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new world order2

climber
Apr 24, 2013 - 09:21pm PT
Biden recently called to "create a New World Order".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1AMYHHAXhI


Comments.....anyone? Just a conspiracy theory?

You do realize the government (both wings) want to lower our standard of living to equal that of third world countries? Why do you think they're allowing so many to migrate here from said, 3rd world countries (be it illegal or not) ? Those folks are used to tyranny, and couldn't care less about the constitution. And they vote too.

Bah-ah-ah-ah....

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Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Apr 24, 2013 - 09:30pm PT
You need a new graphic.
new world order2

climber
Apr 24, 2013 - 09:43pm PT
How's this one?

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apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Apr 24, 2013 - 10:57pm PT
Is this racist? Or just funny? Educate me.



From the 'Don Quijote' store in the Roppongi area of Tokyo.
jghedge

climber
Apr 24, 2013 - 11:30pm PT
Just wondering if this has been mentioned on this thread yet

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/holy-coding-error-batman/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/18/us-global-economy-debt-herndon-idUSBRE93H0CV20130418


Basically this is a huge scandal in the field of economics - Harvard economists are basically being accused not just of error, but actual fraud, in presenting an argument for austerity that was found to have multiple errors that all pointed towards the same direction

Pretty amazing (and damning) stuff...once again, we see the extent to which conservatives will go to deny reality, even at the highest levels of economic research.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Apr 25, 2013 - 05:40am PT
two questions from somebody who is wrong about everything:

1) if obamacare is so great why do so many people want to avoid it--including the people WHO PASSED THE BILL?

2) why do libs want more government when even the government doesn't like what government does?

"The problem stems from whether members and aides set to enter the exchanges would have their health insurance premiums subsidized by their employer in this case, the federal government. If not, aides and lawmakers in both parties fear that staffers especially low-paid junior aides could be hit with thousands of dollars in new health care costs, prompting them to seek jobs elsewhere. Older, more senior staffers could also retire or jump to the private sector rather than face a big financial penalty.

Plus, lawmakers especially those with long careers in public service and smaller bank accounts are also concerned about the hit to their own wallets."

exit question: why are congress members concerned about their "wallets" when barry insists the law will "reduce healthcare costs"?
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Apr 25, 2013 - 05:46am PT
To answer Dr. F's original question:
They hate Americans.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-house-gop-20130425,0,3786225.story?gg

WASHINGTON As the new Congress began this year, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia sought to redefine the Republican Party as focused on "making life work" for ordinary Americans.

Surveys showed that the public had tired of the party of "no" as House Republicans fought President Obama. The party lost its opportunity to win the White House or take control of the Senate last fall, and saw its House majority shrink.

Cantor's approach echoed the "compassionate conservatism" of an earlier Republican era. In a speech at the American Enterprise Institute, he said the House majority would "pursue an agenda based on a shared vision of creating the conditions for health, happiness and prosperity for more Americans and their families."

That ambitious goal ran smack into political reality Wednesday as conservative lawmakers rejected a Republican bill to help Americans with preexisting health conditions gain access to insurance coverage.

Republican leaders had to abruptly yank the bill from consideration because they did not have enough votes from their rank and file to pass it. The episode was another example of the difficulty the Republican Party faces in corralling its unruly majority and finding a common message to attract voters.

Bookworm, even my Orange County Republican, cave man conservative friend is starting to like Obamacare. His son had brain surgery and he's getting a eyeful on how the present system works. He's starting to believe that maybe healthcare should not be a corporate profit center.
new world order2

climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 05:50am PT
Lawmakers, aides may get Obamacare exemption

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/obamacare-exemption-lawmakers-aides-90610.html

Both wings of the U.S. government are of the same bird. They are corrupt.

Wake the frig up!
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Apr 25, 2013 - 06:45am PT
You know NWO2 you are really borish and your commentary hackneyed in extreme.
All of what you sputtle on about has been known to the adults for several decades.
You are like Limbaugh all complaint and no substantive alternatives.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Apr 25, 2013 - 07:10am PT
Republicans love to talk principles and character. Talk is cheap. When scary things happen they seem not to actually have any principles except fear, violence and relying on big government totalitarianism.

new world order2

climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 08:13am PT
You know NWO2 you are really borish and your commentary hackneyed in extreme.
All of what you sputtle on about has been known to the adults for several decades.
You are like Limbaugh all complaint and no substantive alternatives.


Yes philo, I do come on a little strong. But only because what "has been known to the adults for several decades" is not known to the vast majority of the population.

And what of you? Are you ok with the same standards that apply to people in communist countries like China or North Korea, being applied to us/U.S.?

Are you ok with being implanted with RFIDs? You do know those units send and receive, don't you? And pulllllease, don't deny that we will all be chipped.

Alternatives?

How about ending the Fed, which really isn't Federal at all, but made up of off-shore banksters.

How about ending the militarization of police?

How about putting an end to GMO food, or at least labeling it so we can decide?

How about putting an end to adding fluoride to drinking water? You do know fluoride is a component of Prozac, don't you? Will you be ok with it, when they start adding lithium?

How about putting and end to corporate influence on government?

How about Ron Paul type folks who want to end our involvement in affairs that we have no right to be in, like the Middle East?

Yeah, there are alternatives, but they likely won't be accepted, because most folks love living in a nanny state, are too caught up staring at their iPhones, checking in on Facebook, or watching NASCAR.

The sheeple, are asleeple.

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bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:00am PT
"Bookworm, even my Orange County Republican, cave man conservative friend is starting to like Obamacare. His son had brain surgery and he's getting a eyeful on how the present system works. He's starting to believe that maybe healthcare should not be a corporate profit center."

i had brain surgery, too...total cost: $58,000

i paid $200 out-of-pocket for an extra mri ordered by may brain surgeon, who, by the way, was one of the highest rated specialists in the dc area...i also got a private room

the system worked just fine


if nothing else, you should be suspicious that DEMOCRATS who passed the bill are now trying to ensure for themselves an exemption from the law

remember when repubs tried to amend the bill to force members of congress to give up their health care and join a government approved plan? i'm sure you don't remember it because the democrats voted against it
jghedge

climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:05am PT

"He's starting to believe that maybe healthcare should not be a corporate profit center."

ObamaCare was only a start - the next step (indeed, the first one that should have been taken) is gov't cost controls on medical goods and services. Not controls on how much we pay, but on how much is actually allowed to be charged.

The moral (as well as economic) imperative is getting our health care costs near what other countries pay. We essentially pay twice as much for half the health care - and it's getting worse.
jghedge

climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 09:44am PT
"2) why do libs want more government when even the government doesn't like what government does?"

Answer:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/04/24/george-w-bushs-presidency-in-24-charts/?tid=pm_business_pop

Credit: jghedge

Note that health insurance premiums doubled under Bush

100% in 8 years under Bush vs.15% in 4 years under Obama


jghedge

climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 11:21am PT

"i had brain surgery, too"

"the system worked just fine"


I beg to differ
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 25, 2013 - 11:40am PT
Basically this is a huge scandal in the field of economics - Harvard economists are basically being accused not just of error, but actual fraud, in presenting an argument for austerity that was found to have multiple errors that all pointed towards the same direction

Pretty amazing (and damning) stuff...once again, we see the extent to which conservatives will go to deny reality, even at the highest levels of economic research

I found it disappointing, but not surprising, that Krugman provided neither data nor any of his own scholarship in support of his contention that high public debt doesn't inhibit growth. At least he was more circumspect about the effect of Herndon's study. There's a big difference between "discrediting" a study and an accusation of actual fraud, which neither Krugman nor any other published paper (or the two articles you cite) make.

"Scandal?" Hardly. Data errors and data selection issues are always an issue in econometric studies, which is why economists, such as Reinhart and Rogoff, provide their data to anyone who requests it -- unlike certain researchers in other fields.

My favorite data selection controversy was in Joe Bain's "Concentration/Profits" hypothesis, probably because it pit my undergraduate institution (Berkeley) against my grad school (UCLA). Bain (Berkeley) argued that the more concentrated an industry, the higher the profits. His original paper showed a statistically significant relationship between concentration, measured by the share of the market of the top four firms, and profits. He argued that profits were a surrogate for monopolistic behavior. This forms the intellectual basis for antitrust policy focusing on reducing concentration, and treating oligopolies as undesirable. It even led to truly silly theories such as the FTC's oxymoronic doctrine of "Shared Monopoly," popular there during the Carter administration.

Harold Demsetz (UCLA) demonstrated that Bain excluded all concentrated industries that did not demonstrate higher profits, and argued that the bases Bain gave for their exclusion amounted to an admission that his hypothesis simply didn't hold there. Bain fired back another paper, "The Concentration/Profits Hypothesis -- Reconfirmed" where he argued that the industries he excluded had intellectually defensible differences from industries generally. Demsetz responded with a paper demonstrating that the profits allegedly attributable to market power were correlated to economies of scale, not concentration. By then, Bain was past his prime, so others have since taken up the challenges.

I fully expect Reinhart and Rogoff to publish peer-reviewed studies demonstrating how, if at all, their conclusions are affected by Herndon's criticism.

John
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 25, 2013 - 12:01pm PT

Note that health insurance premiums doubled under Bush

100% in 8 years under Bush vs.15% in 4 years under Obama

and, back to you.....


oh, by the way

my own monthly heath premium went DOWN $80 a month along with my deductible being cut in half from 2500 to 1250

ALL because of that "hated" Obamacare regulation that insurers spend at least 85% of the incoming premiums on healthcare instead of "administration costs" (largely profit)

over two BILLION dollars has been refunded to paying individuals this way in only two yrs


oh but relax, enough ass hole Republican state governors care more about giving the finger to that black muslim President than they do their own state's poor by just saying "no" to expanded Medicaid

fuk em, just like all the old white bigots, eventually they die off
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 25, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
Meanwhile, back in the highly cooperative current administration:

"The Federal Aviation Administration claims the sequester spending cuts are forcing it to delay some 6,700 flights a day, but rarely has a bureaucracy taken such joy in inconveniencing the public.

Though the FAA says it is strapped for cash, the air traffic control agency managed to find the dollars to update its interactive "command center" tool on its website so passengers can check if their airports are behind schedule due to what it calls sequester-related "staffing" problems. Oklahoma Senator Tom Coburn noticed this rare case of FAA technological entrepreneurship and fired off a letter Wednesday protesting what he called the agency's 'full blown media rollout' to hype the flight delays.


That had zero impact on FAA bosses, who were on Capitol Hill rationalizing their dereliction. But after Mr. Coburn published his letter on his website, FAA regional employees wrote to blow the whistle on their bosses. As one email put it, the FAA management has stated in meetings that they need to make the furloughs as hard as possible for the public so that they understand how serious it is.

Strategies include encouraging union workers to take the same furlough day to increase congestion. 'I am disgusted with everything that I see since the sequester took place,' another FAA employee wrote. 'Whether in HQ or at the field level it is clear that our management has no intention of managing anything. The only effort that I see is geared towards generating fear and demonstrating failure.' Just so."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323789704578443142721189074.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_AboveLEFTTop

John
jghedge

climber
Apr 25, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
"There's a big difference between "discrediting" a study and an accusation of actual fraud, which neither Krugman nor any other published paper (or the two articles you cite) make."

Fraud is the most charitable of the 2 causes that can be inferred here - the other one being incompetence. If they really were this incompetent, it defies belief that they could have risen as far in academia as they did.



"I fully expect Reinhart and Rogoff to publish peer-reviewed studies demonstrating how, if at all, their conclusions are affected by Herndon's criticism."


R & R's own work actually disproves their own conclusions, as does Herndon's paper, so that work is already done.

Why waste time peer-reviewing something that is demonstrably false?
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 25, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
If there a actual point you are trying to make with your Sequester FAA post, John?

oh yeah, must be some new criticism you just pulled out of your ass, this time the Obama Administration is not being "cooperative" enough.....

but you fuking never level of of your reasoned intellect at the massive role YOUR beloved House Republicans had in fuking cheering, delighting, on the house floor over finally getting their way and "cutting spending"


but keep on throwing peanuts at the Democrats, John

that's all you got, there is not a god damn "good" thing to talk about the party you vote for

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