triple dose of ad homs, followed by "the answer is easy find by googling for maybe 30 seconds... which is 'I don't know' ".

I don't know!

Brilliant. Really. Very Impressive.

DERP!
raymond phule

climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 12:16pm PT

It's about context and basic comprehension.

Yes it is and you fail as usual.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 18, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
Sketch, Dave and I are saying essentially the same thing. The reason insurance paid by the employer effectively allows the employee to pay with pre-tax dollars is because it is not recognized as income to the employee. It would cost the employers the same to pay the premium directly to the employee as wages. Either one would be deductible to the employer.

The employee gets taxed on the full amount of the wages, but can't deduct health insurance premiums unless those premiums, when added to all other medical expenses paid by the employee, exceed a percentage (currently about 6%, I believe) of adjusted gross income. As an example, someone receiving $50,000 of adjusted gross income cannot deduct the first $3,000 of combined medical and health insurance expenses. There are other reductions as well for those who make more money.

This gives a tremendous tax advantage to those who have their health insurance paid by their employer, rather than paying it themselves. The ACA does nothing to change this.

John
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 18, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
This gives a tremendous tax advantage to those who have their health insurance paid by their employer, rather than paying it themselves.
And this has always been the case. ACA did nothing to correct this nonsense.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 18, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
the ACA does nothing to change this

no John, it does not

tell us about the Republican healthcare plan that does change that?

you know, the plan passed when the people you vote for had the Presidency, House, and Senate from 2000-2006?

remember, back when they passed "tort reform"?

but most importantly, why don't you talk about the millions of Americans like our own
Locker and Ron Anderson who now have health care and did not before?

show that you are capable of even two minutes of pure unbias

I was taught in laws school to first take and argue the other side of a case prior to
arguing the side I was assigned to

so John, I invite to you list and argue all the good and positive things the ACA does?
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 18, 2014 - 12:34pm PT
Derp
raymond phule

climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 12:40pm PT

Perhaps you can help HDDJ explain his last accusation. The one about my fixating on tax deduction as being the critical factor.

Why should I? Everyone that can read can read his post and understand what he wrote. Can't you read his post a couple of more times and try to understand it yourself? Or do you need a clue or someone to explain it for you?
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 18, 2014 - 12:55pm PT
Derp!
raymond phule

climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 01:04pm PT
What can I say? I am not even sure if it is fun or just sad that you behave like a 5 year old instead of reading a post.

Cant you read the post a couple of more times instead of showing your stupidity to everyone else? I kind of doubt it but it might be someone that still haven't understood that you are just a really stupid troll.

Do you really need a clue about what hddj wrote in his post?
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 18, 2014 - 01:16pm PT
What's a matter, Ray? Did your little sister kick your ass, again? Or maybe you've got a crush on HDDJ.

Later, fool.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Jul 18, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
sketch - no worries, I'm the ass here.

Admitted

Questioning the relevance? But, yeah... if only 200K Americans (not just the kids that are covered by their parents provider) are now insured where they were not before then I guess the argument could be made that it's a lot to "pay" for such minimal returns.... and who are we really helping anyway....

Of course, this is not a claim on where the question you asked was going, but only a demonstration of perplexity.

raymond phule

climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
So I have to point it out for you...

HDDJ wrote: "John posted" and quoted a section that John posted. So the part that offended you were his response to another poster. Do you understand that now?

Don't you find it strange that no one seems to believe that discussing anything with you are worth their time?

I am not sure if what you do is just idiotic trolling to try to get a response or if you really are that dense that you couldn't read and understand HDDJ's post.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 18, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there

Jul 18, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
sketch - no worries, I'm the ass here.

Admitted

Questioning the relevance? But, yeah... if only 200K Americans (not just the kids that are covered by their parents provider) are now insured where they were not before then I guess the argument could be made that it's a lot to "pay" for such minimal returns.... and who are we really helping anyway....

Of course, this is not a claim on where the question you asked was going, but only a demonstration of perplexity.

My point, which I previously brought up, is what's the plan for those still uninsured.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 18, 2014 - 01:36pm PT
raymond phule

climber

Jul 18, 2014 - 01:26pm PT
So I have to point it out for you...

HDDJ wrote: "John posted" and quoted a section that John posted. So the part that offended you were his response to another poster. Do you understand that now?...

I am not sure if what you do is just idiotic trolling to try to get a response or if you really are that dense that you couldn't read and understand HDDJ's post.

Actually, I missed that he was addressing John.

I wear a size 12. Yum. Yum. Yes, I feel like a dumbass.

Derp, derp, derp.
raymond phule

climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 01:42pm PT

But you keep slinging the insults. It seems important to you.

Like it does for you I guess or do you miss that you sling a lot of insults?

It is just that most normal persons read a post one more time when someone suggest that they read it incorrectly the first time instead of doing like you do. Write a couple of stupid posts full of insults instead of reading the post.

edit: so you edited your post.
raymond phule

climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 01:46pm PT
So sketch edited out all context in his idiotic posts.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Jul 18, 2014 - 02:13pm PT
So sketch edited out all context in his idiotic posts.

 Isn't that a troll move?

And I bought into it.... what an idiot I am....


My point, which I previously brought up, is what's the plan for those still uninsured.

I guess a lot of this troll could have been condensed had you just written your "point" with the initial troll....

Now would be the time you bring up how sincere you are in just trying to find out the facts.... you plan on writing a book, or something.... But, yes.... just keep taking the long road to communicate with others the way you do... achieving as you do.

Try here for answers to your sincere question:

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-facts.php

locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Jul 18, 2014 - 02:27pm PT


They sure do love their DerpWieners...

...

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jul 18, 2014 - 02:35pm PT
I never showed any respect to the little derp Sketch. You are giving him to much credit by calling him a troll...loser is more like it.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jul 18, 2014 - 03:19pm PT
My point, which I previously brought up, is what's the plan for those still uninsured.

explain why you personally "care" about the uninsured

and why it is important for you to know what the "plan" is for them

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