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Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
just think a minute that your defending LOUD and OBVIOUS liars at this time

what loud and obvious liars?
please link to the exact lies
we already went over this, the lies about the Dems were lies that the Repubs made up, so in fact they were Republican lies

The Repubs lie about everything, Fact
the Dems?? you can't even point to single lie that is a Real Lie

I'm defending a workable Gov, not a mafia of evil controlled by big money, and controlling the minds of the weak.

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 17, 2013 - 01:33pm PT
Don't distract Ron, F. He's desperately trying to find that non-existent example, or looking for an opportunity to change the subject.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Topic Author's Reply - May 17, 2013 - 01:34pm PT
Greenpeace is a Non-Profit, serving the welfare of the earth

what welfare are the tea baggars providing?
ya nutbag

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 17, 2013 - 01:37pm PT
Ron, I read that the reason most of those teabagging orgs didn't receive reviews of their applications because all of their applications stated that their primary goal was to finish the job that Hitler started.

If you'd like the link, you'll need to google for it. It's out there, somewhere.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
May 17, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
Geez, a group that publicly complains about taxes and makes speeches about not paying them is flagged by the IRS?

Outrage by the same people who want to profile Muslims in airports


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 17, 2013 - 02:20pm PT
if that were ONLY the case Karl..

Breaking news,, from 8 mins ago...

WASHINGTON — The Treasury Department’s inspector general told senior Treasury officials in June 2012 he was investigating allegations that the Internal Revenue Service had targeted conservative groups, disclosing for the first time on Friday that Obama administration officials were aware of the matter during the presidential campaign year.

Obama Names New Acting I.R.S. Chief (May 17, 2013)
G.O.P., Energized, Weighs How Far to Take Inquiries (May 17, 2013)
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Steven T. Miller, foreground, the acting commissioner of the Internal Revenue Service, and J. Russell George, an inspector general for the Treasury, were sworn in at a House Ways and Means Committee hearing on Friday.
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At the first Congressional hearing into the I.R.S. scandal, J. Russell George, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration, told members of the House Ways and Means Committee that he informed the Treasury’s general counsel of his investigation on June 4, and Deputy Treasury Secretary Neal Wolin “shortly thereafter.” The new information came as part of a routine briefing of the investigations that the inspector general would be conducting in the coming year, and he did not tell the officials of his conclusions that the targeting had been improper, he said.

Still, Mr. George’s testimony will most likely fuel efforts by Congressional Republicans to show that Obama administration officials knew of efforts to single out conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status for additional scrutiny, but did not reveal that knowledge during President Obama’s re-election campaign.

Representative Paul Ryan, Republican of Wisconsin who joined the Republican ticket as the vice-presidential candidate later in the year, said, “That raises a big question.”

Representative Dave Camp of Michigan, the House Ways and Means chairman, said in opening the hearing, “This appears to be just the latest example of a culture of cover-ups — and political intimidation — in this administration. It seems like the truth is hidden from the American people just long enough to make it through an election.”

The hearing quickly turned into partisan jousting, with House Republicans pressing to expand the inquiry to other tax misdeeds closer to the White House, while Democrats tried to keep the focus narrow and under the purview of an I.R.S. chief appointed by President George W. Bush.

Steven T. Miller, the acting I.R.S. commissioner who has resigned, called the agency’s actions “obnoxious,” but told the House Ways and Means Committee they were not motivated by partisanship. And in testy exchanges, he said he had not misled Congress, even though he did not divulge the targeting efforts of a Cincinnati unit examining 70,000 applications for tax exemption.

He called the group’s centralization of applications from groups with names that included the words “Tea Party” or “patriots” simply “foolish mistakes” that “were made by people trying to be more efficient in their workload selection.”

With two additional hearings already scheduled for next week, it is clear the focus of Congressional inquires will extend well beyond the selection of conservative groups for special scrutiny of their tax-exemption applications.

Mr. Camp pressed Mr. Miller and Mr. George on the releasing of tax information on Koch Industries, the giant family business of conservative benefactors Charles and David Koch, by a former White House economist, Austan Goolsbee. He also hit on the publication of donor lists for the National Organization for Marriage, which opposes same-sex unions, and the release of confidential applications for tax-exempt status to the investigative reporting outfit Pro Publica.

The incidents of releases of confidential tax information were referred to the inspector general for investigation, but were found to be inadvertent, the witnesses said.

When Republicans asked Mr. Miller whether the targeting of conservative groups was divulged to Obama administration officials outside the I.R.S., Mr. Miller said “that would be a violation of law.”

“I would be shocked” if that occurred, he said.

Mr. Miller did concede that the I.R.S.'s apology for targeting was prompted by a question planted by the agency last Friday at an American Bar Association meeting. At that meeting, Lois Lerner, the head of the I.R.S.'s division overseeing tax-exempt organizations, was asked about an inquiry of the targeting issue, eliciting an apology that quickly leaked out of the closed-door session. The I.R.S. then scrambled to issue a formal release on the issue.


Trad climber
Western America
May 17, 2013 - 02:34pm PT
The Administration criminally used the IRS to unfairly deny Americans their Constitutional rights. Easy and straightforward to understand. Good sound bite.

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 17, 2013 - 02:39pm PT
Couldn't find that link, eh, Ron?

Hang on...there's a bunch of stuff that I've read lately that I'll pass along. Not sure I still have the link, but you can google it yourself.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 17, 2013 - 02:51pm PT
Appogee,,,listen to the Tom Sullivan show,, they interviewed the head of that org yesterday- and will no doubt mention him again.

Social climber
May 17, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
Presidents from both parties have used the FBI and the IRS since, uh, those agencies were created to further their goals. Generally in a far more egregious manner than the current teapot (teaparty!) tempest.

Why not just pick up a history book instead of getting all butt hurt after listening to fox or rush or whatever?

Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 17, 2013 - 03:04pm PT
Well, ya gotta hand it to the Repugs..5 years of obstructionism entirely in their own power interests, and against the democratic voice of the American people, has been quite successful. They've managed to turn Obama into a lame duck in an amazingly short period of time.

Their next goal: make sure Hillary's rep is slandered as heavily as possible, since they know goddam well that their likely 2016 candidates are going to be a bunch of whacknuts (again).

State of Mine
May 17, 2013 - 03:18pm PT
what welfare are the tea baggars providing?

fodder for a 40,000 post thread on st.

while i don't care for the tea baggers they have just as much right to their club as libtards. but that would really make you upset if a repug administration went after the libtards of ST now wouldnt it Dr F?

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Joshua Tree
May 17, 2013 - 03:20pm PT
Hi Ron.

Remind me again who appointed Mr. Miller as acting head of the IRS?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 17, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
ElCap,, i believe it was that jackwagon Bush jr..;-) and "aint NUTHIN changed"..

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
May 17, 2013 - 05:29pm PT
Here's some good ones...gotta love 2nd terms! Why do we let legislatures make careers out of their office?

The Tonight Show With Jay Leno

"This week will mark the 37th time House Republicans have tried to repeal Obamacare. If Republicans really wanted to do away with Obamacare they should just endorse it as a conservative non-profit and let the IRS take it down.

President Obama announced the appointment of a new acting commissioner of the IRS — the other guy was fired. See, they're called "acting commissioner" because you have to act like the scandal doesn't involve the White House.

A lot of critics are now comparing President Obama to President Nixon. The good news for Obama? At least he's no longer being compared to President Carter.

It has not been a good week for President Obama. You've got Benghazi, the IRS scandal, this AP records scandal, and, worst of all, his Chicago Bulls got eliminated by the Miami Heat. Do you know what that means? LeBron James is going to get audited by the IRS."

May 17, 2013 - 05:34pm PT

Republicans Ruin Credibility With Benghazi Attacks on Obama


The Republican Party has been hell bent on ruining the credibility of President Barack Obama via the attacks on the U.S. Benghazi Embassy that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three others. Instead they ruined their own credibility.

Last Friday, Republicans leaked emails to the press on the Benghazi attacks. Those emails are now being scrutinized as CBS News on Thursday reported those emails contain altered text. The two that were singled out by CBS were those of National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes and State Department Spokeswoman Victoria Nuland.

Rhodes email that was leaked by Republicans said, “We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation.”

There is a huge problem between the two versions. The reason is Rhodes never mentioned the State Department in his email.

“We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation,” Rhodes said in the emails that were released Wednesday.

One could just chalk it off as some kind of error. However, what makes it clear that Republicans had an agenda is that Nuland’s email was altered in a similar way.

“The penultimate point is a paragraph talking about all the previous warnings provided by the Agency (CIA) about al-Qaeda’s presence and activities of al-Qaeda,” Republicans have Nuland saying.

Like Rhodes email, Nuland never mentions the CIA nor Al Qaeda at all in her email.

“The penultimate point could be abused by members to beat the State Department for not paying attention to Agency warnings,” actually said.

The reason why they did this is most likely to prove their claim that the State Department requested the changes to the talking points. The problem with this is that the rest of the emails show that State Department raised concerns over the talking points being too specific to the CIA as they were the ones who drafted the talking points. The CIA agreed with the State Department and made the changes them self to be less specific.

In other words, just like the White House has been saying, they never orchestrated any changes to the talking points.

For a while now we have known that Republicans will bend and distort the truth to get their ways. The changes show one thing in particular about Republicans.

That is nothing has changed with Republicans since the Watergate Scandal of the 1970s that brought down President Richard Nixon. They don’t care about anything or anyone. The only thing they care about is getting what they want.

And mollifying their idiotic wingnut base.


Trad climber
May 17, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
you know joe,
its hard to see the value of the gop's implosion given it has convinced the democratic establisment to do the bidding its always dreamed of accomplishing...


May 17, 2013 - 05:44pm PT

"its hard to see the value of the gop's implosion given it has convinced the democratic establisment to do the bidding its always dreamed of accomplishing..."

Jim Crow Laws have been reinstated?

Roe v Wade overturned?


Trad climber
May 17, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
roe v wade is handing by a string,

its easier to get a high quality coat hanger for 90% of them whos wants a termination than it is to excercise their rights as prescribed by law

the democratic establisment, while using the liberal venacular has allowed the substance behind the retoric to be hollowed out nearly to the point of non-existance in most cases

first amendment privelage
prisoner treatment
civil rights
defense of the commons
safe food
clean water

what leftists are allowed to call wins are in most cases worse compromises than if some house negro woke the boss up and asked him what he would agree to


Trad climber
May 17, 2013 - 05:53pm PT
and jim crow hasnt had a better grip on local policing
the military establishment
and the distribution of welare and social services

in 40 years!

you should hear the sh#t undercover religous tards get away with moling their way into public service then putting on their 'hate em!' garb at work while claiming to be the poor and descriminated agains because...

that sh#t aint been tolerated for decades

and now its the new ok...

yes, roe v wade has been overturned
and jim crow is once again tolerated as a religiously protected position
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