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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
May 23, 2014 - 12:39am PT
Jelarian...Obama is too busy playing roundball....Wait till he finds out about Benghazi
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
May 23, 2014 - 12:43am PT
Obama is in his sixth year of office and the first he hears about the VA problems is in the newspaper? I'm tired of his calls for accountability in his administration. It's time for some responsibility.

There's no way I'm going to vote for him in the next presidential election.


jammer

climber
May 23, 2014 - 01:07am PT
The republicans defund the VA, then blame Obama for the VA's failure to do it's job, and because Obamacare was supposedly claimed to have been based on the VA's model, this supplies their vile little reptilian minds with some convoluted argument that Obamacare is based on a faulty model. It's laughable. What is even more laughable is the folks who defend this kind of sh#t and still expect society to treat them as having integrity, being honest, and generally being worthy of being treated like any other human. These people are a joke.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
May 23, 2014 - 06:30am PT
Some Republicans -- e.g. me -- also suggested the VA as a model for health care for those unable to pay for their own. Of course it won't be as good as a higher-cost system, but with any scarce commodity, you get what you pay for. The idea that congressional action excuses the current VA scandal should make Harry Truman turn over in his grave. The buck now doesn't even stop in the executive branch for failures of execution.

John
Larry Nelson

Social climber
May 23, 2014 - 09:38am PT
I may have commented on this thread once or twice, but generally avoid it.
But here goes.

This thread is a perfect illustration of a general inability to respectfully disagree on public policies. Hysterical hyperbole, strawmen and ad hominems are the norm.
Are republicans wrong alot? Yes indeed. Are democrats the saviors of all? No way. Does the truth lie somewhere in between? I believe it does.

What doesn't seem to be discussed on this thread is that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, regardless of party affiliation. The way I see it is that more and more power is centralized in Washington DC than ever before. Of the 10 wealthiest counties in America today, 7 or 8 surround Washington DC. After about 10 years of sitting in congress, with a congressman's modest salary, most of these "public servants", of both parties, become millionaires. This was exposed in a "60 Minutes" feature a few years ago and the report was based on a book called "Throw Them All Out". Both parties are fleecing us while we of the middle class argue.

http://www.amazon.com/Throw-Them-All-Peter-Schweizer/dp/B00AK2Z2KQ

When I was young and idealistic, like most young people I thought I had all the answers. Reality bitch slaps that away very quickly, but some truths always remain.
One of those truths is to question authority. Without that principle, this country would still be a colony. I see very little of that from those whose "team" is in power.


Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 23, 2014 - 11:17am PT
John and Larry are perfect examples of the misinformed public.
They read and listen to headlines, and somehow get the belief that that is the end of the story
Never do they have the intellectual curiosity to look below the headlines to see the root cause of the problem,

Especially John, since it would shatter his fairy tale belief that the Republicans are the good guys.

What root cause?
DEFUNDING of these programs by the Republicans

Instead
Their small minds go directly to the current propaganda - "They are all the same, they are all to blame"

"Why didn't Obama take care of this before, he said he was the King of the World and would fix everything, he is a failure and liar."

It's a sad state of affairs, when so called smart people can't seem to fend off the BS and see the truth below the right wing machine of destruction of Obama and the Dems.


Did I ever say the Dems are Perfect??
Hell No, but to have a campaign of lies that they use against them is despicable, and I will always stand against liars and do everything I can to expose them and the evil that they lie in bed with.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 23, 2014 - 11:22am PT
Is this Propaganda

Throw them all Out!!!

Yes, fabricated by small minds, and Plutocrats

and who would fill the ranks if we threw them all out?
The folks with the most money, the Koch Brothers

They would just buy our Government
and it would be a perfect Right Wing Fascist Paradise, just what they wanted all along.
Like Somalia, rigged markets, small Government, no pesky regulations, no LEOs, etc

And we can all have our AR-15s straped on to go to the market, or maybe we can hire some security when we go to the crags, since we can't carry them up the routes. To heavy.


Why not throw out the Bought Off Politicians
and keep the ones that actually work for their constituents
How about a Gov. not bought off by the highest bidders
How about a smart Gov.

Well, only the Dems are working for the People.
The Republicans are only working for the rich and lobbyists, the more money, the better.
Larry Nelson

Social climber
May 23, 2014 - 11:35am PT
Dr F
Thanks for making my points about hyperbole, strawmen and ad hominems to say nothing about not questioning the authority of those in power.
Continue on, I am out.
PS: Try decaf.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
May 23, 2014 - 11:53am PT
JE wrote: Obama is in his sixth year of office and the first he hears about the VA problems is in the newspaper? I'm tired of his calls for accountability in his administration. It's time for some responsibility.

John


Do you have a link for your above statement/opinion??
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 23, 2014 - 11:57am PT
How's this
Obama is the best Republican President we ever had.
Too bad the Republicans have declared War on him,

why do they refuse to work with him?
Why do they refuse to work with any of the Dems
Why do they put politics above what's good for the country and people?

I am just waiting for the Dems to finally figure out that we are in a war, and we are losing.
We will have to start fighting back harder than them, the cost of losing is too high.
dirtbag

climber
May 23, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
As usual, Dr. F is bluntly stating some uncomfortable truths: that the right wing machine only pretends to care about ordinary Americans, and that "the other side does it too" theme is baseless and intellectually lazy.

For stating that, F is often maligned. I greatly appreciate his tireless efforts here.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
May 23, 2014 - 12:04pm PT
"What doesn't seem to be discussed on this thread is that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, regardless of party affiliation."

You obviously haven't been a regular follower of this thread. That kind of observation & comment has been made nearly as regularly as any hyperbolic ad hominems.

That is to say, you are speaking the obvious, and most any reasonably intelligent American knows this to be true. Question is, what are you going to do about it? Check out completely, or take political action in the ways that you can?
jammer

climber
May 23, 2014 - 12:10pm PT
Larry, no one here has all the answers, nor do I believe they claim to, myself included.

Do you know what "state sanctioned redlining" is? I ask because a necessary republican background assumption, at least for the GOP, is that the world, at least America, provides equal opportunity to all it's citizens. So, what is "state sanctioned redlining"?

As for questioning Obama, whats there to question? Almost all current policy is left over from Bush, since the GOP have literally fillibustered every single piece of legislation which did not pander directly to them, and by that I mean every piece of legislation that did not give them EVERYTHING they want, right down to the subtle little details. Seriously, go back and review contemporary politics...


Edited to add: regarding Obama, Obamacare is not too shabby so far, and given this is America, if we elect politicians who will actually do their jobs, perhaps after the next election cycle it can be REALLY good. Wake up, Larry.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
Maestro, Ecosystem Ministry, Fatcrackistan
May 23, 2014 - 12:20pm PT
For stating that, F is often maligned.

Dr F grows on you over time.... Carry on Dr. F, there'll be peace when you are done

DMT
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 23, 2014 - 12:24pm PT
I come and go
But I will carry on

It's just too important

every vote against them is important

They are the direct cause of our impending doom as what was once the Best Country on the Planet

all you have to do is listen to what their ideas for the future are, and look back at what they did when in power, and what they are now using their power to do(obstruct).

Everything they say they would do was a lie, where are the jobs?, the prosperity for normal folks, it's all scorched earth policies instead

All they have now are the fake scandals their leaders told them to rage on for the day, hoping that people will think the current admin. is somehow a failure, it's laughable that they would be concerned with these things, since the Republican scandals dealing with some of the same items were 1000 times worse, and they didn't say a peep about them.
Randisi

Social climber
Dalian, Liaoning
May 23, 2014 - 12:24pm PT
As usual, Dr. F is bluntly stating some uncomfortable truths: that the right wing machine only pretends to care about ordinary Americans, and that "the other side does it too" theme is baseless and intellectually lazy.

That may be so. But it is true.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
May 23, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
what liberalism hath wrought:

http://nypost.com/2014/05/22/nyc-says-this-girl-is-fat/
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - May 23, 2014 - 12:57pm PT
Bookworm
have you ever thought that it would fun to engage in a conversation
rather than dumping and running

What does being a liberal have to do with calling someone fat
moron

And please tell us all the good thing conservatism has been doing for you these days
like cutting education funding, that must feel good, right?
Larry Nelson

Social climber
May 23, 2014 - 02:40pm PT
Apogee,
I guess I have always been a Capt. Obvious to some degree. Like Lily Tomlin once said: "All my life I wanted to be somebody. Now I realize I should have been more specific".

Jammer,
Redlining...discrimination in housing loans (or other services) based on race or other factors.

No group in America has a bigger cross to bear than the black man. The legacy of slavery will curse this country far past those that enslaved the same race as themselves (Which continues in many parts of the world). Unfortunately, race hustlers and bigots of all races need each other. Part of the human condition.


My issue with Obama is that we have the most progressive president in our history and he bails out the corrupt and unethical, sharks and snakes, of the big banks and Wall St. with taxpayer money. Capitalism without bankruptcy is like religion without Hell.

Dr F.
I see that you are really passionate about politics. I am not. I loathe politicians of both major parties.
I'd like to apologize for my decaf snark.(I use my real name here)

I have read good points and links from both sides on this thread, but I gave up trying to save the world back in my early 20's. Since then I just try to treat everyone with respect and live my life responsibly. I think I am on the wrong forum thread.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
May 23, 2014 - 03:47pm PT
Dr F grows on you over time....

Larry,

Dr. F. is obviously speaking often with his tongue firmly in his cheek. The way he titled this thread and its predecessors told me that, and meeting him in person confirmed that he is far more sophisticated and fair than his persona is sometimes here.

While this thread often has a high signal-to-noise ratio, we sometimes have substantive policy discussions amid the jousting. I hope you stay on this thread, because you obviously recognize the basic truth that neither party has a monopoly on either virtue or vice.

I particularly like your comment about bankruptcy and capitalism. As someone with an advanced degree in economics (from the University of Chicago at Los Angeles) and more than 30 years experience as a bankruptcy lawyer, I think an economic system's bankruptcy mechanism matters more to overall prosperity than most people realize.

Our insolvency laws have their share of transactions costs (from which I, among others, get paid) and inefficiencies, but compared with most of the rest of the world, redirect assets into more productive hands rather well. When the government props up companies that would otherwise be bankrupt, it too often perpetuates suboptimal situations. In my less-than-humble opinion, much of the pain of our current, dismal, recovery comes about precisely because we've tried to avoid the necessary, but disruptive, economic changes we need to move ahead.

John

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