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Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jul 18, 2014 - 09:12am PT
I post factual data from St Louis FED and Derpboy #2 shows up right on cue to post...a cartoon. That's what we're dealing with in the modern GOP, the ID of a petulant 3 yr old.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 18, 2014 - 09:30am PT
FACT: Since 2010, full time jobs are up 7.6 million, while part-time jobs have declined by over 900,000.

Really?

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=FTx

It looks like the latest part-time numbers are higher than any level for 2010.

Try about 1 in 20 (that's a percentage of part time on the left scale there derpboy).

I'm not sure what your graph shows, but based on the St. Louis Fed numbers for full-time and part-time employment, it looks like 1 in 5 jobs are part-time.
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jul 18, 2014 - 10:11am PT
I'm not sure what your graph shows....it looks like 1 in 5 jobs are part-time.

Good lord. Can you really not understand the concept of "percent"? The scale on the left? Yeah, that's percent of part time. And what number does that show? ~ 4.9%.

I would leave the elementary calculation to you, but you seem incapable of simple math. 1/20 = 0.05 = 5%

Your claim, 1 in 5? 1/5 = 0.2 = 20%.

The DERP in strong in you, young padawan.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 18, 2014 - 10:26am PT
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree

Jul 18, 2014 - 10:11am PT


Good lord. Can you really not understand the concept of "percent"? The scale on the left? Yeah, that's percent of part time. And what number does that show? ~ 4.9%.

I would leave the elementary calculation to you, but you seem incapable of simple math. 1/20 = 0.05 = 5%

Your claim, 1 in 5? 1/5 = 0.2 = 20%.

The DERP in strong in you, young padawan.

I have no idea what LNS12032197/CLF160V means.

How about a link to the chart's source, at the St. Louis Fed?

What are the numbers you're using for your 1/20 claim?

Mine are based on June 2014.

Part-time employment - 28,018,000
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=FTx

Full-time employment - 118.204,000
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/LNS12500000

I get 19.16%.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 18, 2014 - 10:31am PT
I get 19.16%.

Well I guess that's close enough to 8/10
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 18, 2014 - 10:34am PT
Not even closed.

It's not near 4.9% either.

HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jul 18, 2014 - 10:35am PT
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JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jul 18, 2014 - 10:41am PT
One of the huge changes under ACA is that everyone who has an individual policy cannot be dropped if they develop a costly medical condition.

This is one thing that I think the ACA may have gotten right. Unfortunately, it still ties insurance to employment by, in effect, allowing employees to purchase health insurance with pre-tax dollars as long as their employers provide it, but making those who don't obtain health insurance through an employer purchase that insurance with post-tax dollars.

The experience with Romney Care provided a lot of practical guidance about what works and what does not, particularly that cost containment with a third party payer is a pipe dream. It's too bad this administration and the Democratic leaders of congress are so poor at negotiating.

John

Edit: Sketch, I know that insurance purchased by the self-employed is deductible. I was not aware that insurace purchased by every individual is deductible without, for example, AGI limitations.
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Jul 18, 2014 - 10:44am PT


You're on a roll and have me rolling...



"fantasy life as depicted on Teabaggers Gone Wild Vol 8"...


"and Derpboy #2"...



LOfukingL!!!...




Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 18, 2014 - 10:46am PT
JE,

Insurance purchased by individuals is tax deductible.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 18, 2014 - 10:58am PT



http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/commentaries/Full-Time-vs-Part-Time-Employment.php

Full-time uses the left axis.

Part time uses the right axis.
crankster

Trad climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 11:13am PT
Keep in mind when the perpetually complaining & whining righties are asked about a candidate, this genius that is going to solve all the world's problems with a snap of the fingers, this is who they are talking about...

Credit: crankster
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
Jul 18, 2014 - 11:21am PT
Feb '13- Feb '14, Bloomberg data:

Full time hiring outpacing part-time hiring by 229:1



But keep on DERPin, it suits you.
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Jul 18, 2014 - 11:24am PT


"Derpin"...

LOL!!!...

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Jul 18, 2014 - 11:29am PT
JE,

Insurance purchased by individuals is tax deductible.

Sorta.

If you are self employed you can deduct the cost of health insurance premiums you purchase for yourself or your family as an "above the line deduction," which means it lowers your AGI.

If you are employed by someone else (W2 income) and buy your own insurance, the cost is tax deductible as a medical expense, which is subject to all sorts of limitations and generally means you won't get squat.

Makes a lot of sense, eh?

Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 18, 2014 - 11:30am PT
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree

Jul 18, 2014 - 11:21am PT
Feb '13- Feb '14, Bloomberg data:

Full time hiring outpacing part-time hiring by 229:1

Nice dodge.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jul 18, 2014 - 11:38am PT
If you are employed by someone else (W2 income), the cost of insurance premiums is not tax deductible.

Makes a lot of sense, eh?

Are employer paid insurance premiums treated as income to employees?

As I understand it, premium costs are not considered taxable income (to the employee). Essentially, it's the same as giving the employee additional income to pay the premium and then having him deduct it as an expense.

It's a wash. The employee has the same net taxable income.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Jul 18, 2014 - 11:39am PT
Unfortunately, it still ties insurance to employment

It is unfortunate. It's unfair to people who need medical insurance (everyone), and unfair to employers.

Which is why we need to catch up to the rest of the civilized world and switch to socialized medicine.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jul 18, 2014 - 11:43am PT
Sketch posted


You start off with:

You ask questions that can be easily answered by reading straight news reports or googling for maybe 30 seconds.

Later, you state:

It is unclear how many fewer people are uninsured now than before.

Nice double talk.

I previously gave you flack for moving the goalposts because that's exactly what you did, along with muddying the waters. What was that nonsense about the poll results not being about opinions? All in all, you seemed intent on disqualifying my post with a bunch of distractions. You accuse me (above) of using the tactics you demonstrate.

I've generally avoided wasting time serious posting at you because you are so persistently dense and your questions are so facile that it is not worth the time and your posts are so dull that responding lacks any of the glee that pointing out the pure ignorance of someone like TGT or blurring.

The question was "how many less uninsured people are there." The easily googled answer is "it's difficult to tell but polling indicates a significant number." I even spell out why that number is hard to peg. Your response is "hah see there is no exact number I win."

You then go on to ask

So, what about those still uninsured? Does the ACA have a way to bring them on board? What's being done about them?

Again, an easily googleable question. My "double talk" perfectly describes your behavior. Get out.

John posted.
This is one thing that I think the ACA may have gotten right. Unfortunately, it still ties insurance to employment by, in effect, allowing employees to purchase health insurance with pre-tax dollars as long as their employers provide it, but making those who don't obtain health insurance through an employer purchase that insurance with post-tax dollars.

It still baffles me why you fixate on tax deduction as being the critical factor here. Being able to deduct health insurance premiums certainly helps but it's the size of the pool of covered people that dramatically reduces prices. The issues of being tied to employer coverage are far more about pool size, ability to leave a job without changing coverage and individuals being able to select their own health care based on their needs instead of the employer's needs which now has to include the employer's "need" to impose their religious views on their employees. Tax deductible insurance premiums just scratch the surface.
locker

climber
STFU n00b!!!
Jul 18, 2014 - 12:05pm PT


A Republican favorite...

Credit: locker
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