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apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:08pm PT
As a two-time Bush II voter, Sketch has demonstrated once & for all of us just how poor his judgement can be. Puts the rest of his shite right into perspective, don't it?
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:11pm PT
As a two-time Bush II voter, Sketch has demonstrated once & for all of us just how poor his judgement can be. Puts the rest of his shite right into perspective, don't it?

Actually, yes, it does.

It does sketch. It really does.

DMT
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:14pm PT
Let's not forget:


To see what I mean by bait and switch, think about what happened in 2004. George W. Bush won re-election by posing as a champion of national security and traditional values — as I like to say, he ran as America’s defender against gay married terrorists — then turned immediately to his real priority: privatizing Social Security. It was the perfect illustration of the strategy famously described in Thomas Frank’s book “What’s the Matter With Kansas?” in which Republicans would mobilize voters with social issues, but invariably turn postelection to serving the interests of corporations and the 1 percent.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:15pm PT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan

Jun 13, 2014 - 12:11pm PT

Actually, yes, it does.

It does sketch. It really does.

DMT

You mean ol' meanie.

<sniff>
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:16pm PT
The Champ abandons 200 Americans.


http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/200-u-s-contractors-surrounded-by-jihadists-in-iraq/
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
Go rescue them skipt I mean TGT!

DMT
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
The usual Obama critics are pretty quiet. The more intelligent ones may be reading Al Jazeera
The challenge for Iraq’s neighbors may be more acute, because their strategic rivalry has prompted Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey, among others, to back favored factions as proxies in their region-wide geopolitical contest.

Of all the regional powers, things are most clear-cut for Iran, the neighbor with whom Maliki is most closely aligned — an uncomfortable reality that U.S. conversation about Iraq has tended to overlook. Iran has promised to back Maliki to the hilt, much as it has done for its other key Arab ally, Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad.

At the same time, an unnamed senior Iranian official told Reuters that Tehran is willing to cooperate with the U.S. in confronting the challenge of ISIL in Iraq.

Saudi Arabia, Tehran’s regional arch-enemy, is in a trickier position. Riyadh “has regarded Maliki as little more than an Iranian stooge,” wrote Simon Henderson of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

“Although vulnerable to Al-Qaeda-types at home, [Gulf] countries (particularly Kuwait and Qatar) have often turned a blind eye to their citizens funding radical groups like Jabhat al-Nusra, one of the most active Islamist groups opposed to Bashar al-Assad in Syria.”

Even then, however, ISIL’s emergence as a key player in the region is deeply threatening to the Saudis and their allies, too.

But as Iran steps forward to help its ally in Baghdad — a source in Tehran told Al Jazeera that Iran’s elite Quds Force has already deployed 150 men to help its neighbor — more robust Iranian involvement could further antagonize Iran’s regional rivals.
So we send in the bombers. How do we tell "friend" from foe? Iran now our ally? Iran who's been backing Assad in Syria?

Check your atlas. There's nothing but open desert between Syria and Iraq.
Even assuming we could work out coherent objectives, strategically it's going to be very difficult.
Iraq is turning into a real Witches Brew.

Well done Shrub/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice/Wolfowitz/Powell and Tony Blair (famously labeled Bush's lapdog).
Credit: HighTraverse
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:29pm PT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal

Jun 13, 2014 - 12:16pm PT
The Champ abandons 200 Americans.


http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/200-u-s-contractors-surrounded-by-jihadists-in-iraq/

"We leave no one behind."
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:32pm PT
I'm gonna take my problem to the United Nations
Well, I called my congressman and he said quote,
"I'd like to help you son, but you're too young to vote"
Sometimes I wonder what I'm gonna do
Cause there ain't no cure for the summertime blues

No, I'm not laughing. This is a tragic outcome of idiotic foreign and military policy.
Right now the US/Nato (remember them?) have very few cards to play.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
Military contractors who get left in a lurch should have read the contract a little closer.

DMT
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:41pm PT
Those guys are all teachers, mechanics and instructors, not combat troops.


Idiot!
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:43pm PT
Martini, you need to tune out of World Net Daily. That's Crazy World.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:46pm PT
Those guys are all teachers, mechanics and instructors, not combat troops.

I'm an idiot because your dumb ass doesn't know the difference between the military and mercenaries? They are there selling weapons systems to the Iraqi government.

F*#k you.

They are in Iraq, for money. If you don't like their treatment, go over there and get them out, motherf*#ker.

DMT
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 13, 2014 - 12:50pm PT
maybe WND is whacko, maybe they're behind the times.
Try the Daily Mail in England
Three planeloads of Americans have been evacuated from a major Iraqi air base north of Baghdad as Al Qaeda-aligned militants have toppled cities in the country's north and threaten to advance toward Baghdad.
The planes, loaded with diplomats and contractors stationed at an Iraqi airbase in Balad, flew out amid fears that the base could be surrounded by the militants.
The passengers included 12 U.S. government officials and military personnel who have been training Iraqi forces to use fighter jets and surveillance drones.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2656506/Americans-evacuated-Iraqi-air-base.html
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Jun 13, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan

Jun 13, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
Military contractors who get left in a lurch should have read the contract a little closer.

DMT

I'm sure there's a clause defining circumstances for abandoning contractors.

DURRR!
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 13, 2014 - 01:07pm PT
Why don't they fly out on their own accord
They can just take a commercial flight out, whiners
They are not POWS





Holy Shit!!
I've been Trolled!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

This crapolla was written by the Worlds Biggest Liar
Jerome R. Corsi
He must be a psychopath, to lie so hard, put it in print, and act like it's factual truth

You guys make me sick
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jun 13, 2014 - 01:13pm PT
TGT = white bread chicken hawk, dumb as dirt and a racist to boot. Did I cover it all?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jun 13, 2014 - 01:15pm PT
The usual Obama critics are pretty quiet. The more intelligent ones may be reading Al Jazeera

OK. I'm one of the usual Obama critics, and I see no reason to enter a discussion of entrenched views, in which no one will listen to serious arguments from the other side. More importantly, though, I'm sufficiently old-fashioned (since I am, after all, conservative) to believe that partisanship still has no place in foreign policy.

HT, you seem to understand the difficulty here better than most, and I appreciate many of your comments. The US has had a terrible record with intelligence gathering in the middle east, and the seeming surprise at the success of ISIS in Iraq is simply one more manifestation of a failure that extends back to the First World War and before. I still think people would be well served to read Fromkin's A Peace To End All Peace to see the extent to which the west's ignorance, and the US indifference to middle eastern affairs, led to the current situation.

I guess my personal view amounts to this: we are watching an inevitable consequence of a situation largely of our making. For that reason, I would normally find washing our hands of the situation now to be immoral. Unfortunately, though, we are so impotent -- and incompetent -- that the best thing we can do is let those who are better equipped and committed sort the problem out.

As far as I can see, the lack of a strong, ruthless, central Iraqi government allows Iraq's inherent instability to come to the fore. In chemical terms, Iraq is a mixture, not a compound. The Iranians, who are primarily Shiites, will aid the Iraqi government, who are almost entirely Shiite, to fight the Sunnis and their proxies, such as ISIS. The Kurds will use the instability to push for their independence.

To me, the ultimate irony of all this is that much of the infighting in Iraq, the middle east generally, and in the Balkans comes from the rather benign way in which the Ottomans ruled their conquered peoples. This may sound odd coming from an Armenian whose mother is a survivor of the massacres, but the Ottomans, almost unique in the region's history, allowed those they conquered to retain their identities, rather than force an assimilation. Unfortunately, when the Ottoman Empire collapsed, there was no unifying force, and the old ethnic and sectarian differences kept simmering until they boiled over.

The Administration has an almost impossible task. Far be it from me to try to gain a partisan advantage from this tragedy.

John
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 13, 2014 - 01:22pm PT
I have heard another side of the story that may correct, or may be BS.

The people of certain parts Iraq are rejoicing to this new Government, ISIS or Kurdish

It's actually the Old Gov., revolting against the New Tyrannical Maliki Gov. (Installed by Bush)

So this revolution they're having may be not all Bad.
Should we intervene???
Hell NO.


Biden said it years ago.
The 3 state solution is the answer.
wilbeer

Mountain climber
honeoye falls,ny.greeneck alleghenys
Jun 13, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
Great post JE.
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