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Wade Icey

Trad climber
May 25, 2013 - 10:49am PT
Joe- got a link to the pigf*#king thing? seems like a page out of tgt's playbook.

Trad climber
May 25, 2013 - 11:58am PT
Damn. That might be the only thing Brewer has done that I thought was pretty cool.

May 25, 2013 - 02:15pm PT

"Joe- got a link to the pigf*#king thing? seems like a page out of tgt's playbook."


Ice climber
Pomfert VT
May 25, 2013 - 02:18pm PT

May 25, 2013 - 03:29pm PT

Hahahahaha, not a single word about this on any of the wingnut websites (RedState, Townhall et al) - they're all in shock

Gov. Brewer Holds ObamaCare Pep Rally At Tucson Hospital


Gov. Jan Brewer led a lively "pep rally" for Medicaid expansion at Tucson Medical Center on Wednesday morning, drawing cheers, shouts of support and a standing ovation from about 250 local health-care executives, business leaders and other citizens.

Without the expansion, about 60,000 Arizonans now enrolled in Medicaid will immediately lose health coverage at the end of 2013, including an estimated 5,000 cancer patients and 2,000 with serious mental illness, state officials say. And hospitals and insured Arizonans will end up shouldering the cost, Brewer said.

She said the state will also lose out on millions of dollars in federal matching funds to cover health care.

"We cannot let that happen," the Republican governor said to loud applause. "And I know that we won't."

The Arizona House of Representatives could consider the expansion as early as next week.

Medicaid is a federal insurance program for low-income people that currently covers 1.3 million Arizonans. Many of the Arizona critics of the expansion are Republicans opposed to the new federal health law. Some say Medicaid is inefficient, needs major reform and that expansion shouldn't be done without an overhaul.

"Now, I am no big fan of the Affordable Care Act. In fact I led Arizona's efforts to defeat it. But the question for Arizonans today is not whether the law should exist. It does. The Supreme Court upheld it," Brewer said of the federal health law, which she calls Obamacare.

"The question is whether we will take decisive action in a way that most benefits Arizona's families, businesses and hospitals."

The expansion received a significant boost last week when the Arizona Senate approved the plan, but it still needs support from the state House of Representatives. House Speaker Andy Tobin, a Republican from Yavapai County, has said he wants expansion to be subject to voter approval, which the governor opposes.

"Now we move to the House of Representatives and the road doesn't get any easier," Brewer said. "We just need everybody on board, to get their facts straight. Call your legislators and tell them: 'We elected you to do your job. Now do it,' " she said.

State Rep. Ethan Orr, a Catalina Foothills Republican, told the group that he is among eight Republicans in the House who support the governor's plan for Medicaid expansion, a plan he calls preventive and prudent.

"I'm highly optimistic that the House of Representatives will be able to answer the governor's call, so to speak," Orr said. "This is about math. The impact on our state budget will be hundreds of millions of dollars. And this decision could infuse billions into our state economy. In fact, over the next four years it will infuse $8 billion into our state and local economies. That is a lot of money."

Without the expansion, Arizona tax dollars will go to Washington and "simply disappear," he said. Like Brewer, Orr does not think that putting the issue to voters is wise. The Legislature should not avoid making difficult decisions, he said.

Brewer said the state cannot move forward with its budget without the expansion.

Expanding Medicaid is one of the new health-care law's provisions. While the law calls for expanding Medicaid to people who earn up to 133 percent of the federal poverty level, the U.S. Supreme Court last year left the question of whether to expand Medicaid up to individual states.

The Arizona Legislature froze childless adults from enrolling in Medicaid in 2011 because of $2.5 billion in annual budget cuts to the program. Since then, the number of Arizona childless adults with Medicaid has shrunk by more than 60 percent, leaving about 240,000 childless adults in Arizona without health insurance. As a result, hospitals say their costs for uncompensated care have skyrocketed.

"These are Arizonans without health insurance who live day to day knowing they face disaster if they get sick, or if they are injured," Brewer said.

When hospital costs rise, the result is a "hidden tax" on insured patients, the governor said.

The expansion would cover an additional 57,000 Arizonans. But more significant, the expansion would give what state officials say is enough federal matching funds to cover those 240,000 childless adults and continue coverage for about 60,000 others.

In Arizona, Medicaid is available to people who earn up to 100 percent of the federal poverty level, which works out to an annual income of $19,530 for a family of three. Taking that cap up to 133 percent would work out to nearly $26,000 in income for a family of three.

The Republican governor surprised many people earlier this year when she announced that she would support expanding Medicaid, a program that in Arizona is also called the Arizona Health Care Cost Containment System or AHCCCS.

"Illness doesn't wait until it's convenient or when you save enough money to pay for medical care," said Judy Rich, president and chief executive officer of Tucson Medical Center. "Hospitals have served as a vital safety net as the state has struggled through our great recession. Now it's time to invest in the health of our community, support Tucson and Arizona hospitals and the broader health safety net."

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
May 25, 2013 - 04:20pm PT
Aloha Gang,
I'm enjoying a Pinot at the British air lounge at JFK. I laugh at dumb libertarian remarks as it shows zero knowledge of the ideals that are Liberty. Thank you for reasonable questions, I follow Locke's idea of a social contract, one the State has never kept up its side of the agreement. I do not believe in the lie that is called market failure, when there is continuos State failure which has put us with devalued currency and a ridiculous debt.

Patrick Henry nailed it when he waived the constitution declaring there is nothing that will keep this central government from continuos limitless growth.

So I would be an anti-federalist and not a anarchist( while anarchy does have some interesting concepts)

So I'm gonna be on boat in the Baltic for a couple weeks. Read up on Locke and Hobbes social concept. We were sold locke's ideals and now live with Hobbess. And to that I object.

Pleas forgive any typos, it's ipad typing with a vino in one hand.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
May 25, 2013 - 05:16pm PT
John Locke's conception of the social contract differed from Hobbes' in several fundamental ways, retaining only the central notion that persons in a state of nature would willingly come together to form a state. Locke believed that individuals in a state of nature would be bound morally, by The Law of Nature, not to harm each other in their lives or possession, but without government to defend them against those seeking to injure or enslave them, people would have no security in their rights and would live in fear. Locke argued that individuals would agree to form a state that would provide a "neutral judge", acting to protect the lives, liberty, and property of those who lived within it.

How has America failed in what John Locke conceived?

The government thus acts as an impartial, objective agent of that self-defense, rather than each man acting as his own judge, jury, and executioner—the condition in the state of nature.

That's another way of describing anarchy, where you will be my serf, because I outweigh you. yeah, interesting.....

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
May 25, 2013 - 05:21pm PT
300,000,000+ million of US makes an unwieldy village.

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
May 25, 2013 - 05:33pm PT
Gotta go airplane mode in a couple min.s

How has America failed in what John Locke conceived?

Uh....slavery? 16th amendment? Patriot act? Dood I can on from here to heathrow....

See you out there Amigo's

Trad climber
May 25, 2013 - 08:32pm PT
"300,000,000+ million of US makes an unwieldy village. "

were not talking about philosophy here,
were talking about rights

its quite telling that such a group are not allowed choice or candadate which recognize that bodys need as a market force
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
May 25, 2013 - 10:11pm PT

So you believe in the PERFECT gov't structure, created in the eye of God, that can make no mistake?

Or do you believe in a gov't of Humans, that makes mistakes, because Humans make mistakes, but involves a mechanism for self-correction.

Note that we don't have legal slavery anymore. Nor have we in your lifetime.

16th amendment? Nowhere in Locke's writings do I find anything that says that he does not think that gov't should not be funded, so as to pursue it's essential functions. You just don't want to pay your taxes, if you have any.

I'm also not so sure you want to be holding out as virtue of commerce, a major investor in the slave trade.....

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
May 26, 2013 - 08:26am PT
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The "Class Act" continues. Freekin' Liberbarbarians.

May 28, 2013 - 08:46am PT

No Repubs In CA State Legislature = Budget Surplus; "Greeceafornia" Idiots Proven Completely Wrong


After years of grueling battles over state budget deficits and spending cuts, California has a new challenge on its hand: too much money. An unexpected surplus is fueling an argument over how the state should respond to its turn of good fortune.

The amount is a matter of debate, but by any measure significant: between $1.2 billion, projected by Gov. Jerry Brown, and $4.4 billion, the estimate of the Legislature's independent financial analyst. The surplus comes barely three years after the state was facing a deficit of close to $60 billion.

Not 1 single repub in CA in statewide office, and the legislature is 83-37 dems.

Result? No more deficit.

Obvious lesson: Kick repubs out of gov't, and let adults deal with spending.

The Warbler

the edge of America
May 28, 2013 - 10:00am PT
I'd like to hear the conservative take on ^^^this^^^, especially John Elezarian's.

Seems like a fairly indisputable endorsement of democratic economic policy to a libtard like me.
J man

Trad climber
morgan hill
May 28, 2013 - 10:15am PT
Benghazi style rescues do happen but not in Benghazi.

Early on January 25, 2012, two dozen United States Navy SEALs parachuted

from a C-130 Hercules 12 miles north of the Somali town of Adow, where
pirates held the pair of hostages in hopes of ransoming them.

The SEALs then traveled by foot from their drop zone, attacked the compound, and engaged the pirates, killing all nine of them.

Rescue of U.S. citizen Jessica Buchanan and Danish citizen Poul Hagen Thisted



Trad climber
Fresno CA
May 28, 2013 - 10:23am PT
Good question, Kevin. It's really an endorsement of both aspects of balancing a budget: keep revenues up, and keep spending down. I doubt most liberals would call our current California budget anything but austere.

As someone passionate about the California public higher education system, I'm particularly mindful of the deep cuts in state funding of that system, that was once our crown jewel. Community colleges, in particular, have deeply reduced budgets. CSU and UC tuition is much higher, as state support wanes.

In addition, there is some question whether the budget is really balanced. Much of the revenue enhancement came from funds taken from cities and counties, coupled with responsibilities placed on them. Dan Walters had an interesting column on that yesterday. http://www.sacbee.com/2013/05/27/5450072/dan-walters-californias-state.html The part of California where I live has local governments faced with massive increases in pension liabilities and prison expenses, and less and less funds to pay for them.

In addition, I question whether we can count on the increased revenue next year. We have a stock market that has risen to record levels, and there is every incentive to cash out now, rather than wait for probable higher tax rates later.

Be that as it may, I would be quite happy to be proven wrong. I would love to live in a state that was run the way it was 50 years ago, with good roads, good schools, a relatively non-partisan state government, and filled with truly forward-looking, independent thinkers. After all, it produced a pretty good crop of climbers.


May 28, 2013 - 10:31am PT
"Benghazi style rescues do happen but not in Benghazi."

"Early on January 25, 2012, two dozen United States Navy SEALs parachuted..."

They'd been held captive 4 months - how long were our Benghazi people held captive for?

Answer - they weren't. The operation you describe took weeks (at least) of planning, and the rescuers hiked 12 miles to get there.

How you think anything like that could possibly have had any effect in Benghazi is just another example of pathetic wingnut delusion.

Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Topic Author's Reply - May 28, 2013 - 10:39am PT
How many people did Bush save during 911?
zero, and it was in Downtown Manhattan, with all the rescue services at their fingertips
3000 vs. 4

lesson, it isn't so easy to save people during a terrorist attack as it might seem, especially if you are 1500 miles from the nearest help
Wade Icey

Trad climber
May 28, 2013 - 10:46am PT
We would not say that, any more than we would say that Col Allan f*#ks pigs. He is from Australia; if he were to engage in bestiality, it's much more likely that it would be with sheep. But we are not saying Col Allan f*#ks sheep, either. It could be that Col Allan f*#ks pigs or sheep. We do not know. It would be irresponsible to speculate.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Topic Author's Reply - May 28, 2013 - 10:47am PT
Credit: Dr. F.
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