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bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 20, 2013 - 11:04am PT
Who pushed the unwatched video?

Who gave the 'stand-down' orders to not defend our people under attack?

That is criminal.

monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 20, 2013 - 11:06am PT
Yeah, who ordered that tiny 4-man team from Tripoli to stand down? They coulda fought their way from the airport and saved all those highly trained and armed CIA guys.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 20, 2013 - 11:26am PT

Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, a Republican who served in both the Bush and Obama administrations, said if he had been at the Pentagon at that time, "Frankly … I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were.”


Republican critics have said a Special Forces team or overflights by fighter aircraft based in Italy might have prevented the US losses or at least frightened off the attackers. Mr. Gates disagrees.

Such actions, he said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” Sunday, “without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence in terms of what is actually going on the ground, would have been very dangerous."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2013/0512/Robert-Gates-Obama-made-right-decisions-night-of-Benghazi-attack

"It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces," Gates said, referring to morning-after analysis. "The one thing that our forces are noted for is planning and preparation before we send people in harm's way, and there just wasn't time to do that."
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 20, 2013 - 11:35am PT
If they wanted to know "what the environment" was, they could have tuned into the real-time video of the attack, and watched it as it was happening.
jghedge

climber
May 20, 2013 - 11:37am PT


"If they wanted to know "what the environment" was, they could have tuned into the real-time video of the attack, and watched it as it was happening."


"It's sort of a cartoonish impression of military capabilities and military forces," Gates said, referring to morning-after analysis.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 20, 2013 - 11:39am PT
If they wanted to know "what the environment" was, they could have tuned into the real-time video of the attack, and watched it as it was happening.

good morning, Chaz

can you post a link showing the attack was being watched in real time?

you know, like we knew it was going to happen before it happened and arranged to have video feeds?

not from some guy's facebook page but say from a couple of credible news sources like AP?
rSin

Trad climber
calif
May 20, 2013 - 11:42am PT
these are the same folks who sit just fine with not defending our people whenever isreal is bombing them in international waters
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 20, 2013 - 11:44am PT
Norton, they had Predator drones (unarmed) filming the whole deal in real-time. 2 of them. One had to go off-scene to refuel.

Here; http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/us_watched_as_terror_raged_AypAEEA9OK23rPf7Z5BHWO

Yeah, who ordered that tiny 4-man team from Tripoli to stand down? They coulda fought their way from the airport and saved all those highly trained and armed CIA guys.


4 spec-ops guys can dish out a lot of defense. And what about the troops from Southern Italy? Sigonella airbase had a squad of rapid reaction troops ready to go.

Do we not even try to support our guys anymore? Just throw our arms up?
jghedge

climber
May 20, 2013 - 11:53am PT
"Norton, they had Predator drones (unarmed) filming the whole deal in real-time. 2 of them. One had to go off-scene to refuel."

Here; http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/us_watched_as_terror_raged_AypAEEA9OK23rPf7Z5BHWO

From Oct 21, from the NY Post - the same "news source" that put the wrong 2 guys on its cover as being the Boston Marathon bombers.

Everything in that article was based on wrong info immediately after the attack, and is completely wrong.

There was never any "live feed". The only video of the attack was surveillance cameras from the compound itself, which had no way of being transmitted, and was only obtained after the attack.
jghedge

climber
May 20, 2013 - 11:55am PT

"4 spec-ops guys can dish out a lot of defense. And what about the troops from Southern Italy? Sigonella airbase had a squad of rapid reaction troops ready to go."

And that's a flat-out lie. The 4 star general who runs Aviano decided against sending anyone. No possible way they could have got there in time to do anything.

You're just making sh#t up.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 20, 2013 - 11:57am PT
There was never any "live feed". The only video of the attack was surveillance cameras from the compound itself, which had no way of being transmitted, and was only obtained after the attack.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 20, 2013 - 11:57am PT
Former Defense Secretary Robert Gates, a Republican who served in both the Bush and Obama administrations, said if he had been at the Pentagon at that time, "Frankly … I think my decisions would have been just as theirs were.”


Republican critics have said a Special Forces team or overflights by fighter aircraft based in Italy might have prevented the US losses or at least frightened off the attackers. Mr. Gates disagrees.

Such actions, he said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” Sunday, “without knowing what the environment is, without knowing what the threat is, without having any intelligence in terms of what is actually going on the ground, would have been very dangerous."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2013/0512/Robert-Gates-Obama-made-right-decisions-night-of-Benghazi-attack
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 20, 2013 - 11:58am PT
How many people did Bush save when 911 happened????
zero

It was in downtown NY, so it must have been alot easier for Bush to save people than it would have to save 4 people that were 500 miles from any possible aid.

There was No live video feed, that has been confirmed, only the most stupid idiots that didn't get the memo are still repeating the lie.
bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 20, 2013 - 12:00pm PT
http://nation.foxnews.com/us-drone-over-benghazi-attack/2012/10/21/us-drone-watched-libya-attack-unfold-washington-did-nothing
Another reputable link.

How did they know they had no time to do anything? Did they get a time-frame from the terrorists as to when the fighting would stop?

The point is that the minute, the minute that Stevens said "we're under attack" both assets should have been deployed. First from Tripoli, and the Sigonella crew as a backup.

You don't just sit back and hope it gets better. Stevens was missing after the first hour. That's a US Ambassador! Send in the troops!
monolith

climber
SF bay area
May 20, 2013 - 12:04pm PT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/post/fox-news-and-benghazi-video-for-real/2012/11/09/79410b04-29d8-11e2-bab2-eda299503684_blog.html

The white house and state department had no capability to watch live drone video from Benghazi. They don't have the military training necessary to even analyze such video if they could watch.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 20, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
Norton writes:

"can you post a link showing the attack was being watched in real time?"



Here you go.




Oops. My bad. That photo was of Obama doing something good - killing a son of a bitch who needed killing.

The Obama fails, they're never photographed. Obama himself is never around to direct his own administration's fails. We can only speculate where the hell he was when Benghazi was under attack, because nobody in the administration will tell.

When something good happens, however, Obama's front-and-center crowing about it, with photos and everything.
jghedge

climber
May 20, 2013 - 12:07pm PT

"The point is that the minute, the minute that Stevens said "we're under attack" both assets should have been deployed. First from Tripoli, and the Sigonella crew as a backup."


4 star general who runs Aviano ruled it out. He knows, you don't.

But keep acting like a little child, Bluey, and insisting you know better.


Just makes you look stupid and childish.




bluering

Trad climber
Santa Clara, CA
May 20, 2013 - 12:10pm PT
The white house and state department had no capability to watch live drone video from Benghazi. They don't have the military training necessary to even analyze such video.

It's irrelevant. They have DOD, Pentagon, and other telling them what they see.

What IS relevant is that Hicks was on the f*#king phone with an Ambassador saying he was under heavy attack!

The guys in the airport hanger were itching to go! To support Stevens.

They were told to NOT GO!

WhaT is fortunate for some of the survivors is that the 2 SEALs disobeyed that command and ran towards the shooting. Too bad that their country didn't send back-up for them.

It's disgraceful to me.
Chaz

Trad climber
greater Boss Angeles area
May 20, 2013 - 12:11pm PT
jghedge writes:

"4 star general who runs Aviano ruled it out. He knows, you don't."


Before I call "bullshit", I'd like you to explain exactly how that could happen.

You mean to say thet Obama said "go get them", and the general said "no, we won't even try" ? Is that how you think it went down?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 20, 2013 - 12:12pm PT
No One Knows if Hispanics Will Ever Be as Smart as Whites:


The Republican National Committee's Director of Hispanic Outreach for Florida, Pablo Pantoja, has quit his post and registered as a Democrat. In his letter of resignation he cited the recent anti-immigrant study by the Heritage Foundation and the general "culture of intolerance surrounding the Republican Party today". The study itself has been making headlines because language it contains is eerily similar to one of its authors' college dissertations that concluded, "no one knows whether Hispanics will ever reach IQ parity with whites".


oops, say how is the Republican "rebranding" thing coming along anyway?
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