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Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2013 - 11:15am PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Actually, it was 60 Americans that were killed at American Embassies under Bush
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree
May 15, 2013 - 11:15am PT
Bush didn't pardon Libby, he commuted his sentence, which is a different thing. The conviction stands and remains on his record. The parts of the sentence aside from the prison time remained (he paid something like 250k fine IIRC). This was the cause of some uproar from the VP's office (Libby was Chief of Staff to the VP, not an advisor to Bush), who expected Bush to grant an actual pardon.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 15, 2013 - 11:17am PT
fondly to Dick and George known as "scooter"

kinda like a college fraternity in charge of the kegs guy
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
May 15, 2013 - 11:17am PT
both Ron and I agree about this ONE particular stance of Ron Paul's

That's three of us.
jghedge

climber
May 15, 2013 - 11:17am PT
"and that is that a LOT of our taxpayer money and our boy's lives are being wasted in Afghanistan"


Just another mess that Bush left for an actual adult to clean up - aka the standard repub pathology.

And had we not had bases in Afghanistan, we wouldn't have got Bin-Laden, and all the intel we got from raiding his compound.

Meaning that being in Afghanistan probably has saved America from another terrorist attack - it just took a smart, adept CIC to take advantage of being there - not the knucklehead who put us there in the first place.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 15, 2013 - 11:18am PT
we will NEVER effect true change in third world countries.. Weve failed at each and every attempt to bring modern democracy there. ( the guise of good). Weve not received cheap oil either. In an investment standpoint its been a fabulous loosing deal. In money and life.

My stance is the same as it has been for quite some time. WITHDRAW from the shytfest we help create. Rely on our OWN energy sources and furthering of alternatives. Take the billions of dollars given there and fix us here.
The "GLOBAL Power" crap is just that- epic failure- much like the UN.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 15, 2013 - 11:23am PT
we will NEVER effect true change in third world countries.. Weve failed at each and every attempt to bring modern democracy there. ( the guise of good). Weve not received cheap oil either. In an investment standpoint its been a fabulous loosing deal. In money and life.

agreed

BUT, if we voluntarily cut ourselves off from mid east oil it is also a fact that we do not produce enough oil in the USA to meet our demand for oil, such a supply interruption would very likely result in $10/gallon gasoline, wholesale inflation, and could well plunge our economy back into recession

and only for those reasons do I believe we still gotta keep buying the ME crude oil until maybe some day we can produce all we need right here, and we are a LONG way off
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 15, 2013 - 11:24am PT
theres always S America Norton! Weve already invested in offshore there.
jghedge

climber
May 15, 2013 - 11:45am PT

Why The IRS "Scandal" Is Going Nowhere

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113217/irs-tea-party-scandal-conservative-political-correctness-action#


Democrats can’t say it; Barack Obama can’t say it; and the IRS certainly can’t say it, so here goes: The only real sin the IRS committed in its ostensible targeting of conservatives is the sin of political incorrectness—that is, of not pretending it needed to vet all the new groups that wanted tax-exempt status, even though it mostly just needed to vet right-wing groups.

How do we know this? Because, for one thing, the people submitting the questionable applications were overwhelmingly right-wingers. As others have pointed out, the early Obama era was a boom time for conservative activists, who were forming groups faster than NBC burns through “Today Show” hosts. This coincided with a series of court rulings that made it possible for these groups to claim tax-exempt status without disclosing their donors under section 501c4 of the tax code.1 As a result, there were suddenly way more non-disclosing political groups trying to claim tax-exempt status than there ever had been, and the vast majority were right-leaning. No surprise, then, that the IRS would focus on whether these groups actually qualified for that status—something that was questionable since the law said their primary activity needed to be “social welfare,” not politicking.

So why would so many Tea Party groups subject themselves to a lengthy and needless application process? Mostly it had to do with anxiety—the fear that they could run afoul of the law once they started raising and spending money. “Our business experience was that we had to pay taxes once there was money coming through here,” says Tom Zawistowski, the recent president of the Ohio Liberty Coalition, which tangled with the IRS over its tax status. “We felt we were under a microscope. … We were on pins and needles at all times.” In other words, the groups submitted their applications because they perceived themselves to be persecuted, not because they actually were.

Fine—there’s no law against neurosis. But, to borrow a thought experiment from my colleague Alec MacGillis, consider all this from the perspective of the IRS’s Cincinnati office, which handles tax-exempt groups. You’re minding your own business in 2009 when you start to receive dozens of applications from right-leaning groups, applications you didn’t solicit and don’t require. You peruse a few of the applications and it looks like many of the groups, while claiming to be “social welfare” organizations, have an overtly political purpose, like backing candidates with specific ideological agendas. Suffice it to say, you don’t need an inquisitorial mind to decide the applications deserve careful vetting.

One Tea Party activist from Waco, Texas, has complained that an IRS official told her he was “sitting on a stack of tea party applications and they were awaiting word from higher-ups as to how to process them.” The quote is intended to sound nefarious—an outtake from some vast left-wing conspiracy—but it’s actually perfectly straight-forward: The IRS was unexpectedly flooded by dodgy 501c4 applications and was at a loss over how to manage them.



jghedge

climber
May 15, 2013 - 11:51am PT
Another factor that repubs fail to consider is, why would Obama want to use the IRS to persecute the Tea Party - a group that will eventually start nominating its own candidates, and split the conservative vote?

A group which has already proven instrumental in nominating repubs who are too extreme to actually get elected? The Tea Party actually cost repubs the Senate majority a few years ago. Harry Reid wouldn't be in office now if the Tea Party hadn't gotten Sharon Angle nominated.

Liberals LOVE the Tea Party - we wouldn't intentionally do anything to dampen their political influence or effectiveness, believe me.


Or perhaps it's Machiavellian - by creating the appearance of persecuting them, Obama (or liberals at the IRS, anyway) hopes to raise sympathy and support for them, thus further enhancing their prospects in upcoming primaries, and resulting in more Sharon Angles and Christine O'Donnells...hmm.




Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
May 15, 2013 - 12:24pm PT

Our other choice, McCain wanted to stay in Iraq Forever
and starting bombing Iran on day one

not enough time spent as a POW i guess.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2013 - 01:02pm PT
The Real scandal is that the IRS approved most of the Tea Baggar and right Wing political group tax exempt status
Including Karl Rove's group.

Even though that the 501c designation is to be used only for Social Welfare! And worded specifically to Not be used for political groups.

So in other words, my tax dollars are helping to subsidise Karl Rove and the Tea Baggars propagate lies and misinformation

There will be further investigations, and this Whole thing is now backfiring on the Brain Dead dolts that thought they could use this to make Obama look bad.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
So rong found ONE Republican that's not wrong about our ME intervention
Congrats rong!!

too bad all the rest want more intervention, and voting for Republicans will just put more people in harms way

While almost all the Dems want less ME involvement, and Obama is pulling our troops out, does that matter to rong?

No, it doesn't matter, he will still vote against the Dems, even though they are the only ones that will make the fixes he desires. He can always complain when things get worse under his repubs, and blame it on the Dems, like always.

and by the way, Ron Paul has no power, and is hated by the Republican establishment.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 15, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
The Real scandal is that the IRS approved all the Tea Baggar and right Wing political group tax exempt status

actually, as the IRS has not released any statistics, we have no way of knowing this
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2013 - 01:31pm PT
That's what I heard
The IRS approved everyone of them, contrary to law
Well not all, 8 were denied

All told in 2012, some 2,774 groups of all types applied for 501(c)(4) status. Of those, 2,324 were approved, eight were denied, and 442 were held in limbo, neither approved nor denied. A number of conservative groups found themselves in this last category.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/05/14/lets-back-up-how-is-the-irs-supposed-to-scrutinize-501c4s-anyway/
abrams

Sport climber
May 15, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
Approved, denied, and a 3rd group those the IRS chased away with their anal exam questionnaires. The biggest group.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
What's the definition of Insanity?
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different out come.

The Republican House is voting to repeal ObamaCare for it's 37th Time!!

Talk about a waste of money
Mr. Boner, where are the jobs?
why don't you do your job instead of wasting everyone's time and money, ya moron

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/426316/may-14-2013/obamacare-repeal-vote
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
May 15, 2013 - 01:52pm PT
The IRS approved everyone of them, contrary to law
Well not all, 8 were denied

Dr F,

correct me if I am wrong please

your statistics are the TOTAL number of applications versus denied for that status

again, the statistics do NOT differentiate between all the various applications, such as which were from progressive, conservative, churches, and many other applications for non profit status

in addition of the 8 denied we do not know which of the above groups they were

I get your point, but respectfully your are incorrectly reading into the statistics much more than they purport to say, and as a respected scientist well you know better!
coz

Gym climber
Belmont
May 15, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Dr F,

How do you and your fellow lover Joe, have all this time to post on this and other threads.

You guys are on this thing 14 hours a day, every day.

Arguing with the same group of people, it's a interesting, to say the very lest.





Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 15, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
Why be such an a-hole Coz
I thought you were better than that

I would argue with you, but you are too volatile, and I don't want my head shot off
at least rong won't come looking for me if I piss him off

anyway, me and ron are OK with each other, so why don't you pick on someone else
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