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May 16, 2013 - 02:52pm PT
Yeah, the flat tax, the conservative's wet dream tool for completely screwing over the poor and elimating the middle class.

May 16, 2013 - 03:09pm PT

Hahahahaha - NOT ONE question from the press about Benghazi

Aaaalll those wingnut hopes and dreams, everything they staked their emotional well-being on - evaporated into thin air

How stupid and embarrassed the screaming little brats who ranted for months about it must feel now



Social climber
So Cal
May 16, 2013 - 04:05pm PT
Too busy fielding IRS questions.

Another one out today.

SAN DIEGO (CN) - A lurid but vague class action accuses corrupt and abusive IRS agents of stealing 10 million people's medical records without a warrant - including "intimate medical records of every state judge in California."
John Doe Company sued 15 John Doe IRS agents in Superior Court.
"This is an action involving the corruption and abuse of power by several Internal Revenue Service ('IRS') agents (collectively referred to as 'defendants' herein) during a raid of John Doe Company, in the Southern District of California, on March 11, 2011," the complaint states. "In a case involving solely a tax matter involving a former employee of the company, these agents stole more than 60,000,000 medical records of more than 10,000,000 Americans, including at least 1,000,000 Californians.
"No search warrant authorized the seizure of these records; no subpoena authorized the seizure of these records; none of the 10,000,000 Americans were under any kind of known criminal or civil investigation and their medical records had no relevance whatsoever to the IRS search. IT personnel at the scene, a HIPPA [sic: recte HIPAA] facility warning on the building and the IT portion of the searched premises, and the company executives each warned the IRS agents of these privileged records. The IRS agents ignored and discarded each of these warnings, ignored their own published and public-reliant rules and governing ethical requirements, and ignored the limitations of the court's search warrant authorization, seizing the records under threat of destroying company property."


To top it off, the IRS agents were rude, childish and arrogant, the complaint states:
"Adding insult to injury, after unlawfully seizing the records and searching their intimate parts, defendants decided to use John Doe Company's media system to watch basketball, ordering pizza and Coca-Cola, to take in part of the NCAA tournament, illustrating their complete disregard of the court's order and the Plaintiffs' Fourth Amendment rights.


The IRS' data theft was so enormous it affects "roughly one out of every twenty-five adult American citizens,"



May 16, 2013 - 04:15pm PT
"Too busy fielding IRS questions."

Hahahahaha - not even the wingnut media at the press conference today asked anything about Benghazi - they're too embarrassed that they got so worked up over NOTHING, and they know it delegitimizes any credibility that even their base mistakenly thought they had

Not that they really care - they know they only exist to whip up the idiots who watch them when pro wrestling isn't on


Mountain climber
May 16, 2013 - 04:40pm PT
time to snap the cuffs on Obama and Holder


May 16, 2013 - 04:49pm PT

I mean, it's just so jaw-droppingly pathetic

Last week Benghazi was aaaallll they could talk about

And now it's like it never even happened

Wingnuts are literally just like little children - same attention span, same regard for reality, same indifference to being caught lying, same respect for the truth.

May 16, 2013 - 05:03pm PT
The Scandals Are Falling Apart


On Tuesday, it looked like we had three possible political scandals brewing. Two days later, with much more evidence available, it doesn’t look like any of them will pan out. There’ll be more hearings, and more bad press for the Obama administration, and more demands for documents. But — and this is a key qualification — absent more revelations, the scandals that could reach high don’t seem to include any real wrongdoing, whereas the ones that include real wrongdoing don’t reach high enough. Let’s go through them.

1) The Internal Revenue Service: The IRS mess was, well, a mess. But it’s not a mess that implicates the White House, or even senior IRS leadership. If we believe the agency inspector general’s report, a group of employees in a division called the “Determinations Unit” — sounds sinister, doesn’t it? — started giving tea party groups extra scrutiny, were told by agency leadership to knock it off, started doing it again, and then were reined in a second time and told that any further changes to the screening criteria needed to be approved at the highest levels of the agency.

The White House fired the acting director of the agency on the theory that somebody had to be fired and he was about the only guy they had the power to fire. They’re also instructing the IRS to implement each and every one of the IG’s recommendations to make sure this never happens again.

If new information emerges showing a connection between the Determination Unit’s decisions and the Obama campaign, or the Obama administration, it would crack this White House wide open. That would be a genuine scandal. But the IG report says that there’s no evidence of that. And so it’s hard to see where this one goes from here.

2) Benghazi: We’re long past the point where it’s obvious what the Benghazi scandal is supposed to be about. The inquiry has moved on from the events in Benghazi proper, tragic as they were, to the talking points about the events in Benghazi. And the release Wednesday night of 100 pages of internal e-mails on those talking points seems to show what my colleague Glenn Kessler suspected: This was a bureaucratic knife fight between the State Department and the CIA.

As for the White House’s role, well, the e-mails suggest there wasn’t much of one. “The internal debate did not include political interference from the White House, according to the e-mails, which were provided to congressional intelligence committees several months ago,” report The Washington Post’s Scott Wilson and Karen DeYoung. As for why the talking points seemed to blame protesters rather than terrorists for the attack that killed the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans?

Well: According to the e-mails and initial CIA-drafted talking points, the agency believed the attack included a mix of Islamist extremists from Ansar al-Sharia, a group affiliated with al-Qaeda, and angry demonstrators.

White House officials did not challenge that analysis, the e-mails show, nor did they object to its inclusion in the public talking points.

But CIA deputy director Michael Morell later removed the reference to Ansar al-Sharia because the assessment was still classified and because FBI officials believed that making the information public could compromise their investigation, said senior administration officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the internal debate.

So far, it’s hard to see what, exactly, the scandal here is supposed to be.

3) AP/Justice Department:. This is the weirdest of the three. There’s no evidence that the DoJ did anything illegal. Most people, in fact, think it was well within its rights to seize the phone records of Associated Press reporters. And if the Obama administration has been overzealous in prosecuting leakers, well, the GOP has been arguing that the White House hasn’t taken national security leaks seriously enough. The AP/DoJ fight has caused that position to flip, and now members of Congress are concerned that the DoJ is going after leaks too aggressively. But it’s hard for a political party to prosecute wrongdoing when they disagree with the potential remedies.

Insofar as there’s a “scandal” here, it’s more about what is legal than what isn’t. The DoJ simply has extraordinary power, under existing law, to spy on ordinary citizens — members of the media included. The White House is trying to change existing law by encouraging Sen. Chuck Schumer to reintroduce the Media Shield Act. The Post’s Rachel Weiner has a good rundown of what the bill would do. It’s likely that the measure’s national security exemption would make it relatively toothless in this particular case, but if Congress is worried, they always can — and probably should — take that language out. Still, that legislation has been killed by Republicans before, and it’s likely to be killed by them again.

The scandal metanarrative itself is also changing. Because there was no actual evidence of presidential involvement in these events, the line for much of this week was that the president was not involved enough in their aftermath. He was “passive.” He seemed to be a “bystander.” His was being controlled by events, rather than controlling them himself.

That perception, too, seems to be changing. Mike Allen’s Playbook, which is ground zero for scandal CW, led Thursday with a squib that says “the West Wing got its mojo back” and is “BACK ON OFFENSE.” Yes, the caps are in the original.

The smarter voices on the right are also beginning to counsel caution. ”While there’s still more information to be gathered and more investigations to be done, all indications are that these decisions – on the AP, on the IRS, on Benghazi – don’t proceed from [Obama],” wrote Ben Domenech in The Transom, his influential conservative morning newsletter. “The talk of impeachment is absurd. The queries of ‘what did the president know and when did he know it’ will probably end up finding out “’just about nothing, and right around the time everyone else found out.’”

I want to emphasize: It’s always possible that evidence could emerge that vaults one of these issues into true scandal territory. But the trend line so far is clear: The more information we get, the less these actually look like scandals.

And yet, even if the scandals fade, the underlying problems might remain. The IRS. could give its agents better and clearer guidance on designating 501(c)(4), but Congress needs to decide whether that status and all of its benefits should be open to political groups or not. The Media Shield Act is not likely to go anywhere, and even if it does, it doesn’t get us anywhere close to grappling with the post-9/11 expansion of the surveillance state. And then, of course, there are all the other problems Congress is ignoring, from high unemployment to sequestration to global warming.

When future generations look back on the scandals of our age, it’ll be the unchecked rise in global temperatures, not the Benghazi talking points, that infuriate them.

May 16, 2013 - 05:38pm PT
Excellent post jghedge, proving that once again, republicans--including our friends here--are WRONG about EVERYTHING.

May 16, 2013 - 05:51pm PT
Found out this past Sunday one of my 13 year old female cousins watches fox news and is a self professed republican. It came up in conversation around the kitchen table over breakfast. I literally spit up my coffee and choked. Pretty funny as it was just a knee jerk reaction and made clear how i felt about republicans without saying a word.

Needless to say this cousin is kinda from hee haw land and her mother very very trashy and low class. I think that was the first time i spent any time with my family in a few years other than my mother who i adore and spend much time with.

Off topic but that is what this thread reminded me of..

May 16, 2013 - 06:09pm PT

"Off topic but that is what this thread reminded me of.."

Actually on topic

Being low-class trash is the prerequisite for indoctrination into Wingnut Fantasy World


Boulder, CO
May 16, 2013 - 07:08pm PT



Social climber
So Cal
May 16, 2013 - 07:24pm PT
Prince Barry loses another one.


May 16, 2013 - 07:31pm PT

I could not agree more. I was just having a hard time putting in black and white that other than my mother and grandmother my family is either toothless white trash Kid Rock listening to Romney supporters. Or wealthy republican business owners that do not identify them self as wealthy all the while pulling in 500K plus annually year after year collecting garages full of 500k cars and or ocean front real estate and cigaret boats. Hard to accept this is your family when it is what you got.

Clearly it is only the educated and truly middle class and a handful of minorities and women that vote democratic these days. The rest educated, uneducated and beer guzzling all seem to vote republican. Freaking nuts people are largely a disappointment.

Just cant wrap my head around any women in this day and age that could vote for someone that is not pro life!!


May 16, 2013 - 07:34pm PT
TGT, you are WRONG about EVERYTHING.


Trad climber
San Diego, CA
May 16, 2013 - 07:40pm PT
With all the real work that needs to be done in a congressman's 10hr work week, the repug's waste 8 hrs on this.

They are going down in flames...again.

May 16, 2013 - 07:54pm PT

As I said last week, it was the CIA that made the changes to the talking points...and the emails released 2 days ago prove I was right.


The CIA made the big changes. It’s true, as has been widely reported, that State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland raised the strongest objections to the draft talking points. A charitable interpretation is that Nuland objected to CIA language that cast unfair blame on the State Department for inadequate security at a site which mainly conducted CIA business. Less charitable is that Nuland was reflexively covering for her department, and perhaps for her boss, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton (although as a former aide to Dick Cheney, Nuland is no Hillaryland footsoldier).

Either way, it was the CIA’s deputy director, Michael Morell, who struck language from the talking points which had detailed his agency’s past warnings about growing security threats in Benghazi.

Some press accounts, and skeptical conservatives, focused on the unhappy reaction to the final product by then-CIA Director David Petraeus, who concluded: “Frankly, I’d just as soon not use this.” But Petraeus’s lone, brief email doesn’t imply he finds the talking points misleading or outright objectionable. Instead, by noting that a senior member of the House committee that requested them will be unsatisfied, he suggests the document has been watered down to the point of uselessness. (“[T]his is certainly not what Vice Chairman [Dutch] Ruppersberger was hoping to get,” he wrote.) Why Petraeus would not have overruled Morell, however, or overseen the final edits before they were made, remains unclear.

Try reading something other than the verbal diarrhea that your idiotic right-wing propaganda outlets delude you with, wingnuts, and you might actually get a clue
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
May 16, 2013 - 08:00pm PT
Heller Introduces Bill to Stop Funding for New IRS Agents

“IRS Accountability Act” halts appropriations for implementing ObamaCare

(Washington, D.C.) – Following up on a letter to Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius sent this week, U.S. Senator Dean Heller (R-NV) introduced the “IRS Accountability Act.” This legislation prohibits the IRS from receiving any ObamaCare funding that would otherwise be used for implementing the massive healthcare law.

“News that the IRS has been targeting conservative groups violated the trust that the American people place in their government. Nevadans are already concerned about ObamaCare, so the fact that Congress could hand over even more power to an agency under intense scrutiny to enforce the health care law is deeply concerning. The ‘IRS Accountability Act’ suspends funding for new ObamaCare IRS agents because right now we can’t trust the IRS to do its job,” said Senator Dean Heller.

The President’s budget requested that about $440 million be diverted to the IRS for the purpose of enforcing the President’s healthcare law. Considering the IRS is under increasing scrutiny for targeting conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status, Heller introduced legislation to stop additional funding.
The Warbler

the edge of America
May 16, 2013 - 08:08pm PT
Damn Ron, yer like a dog with a bone - you never let go and there's no meat to be had.


May 16, 2013 - 08:12pm PT

"Heller Introduces Bill to Stop Funding for New IRS Agents"

Hahahaha, he might as well intro a bill to grow wings - same difference.

Just goes to show how interested repubs are in actually governing - not.

Not to worry - 2 more election cycles and neither we nor Hillary will care what they do - they'll be as irrelevant nationally as they already are in CA.


May 16, 2013 - 08:15pm PT
Considering the IRS is under increasing scrutiny for targeting conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status

better them than us ron, wish I was tax exempt
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