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Social climber
So Cal
Jun 21, 2013 - 05:22pm PT
Not to popular with this leftie either.


Jun 21, 2013 - 05:30pm PT
Freedom is superior to bondage. Charity is superior to welfare. Voluntary action is superior to legislation. Persuasion is superior to force

Jun 21, 2013 - 05:43pm PT
Here's one for all you Proggies:
Edward Snowden is being charged as a traitor by the government for which YOUR SIDE is in charge of 2/3rds. How does that make you feel? Never mind the Republicants. This is YOUR Executive Office and Senate. Plenty of room there to intervene.
What say you. I call him a hero who deserves civil disobedience from each of us.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 21, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 21, 2013 - 08:07pm PT
Edward Snowden is being charged as a traitor by the government for which YOUR SIDE is in charge of 2/3rds. How does that make you feel?

makes me feel very very good

the stupid son of a bitch leaked CLASSIFIED information

you do NOT do that sh!t, PERIOD

when he took that job he agreed to NOT do that, he knew he was breaking US law

He can go and work in a homeless shelter if he wants to moralize about the "good" he is doing

but you do NOT leak Classified Intelligence, I don't care who you are

Jun 21, 2013 - 08:10pm PT
Norton you are a fuking hypocrite and the stupidest American.

Snowden did not disclose specific operational secrets, did not blow anyone’s cover and did not place any intel agents in danger like Dick Cheney did when he exposed Valerie Plame as a deep cover CIA NOC.

And this did result in numerous murders and destroyed operations which were being done ethically by one of America’s best deep cover agents in history, Valery Plame.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 21, 2013 - 08:24pm PT
take a hike Braun

you are an ignorant mental speculator

blah blah blah on threads all day and night

and most sickening of all is your childish Big Guy in the Sky god talk

STFU and grow up

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 21, 2013 - 08:37pm PT
Plame was never deep cover and it was Richard Armitage that outed her.

But Norton still qualifies as a sycophantic hypocrite.

Jun 21, 2013 - 08:46pm PT
Norton still qualifies as a sycophantic hypocrite.

Spot on.

He's busted ......

Jun 21, 2013 - 09:11pm PT
"And this did result in numerous murders and destroyed operations which were being done ethically by one of America’s best deep cover agents in history, Valery Plame."


"Plame was never deep cover and it was Richard Armitage that outed her."

Hahahahahaha. Nope.


"From a personal point of view, I said in the book I probably should have ignored what I'd been told about Mrs. Wilson. Now I'm much less ambivalent. I'd go full speed ahead because of the hateful and beastly way in which my left-wing critics in the press and Congress tried to make a political affair out of it and tried to ruin me. My response now is this: The hell with you. They didn't ruin me. I have my faith, my family, and a good life. A lot of people love me – or like me. So they failed. I would do the same thing over again because I don't think I hurt Valerie Plame whatsoever."

Novak's hatred got the better of him - just like it does with all wingnuts. That's what makes them so pathetic.

Does this TGT clown ever get a single fact straight?


State of Mine
Jun 21, 2013 - 09:25pm PT
take a hike Braun

you are an ignorant mental speculator

norton you are a mental masturbator....hows that big blue butt plug feel? at least it explains your allegiance to the jackass.

Somewhere out there
Jun 22, 2013 - 12:03pm PT
Looks like a bunch of tyrants to me…..

This is how things work in Wisconsin… Looks to be calm, cool and collected…

If by Calm you mean wildly out of control,
If by Cool you mean shamelessly hysterical,
If by Collected you mean bring the human race back to a Neanderthaloid period of history….

Then yes… Very Calm, Very Cool, Very Collected

All Republitards really don't like democracy… not even slightly.
Evidenced by looking into Texas:

Discussting examples of just how repulsive the republitards world view really is…. again..

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Jun 22, 2013 - 12:07pm PT

"....hows that big blue butt plug feel?"...

That thing sure does get around...

Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 22, 2013 - 07:04pm PT
Forget The Free Market, We Need A Fair Market

Author: Nathaniel Downes
June 21, 2013 7:05 pm

We all know the refrain from the right-wing pundits: “Free Market, Free Market, Free Market!” They throw the term around like a mantra, as though it is some magical solution to all of the world’s problems. Whatever the argument, the “free market” is the solution to them. The problem is, what they call the “free market” is not very free at all.

The term free market is actually from a school of Socialism, called Market Socialism, which was popular in the 1930′s and was put forward by notable economists such as H.D. Dickenson, Leon Walras, Enrico Barone, Oskar R. Lange and Fred M. Taylor. This was popular in certain intellectual circles until the 1960′s, when Milton Friedman co-opted the term for his essays, “Capitalism and Freedom.” What is now called the free market is actually laissez-faire, the elimination of any government influence in the market. The only role for the government in the system would be for the protection of property rights.

The problem, of course, is that laissez-faire fails every time it is tried. The grand laissez-faire experiments in the Americas during the late 1800′s resulted in the most devastating economic collapses, the last of which we now call the Great Depression. But the lessons of history are never learned by some people, who will insist that “we did not do it free enough” and, in effect, blame the victims of the hedonistic greed which results from the enacting of “free market” policies. The common problem for fundamentalists is that they cannot admit when they are in error, else they deny their own faith. When things go wrong, it is because they did not try hard enough, not that their root concepts themselves are at fault.

What we need is not a “free market” where there is no freedom for anyone but those with the monopolies which will invariably develop from it. The Friedman “Free Market” offers no safety, no rules, none of that. The moment any edge is found, it can be exploited by the unscrupulous to develop a monopoly, with the result being that the market itself becomes unstable, and will eventually self destruct.

The other problem with the free market is that it makes no accommodation for the commons. The commons is a very old concept, pre-dating even colonial America, existing in English common law as far back as 800 AD. Simply put, the commons are resources owned by all which cannot realistically be “sold.” A good example would be the radio frequencies which pass in and around and through us all. We all collectively “own” them, as it were. Our elected officials “slice” them up for companies to use, say for a radio station at frequency 103.1 on your dial, but the rights to them stay owned by us all. They pay us, the people, for the right for that particular section of the radio spectrum. In laissez-faire, there would be no commons, and things such as the radio spectrum would be unusable in its entirety, due to encroachment by other ventures. Say you wanted 103.1, but someone else was on that frequency. There would be no agency able to prevent both of you broadcasting on the same frequency, with the result being that nobody could listen to either of you. Some might claim that property rights would settle the matter, but there is no “property” to speak of in this case. It is literally invisible waves, with nothing to prevent duplication or overlapping of services. To prevent it, you must have strong regulation, which is verboten in a laissez-faire system.

What we need is a fair market, one where everyone can play by the rules, where all have the same opportunities. The laws are there to make sure that no one company can exploit its position to the detriment of the market as a whole. No one group can become a monopoly, hogging the majority of a resource; including capital itself. Where a monopoly is inevitable, or one where capitalism cannot work, then that shall be removed from the market and be part of the commons. There is no capitalism for sewers, for there is not enough room underground to run competing sewer lines to every house in the country, so that would be part of the commons. There is no market for healthcare, because for there to be a market there would need to be choice. The choice of healthcare is live or die, not a choice at all, so it cannot operate in a competitive market.

This was what our founding fathers knew and accepted. They called it the “American School of Economics.” It was formulated by Alexander Hamilton himself while he worked under President Washington. It was while we followed the American system that the United States grew to the world’s largest economy, surpassing Great Britain in 1880, only to fall apart a few years later when the laissez-faire proponents took over. One of the premier pieces on the American School was written by Henry Clay, one of Abraham Lincoln’s advisers, in his book “The Harmony of Interest,” published in 1851.

For people who claim to be in touch with the founding fathers, their work and ideas of capitalism are based not on what the founders themselves believed, but instead on what the French under Louis XV enacted for their economic system. The problem was, this system enabled corruption, with the result being that the entire economy collapsed for the poorest of the French citizenry. By the time his grandson, Louis XVI, had taken the crown, the majority of the French citizenry were in abject poverty, it had all been taken by the aristocracy under laissez-faire. When faced with the problems after taking the crown in 1775, he did not reject laissez-faire, but instead proclaimed that the nation had not been emphatic enough in their embrace of it, so he pushed for even more government de-regulation and even more tax cuts for the wealthy (nobles paid no taxes by 1783), which created an even wealthier aristocracy, and even more poor as taxes had to be raised to pay for an incredibly high debt caused by the tax cuts on the wealthy. So, even as he gave the poor unprecedented liberties, such as the freedom of religion and even reformed the nation from an absolute monarchy to a constitutional monarchy, it did not matter. The poor had nothing left, and when people have nothing to live for, they have no reason not to revolt.

Louis XVI was executed on the 21st of January, 1793.

Read more: http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/06/21/forget-the-free-market-we-need-a-fair-market/#ixzz2X07TE0Lu

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 22, 2013 - 07:59pm PT
Another IRS scandal breaks

(CNSNews.com) - The Internal Revenue Service sent 23,994 tax refunds worth a combined $46,378,040 to “unauthorized” alien workers who all used the same address in Atlanta, Ga., in 2011, according to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA).

That was not the only Atlanta address theoretically occupied by thousands of “unauthorized” alien workers receiving millions in federal tax refunds in 2011. In fact, according to a TIGTA audit report published last year, four of the top ten addresses to which the IRS sent thousands of tax refunds to “unauthorized” aliens were in Atlanta.

The IRS sent 11,284 refunds worth a combined $2,164,976 to unauthorized alien workers at a second Atlanta address; 3,608 worth $2,691,448 to a third; and 2,386 worth $1,232,943 to a fourth.

Other locations on the IG’s Top Ten list for singular addresses that were theoretically used simultaneously by thousands of unauthorized alien workers, included an address in Oxnard, Calif, where the IRS sent 2,507 refunds worth $10,395,874; an address in Raleigh, North Carolina, where the IRS sent 2,408 refunds worth $7,284,212; an address in Phoenix, Ariz., where the IRS sent 2,047 refunds worth $5,558,608; an address in Palm Beach Gardens, Fla., where the IRS sent 1,972 refunds worth $2,256,302; an address in San Jose, Calif., where the IRS sent 1,942 refunds worth $5,091,027; and an address in Arvin, Calif., where the IRS sent 1,846 refunds worth $3,298,877.

Since 1996, the IRS has issued what it calls Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) to two classes of persons: 1) non-resident aliens who have a tax liability in the United States, and 2) aliens living in the United States who are “not authorized to work in the United States.”

The IRS has long known it was giving these numbers to illegal aliens, and thus facilitating their ability to work illegally in the United States. For example, the Treasury Inspector General’s Semiannual Report to Congress published on Oct. 29, 1999—nearly fourteen years ago—specifically drew attention to this problem.

“The IRS issues Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) to undocumented aliens to improve nonresident alien compliance with tax laws. This IRS practice seems counter-productive to the Immigration and Naturalization Service’s (INS) mission to identify undocumented aliens and prevent unlawful alien entry,” TIGTA warned in that long-ago report.

The inspector general’s 2012 audit report on the IRS’s handling of ITINs was spurred by two IRS employees who went to member of Congress "alleging that IRS management was requiring employees to assign Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITIN) even when the applications were fraudulent.”

In an August 2012 press release accompanying the audit report, TIGTA said the report “validated” the complaints of the IRS employees.

“TIGTA’s audit found that IRS management has not established adequate internal controls to detect and prevent the assignment of an ITIN to individuals submitting questionable applications,” said Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George. “Even more troubling, TIGTA found an environment which discourages employees from detecting fraudulent applications.”

In addition to the 23,994 tax refunds worth a combined $46,378,040 that the IRS sent to a single address in Atlanta, the IG also discovered that the IRS had assigned 15,796 ITINs to unauthorized aliens who presumably resided at a single Atlanta address.

The IRS, according to TIGTA, also assigned ITINs to 15,028 unauthorized aliens presumably living at a single address in Dallas, Texas, and 10,356 to unauthorized aliens presumably living at a single address in Atlantic City, N.J.

Perhaps the most remarkable act of the IRS was this: It assigned 6,411 ITINs to unauthorized aliens presumably using a single address in Morganton, North Carolina. According to the 2010 Census, there were only 16,681 people in Morganton. So, for the IRS to have been correct in issuing 6,411 ITINS to unauthorized aliens at a single address Morganton it would have meant that 38 percent of the town’s total population were unauthorized alien workers using a single address.

TIGTA said there were 154 addresses around the country that appeared on 1,000 or more ITIN applications made to the IRS

Arvin, Calif., where the IRS sent 1,846 refunds worth $3,298,877.

Can't be more than a couple of dozen addresses in Arvin.

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Jun 22, 2013 - 08:52pm PT
It's all free market till you charge one of those free marketeers the going rate , then the sh#t hits the free market fan...

Jun 22, 2013 - 09:14pm PT

"Can't be more than a couple of dozen addresses in Arvin."

Can't be more than a few journalism-school dropouts at CSN, either.

Pity the idiots who bother to go there, because their cognitive "skills" leave them incapable of handling the truth

Trad climber
Jun 22, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
Yea, Yea..F*#king idiot repubs..Best just forget them and snatch up the whole family and head to South Africa for a photo op with Mandella before he kicks the bucket. Michell and the girls and the Mother in law have already been there, back before the dust up with Opra and Michell. Yea Yea..get some pics with Mandella while spouting all that "Africa is the Greatest Emerging Civilization on Earth" Bullsh#t. Nobody will notice the pricetag.

Note to self: 1 million in the streets of Brasil tonight protesting, Detroit going BK. We should have the Olympics in Detroit and bring all the Brasialians to LA where they can buy cars and drive themselvs and not worry about busfare! I should be president!

Jun 22, 2013 - 09:34pm PT
My nominee for the most delusional wingnut columnist of the decade: Peggy Noonan

Where Was the Tea Party?


One of the great questions about the 2012 campaign has been “Where was the tea party?” They were not the fierce force they’d been in the 2010 cycle, when Republicans took back the House. Some of us think the answer to the question is: “Targeted by the IRS, buried under paperwork and unable to raise money.”

The economist Stan Veuger, on the American Enterprise Institute‘s blog, takes the question a step further.

The Democrats had been badly shaken by the Republican comeback of 2010. They feared a repeat in 2012 that would lose them the White House.

Might targeting the tea-party groups—diverting them, keeping them from forming and operating—seem a shrewd campaign strategy in the years between 2010 and 2012? Sure. Underhanded and illegal, but potentially effective.

Veuger writes: “It is a well-known fact that the Tea Party movement dealt the president his famous “shellacking” in the 2010 midterm election. Less well-known is the actual number of votes this new movement delivered—and the continuing effects these votes could have had in 2012 had the movement not been demobilized by the IRS.”


There's so many layers of delusion to this, it's hard to know where to start

Why on earth would any democrat want to do anything to hinder the Tea Party? Our fondest hope is that they form a third party, and dilute the conservative vote.

She really thinks we don't want them to succeed? Imagine if there was a Communist Party that could dilute the liberal vote - you think repubs wouldn't be dancing in the streets for joy?

And what benefit is the current Tea Party caucus offering to repubs in the House? Boehner couldn't get a bill passed if his life depended on it. The Tea Party caucus wants the House establishment repubs exterminated even more than we dems do.

Is she (and the WSJ editorial board) really that stupid? The IRS "scandal" is going nowhere for this exact reason - House repubs realize that any further attention drawn to this weakens them even more than they already are.


Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Jun 22, 2013 - 10:42pm PT
Another IRS scandal breaks.

And what are the odds they aren't the brainchild of white American citizens? Pretty much zilch.
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