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dirtbag

climber
Jun 11, 2014 - 11:03am PT
Oklahoma GOP senator: Sure, why not stone fags?


That [stoning gay people to death] goes against some parts of libertarianism, I realize, and I’m largely libertarian, but ignoring as a nation things that are worthy of death is very remiss.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/06/11/oklahoma_tea_party_candidate_scott_esk_supports_stoning_gay_people_to_death.html
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 11, 2014 - 12:38pm PT
Lots of news about the Cantor loss

the tea bagger was heavily supported by Mike Levin and Laura Ingram, so he got alot of free press, which actually was paid for by the Koch Brothers since they funded the media hosts
so the assumption that big money lost is wrong, it's just that Brat didn't spend that much of his own money

Democrats voted for Brat since it was an open primary, and all Dems hate Cantor and welcomed his lose.

Everyone in Virginia Hated Cantor with a passion, he is the model of arrogance, Republican Establishment, big money, big business, wall street and bank bailouts

The Tea Baggers are Christians, and wanted to get the Jew out of Congress.

There was only a 13% turnout, and most of the Cantor supportors stayed home because they thought he had it in the bag (his polling said he was up 34%)

The chances for a Dem winning the seat in Nov. are small, but it could be done now, since all the Dems can see that it's an open race now, and Virginia just voted in a New Democratic Gov. and Attorney General


What I hated the most about Cantor was his hate for Obama, he would stand up at the podium and tell us about the arrogance of the Black President (for doing his job) was undermining his ability to make decisions, blah blah, lie, BS blah blah!!!
You're the arrogant one you Moron!


How can these guys get away with blatant lying the way they do?
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Jun 11, 2014 - 12:51pm PT
the big news is that Dr F finally speaks the truth.

I'm a pussy
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 11, 2014 - 12:55pm PT
Q: Do you believe that the civil liberties and social freedoms of the US citizens have dwindled and got weakened? Do you consider the US electoral system which doesn’t follow a directly representative format is fair and equitable?

A: We are in a post-constitutional state in the United States right now. To quote former President Jimmy Carter, we live in a non-functioning democracy. We have locked up nearly 25% of all the prisoners on the planet, we have the most well-documented spy state, 90% of our congressional elections have rigged districts to be non-competitive, the Supreme Court has declared that money equals free speech and corporations have the same rights as people. One percent of the population gives all the money to candidates and they can do it anonymously. The US solution to this is to steal oil in the Middle East and shock and awe other nations into adopting our dysfunctional form of democracy. It is an oligarchy that is neither fair nor equitable. It is arguably closer to a kleptocracy – we are being ruled by thieves that are looting our nation and the world.

Interview by Kourosh Ziabari"


http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13930317001411
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Jun 11, 2014 - 12:58pm PT
Repukecans have done most of the redrawing trying win with a minority.

They suck and will come back to haunt them.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2013/06/22/new-district-maps-reaped-rewards-for-gop-congress-but-cost-fewer-moderates-more-gridlock/B6jCugm94tpBvVu77ay0wJ/story.html
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 11, 2014 - 01:03pm PT
Cantor won the district 59% - 34% in 2010.
Cantor is not in it this time.
It's a whole new ball game.
Cantor got some middle of the road votes. Which way will they go now that the Repub is a Tea Bagger?
Very likely most of them will hold their noses and vote for the Democrat. Or stay home.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Jun 11, 2014 - 01:53pm PT
HT,

I agree that it's a different race, but I doubt that the Democrats will win, given the electoral makeup of the district. I would also caution trying to make too much of this -- or any other -- local election. A candidate in my part of the world -- Democrat or Republican -- who strays too far from the center is in big trouble but, sad to say, that doesn't hold for statewide office in California. A "tighten up the borders" campaign that may work in that district in Virginia could be a candidate's kiss of death here in the Big Raisin.

Besides, the Republican candidate is an economics professor. How could he lose?

John
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jun 11, 2014 - 04:51pm PT
John said
I would also caution trying to make too much of this -- or any other -- local election.

Yes let's not make too much of this. It makes Republicans uncomfortable.
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 11, 2014 - 05:38pm PT
The lunatics are in control of the Republican Asylum.
This points to a Cruz or Paul nomination in '16.
The rest are too easy on immigration, Cantor's downfall.

Easy pickings for Hillary.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Jun 11, 2014 - 05:57pm PT


Remember, he's smarter than you.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 11, 2014 - 05:59pm PT
OMG!!!!!

He's drinking champagne!!!


STONE HIM!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Jun 11, 2014 - 06:01pm PT
We emailed Krugman for a comment on the quote and here's his explanation:

Well, two things.

First, look at the whole piece. It was a thing for the Times magazine's 100th anniversary, written as if by someone looking back from 2098, so the point was to be fun and provocative, not to engage in careful forecasting; I mean, there are lines in there about St. Petersburg having more skyscrapers than New York, which was not a prediction, just a thought-provoker.

But the main point is that I don't claim any special expertise in technology -- I almost never make technological forecasts, and the only reason there was stuff like that in the 98 piece was because the assignment required that I do that sort of thing. The issues about Bitcoin, however, are not technological! Everyone agrees that it's technically very sweet. But does it work as money? That's a very different kind of question.

And the fact that people are throwing around my 98 quote actually shows that they don't get this point -- that they're confusing technology with monetary economics.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/paul-krugman-responds-to-internet-quote-2013-12#ixzz34NldmCCK

Any other email forwards you get today, TGT?
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jun 11, 2014 - 06:07pm PT
The Ayn-Rand Loving Billionaires and Vast Right-Wing Machine Behind David Brat


David Brat's "surprise" win over Eric Cantor was in the works for years, and it has unaccountable, hard-to-trace money written all over it.

June 11, 2014 |
By Thom Hartmann

Dark money is flowing like water in Washington.

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, who has always been considered one of the more Conservative members of the House, lost in a primary to upstart Tea Party challenger David Brat.

Brat, an economics college professor, was vastly outraised by Cantor, and most polls leading up to the primary showed Cantor with a very comfortable lead.

In the immediate aftermath of last night’s shocker in Virginia, analysts have been saying Brat’s victory was just a fluke.

They couldn’t be more wrong.

Dave Brat’s victory wasn’t just a fluke, and he isn’t just some Tea Partying economics college professor from Virginia.

Both he and his victory have dark money written all over them.

Back in 2008 during America’s financial collapse, BB&T Bank was one of the many big banks that crashed. In order to stay afloat, that bank took a $3.1 billion bailout from the Bush administration.

At the helm of the bank at that time was John Allison, an Ayn Rand-loving CEO.

According to The Street, during his time as CEO of BB&T, Allison regularly used the BB&T Charitable Foundation, “to provide grants to schools that agree to create courses on capitalism that feature the study of ‘Atlas Shrugged.’”

Meanwhile, according to New York Magazine, Allison gave $500,000 to Randolph-Macon College to hire Dave Brat, so that he too could teach the Ayn Rand libertarian philosophy as an economics professor.

Shortly after BB&T accepted $3.1 billion government bailout from the Bush Administration, Allison resigned as CEO, and was picked up by Charles Koch, to become the new president of the Cato Institute, formerly known as the Charles Koch Foundation, and to keep spreading the work of Rand.

Much like the BB&T Charitable Foundation, Koch-allied groups like The Cato Institute have spent millions of dollars, putting college professors in economics departments across the country, so that they can spread the good word of Ayn Rand, and help create a libertarian paradise in America.

As ThinkProgress pointed out back in 2011, Florida State University’s economics department accepted a $1.5 million grant from the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, now the Cato Institute, which would provide funding for new professors, who would likely teach about Ayn Rand and libertarian economics.

Similarly, Koch-backed groups have given money to a number of other universities, including West Virginia University, George Mason University, Clemson University, and even the Ivy-League Brown University.

Basically, the Kochtopus is spending millions and millions of dollars, placing college professors in economics departments across the country, so that they can promote Ayn Rand and the libertarian philosophy to future generations of Americans.

So, Dave Brat is far more than just a college professor who beat Eric Cantor in a fluke of a primary.

He is a complete shill for Ayn Rand-loving libertarians and the Koch Brothers.

And he is apparently a graduate of the Kochtopus’ “Teach Ayn Rand in College, Do Well, and We’ll Send You to Washington” program.

more...
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/eric-cantors-upset-dark-portent-future-billionaires-dark-money-elections?paging=off¤t_page=1#bookmark
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 11, 2014 - 06:52pm PT
The problem:
"In a perfect world, the GOP would address the threats posed by these extremists with the same zeal they’re investigating the “truth” surrounding Benghazi. But they won’t. The hard truth is that the GOP can’t lose any of its shrinking base by alienating the lunatic fringe and their supporters, from the Ted Nugents to the Cliven Bundys to the white supremacists. You see, what we view as radicals, the GOP views as their last, best hope."


Remember in 2009, right at the start of the Obama era, when then-Secretary of Department of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano issued a report (PDF) entitled: “Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment”? The report was truly prescient. It alerted us to the rise of right-wing extremism, such as from white supremacist groups, and warned that unchecked, it could lead to violence.

How did Republicans respond? They went ballistic attacking the report. John Boehner was especially upset that Napolitano would use the term “terrorist” to “describe American citizens who disagree with the direction Washington Democrats are taking our nation,” adding, “using such broad-based generalizations about the American people is simply outrageous.”


Well, what have we seen since 2010? An explosion in the number of hate groups and a rash of domestic terrorist acts committed by those very right-wing groups Napolitano warned us about. Per the Southern Poverty Law Center, since 2010, there have been 32 instances of terrorism by far-right groups—that equals eight attacks per year. (Of course, citing the SPLC won’t move many on the right because they continually tell me on Twitter that the SPLC is biased. They’re correct, the SPLC is biased. Against bigotry.)

The attacks include a plot in 2011 by members of a Georgia militia group to bomb a federal building and release deadly ricin in Atlanta; an attack by a white supremacist on a Sikh temple in Wisconsin that killed six people; another white supremacist planting bombs at a Martin Luther King parade in Seattle; and numerous plots against or actual killings of law enforcement officers. And this list doesn’t even include the anti-government LAX gunman who killed a TSA officer and wounded another in November 2013, or the attack we saw this past weekend by Jerad and Amanda Miller, who executed two Las Vegas policemen and then tossed the Gadsden flag used by the Tea Party onto the dead officers’ bodies.

So how have Republicans responded to the rise of attacks by right-wing groups? By ignoring it and keeping their focus on foreign terrorists and Muslim-Americans. Perhaps the Republican members of Congress would find it instructive to reread the oath they took upon being sworn into office that provides in part: “I do solemnly swear to defend the United States…against all enemies, foreign and domestic.”

Republicans won’t investigate right-wing extremists because it would not only anger their base, it would actually indict some parts of it.

I’m sure they are fully aware of these words. The actual reason Republicans won’t investigate right-wing extremists is that it would not only anger their base, it would actually indict some parts of it. Let’s be honest: In a time when establishment Republicans are concerned about getting challenged in primaries by more conservative Tea Party types, calling for hearings to investigate right-wing organizations could be political suicide.

So instead, in 2011 and 2012 we saw Rep. Peter King hold five sets of hearings about the radicalization of Muslims when he was chair of the House Homeland Security Committee. I attended the first of these hearings and listened as Democratic members of the committee urged King to broaden his investigation to look at radicalization of Americans regardless of faith. They cited studies warning of a record number of right-wing hate groups and resurgence of anti-government chatter. But King wouldn’t have any of it.

We have seen similar tactics by Republicans in state legislatures. Instead of focusing on potential far-right groups in their state, they have passed laws intended to demonize Muslims because it plays to their base. In fact, just last month in Florida, an anti-sharia measure was signed into law by Gov. Rick Scott even though supporters admitted there hadn’t been even one instance of Muslims in Florida trying to impose Islamic law. Yet, in Florida there has been a documented upsurge in the Ku Klux Klan, with the group now boasting more than 1,000 members.

And some Republican elected officials have even implicitly given their blessings to the right-wing view that weapons may be needed to fight off an overreaching federal government. We saw this during the recent standoff between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and federal officers. Rand Paul and other GOP officials praised Bundy with full knowledge that there was in essence an armed militia of private citizens who had their guns trained on federal officers.

The threat of right-wing domestic terrorism is very real. In fact, just last week, the Department of Justice announced that it was reviving its domestic terrorism taskforce. As Attorney General Eric Holder explained, we must be vigilant in protecting Americans against the “danger we face from individuals within our own borders who may be motivated by a variety of other causes from anti-government animus to racial prejudice.”

It’s time that the GOP join in the fight against the threats posed to our nation by right-wing extremists. True, this could cause them problems with parts of their own political base, but saving American lives must trump politics.

In a perfect world, the GOP would address the threats posed by these extremists with the same zeal they’re investigating the “truth” surrounding Benghazi. But they won’t. The hard truth is that the GOP can’t lose any of its shrinking base by alienating the lunatic fringe and their supporters, from the Ted Nugents to the Cliven Bundys to the white supremacists. You see, what we view as radicals, the GOP views as their last, best hope.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Jun 11, 2014 - 06:54pm PT
TGT's dial-up modem on his Compaq 386 is a little slow...he'll be right back.
Ricky

climber
Sometimes LA
Jun 11, 2014 - 07:02pm PT
I would also caution trying to make too much of this -- or any other -- local election.

Cantor is an easy incumbent to run against intraparty, and Brat hardly even had to run against him, he just had to show up and not be a Second Amendment Remedy Tea Partier. Cantor is, well, just very unlikeable. I agree this district is not really in play for Dems, especially during a mid term. Unless Bart implodes, and he seem a little unprepared for his current position.
sandstone conglomerate

climber
sharon conglomerate central
Jun 11, 2014 - 07:03pm PT
godamnit, i keep seeing ted nugent's name popping up. who the hell would want ted nugent as a party spokesman?
crankster

Trad climber
Jun 11, 2014 - 07:25pm PT
Brat won because the right wing hate yakkers pitched him.
The crazies love that hate radio.

Being far-right is too moderate for the tea party.
Racist extremist. They will ruin the county if they aren't defeated.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Jun 11, 2014 - 07:54pm PT
I agree this district is not really in play for Dems
That's a reasonable guess.
Just as reasonable as thinking that there are enough reasonable Republicans who won't vote Tea Party. It will be very interesting.
The media have been digging through his record. Very recently in an interview he said he had no opinion on minimum wage.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Jun 11, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
actually, he does not believe there should be a minimum wage

he said yesterday that wages should be left to the "free market"

what the dumb ass Republican does not realize is doing away with the minimum wage would add millions more people, most adults with families, to the food stamp, section 8 housing, Medicaid, and general Welfare rolls

but then, being a dumb ass Republican, that would not occur to him
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