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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 9, 2013 - 10:26pm PT
just ignore the bitter ignorant little dumb fuk


everyone else does


Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Apr 9, 2013 - 11:00pm PT
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/im_a_republican_not_an_idiot_20130409/

I’m a Republican, Not an Idiot

Posted on Apr 9, 2013

Pioneering Lancaster, Calif., Mayor R. Rex Parris wants his city to generate more power from renewable energy than it consumes. In fact, he wants the dusty, desert town to be the solar power capital of the universe. And he’s a Republican.

“I may be a Republican. I’m not an idiot,” Parris tells The New York Times, when asked whether he thinks global warming is a threat. It’s not such a ridiculous question, when one considers the GOP’s long denial of climate change and its love affair with fossil fuels. This is no longer the party of Teddy Roosevelt, who loved the great outdoors and championed national parks, or Richard Nixon, another Californian and the president who created the Environmental Protection Agency.

Parris may use a harsh word to describe the majority view of his party, but he’s not far off. Science is overwhelming on the subject, and beyond that there is obvious wealth to be garnered from the emerging renewable energy industry. As the Times points out, Lancaster has an unemployment rate of 15.5 percent, more than double the national rate. Solar power is as much a jobs issue as it is an environmental one.

Although California is a very blue state, the interior has always been Republican country. As that party seeks ways to reinvent itself, it might look to its own past and a few characters from its present—people who are Republicans, but not idiots.


Actually… you still are an idiot along with the rest of your party….

Even with this guy on the republitard side… they still smell bad and don't deserve my vote.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 10, 2013 - 10:15am PT
Loyalty is among the most powerful characteristics of the left wing authoritarian personality, which of course is the best way to describe the political left wing.

Two words: Ronald Reagan

The guy is worshiped by the right. His legacy has become a mythology completely inconsistent with the facts - e.g. he raised taxes and massively increased the deficit and yet he regarded as a fiscal savior.

There's no politician on the left that has the loyal following that Reagan does.

Most on the far left don't even like Obama.

And then there's Limbaugh...

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Apr 10, 2013 - 11:57am PT
The Reagan worship is a good example of the right's belief in ideological mythology. If it was ideological truth that held an interest to them they would have cast Reagun to the wolves by now...... but then all they would have left is Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand, and they are just a little too Icky by anyones standards.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 10, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
The Reagan worship is a good example of the right's belief in ideological mythology


what exactly is there is "worship" about Reagan anyway

the guy tripled the national debt

and he did it by SPENDING hugely

he also sided with South Africa's DeKlerk and his oppressive and racist Apartheid policy
while at the same time saying he opposed segregation


by the way, all he did was speak some words urging the Berlin wall to be torn down,
the disintegration of the Soviet Union was well under way and he had nothing to do with it


Like all Republicans, he had a "problem" with the truth, facts

"Facts are funny things"
Ronald Reagan

Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 10, 2013 - 12:39pm PT
My town actually has a Reagan fan club:

http://www.pe.com/local-news/riverside-county/temecula/temecula-headlines-index/20110705-temecula-ronald-reagan-celebrated-at-vail-lake-resort.ece

Hundreds braved the heat Saturday to celebrate the 100th birthday of former President Ronald Reagan at Vail Lake Resort in Temecula.
Nohea

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:01pm PT
I was just reading some Hillary and came across this quote that reminded me of earlier statements about how does the debt harm us....from 2010

I think our rising debt level…poses a national security threat, and poses a national security threat in two ways. It undermines our capacity to act in our own interest, and it does constrain us where constraint may be undesirable. And it also sends a message of weakness internationally.

just wish they would do more than talk.

Beautiful day over here, biked to work, sun shining, touch of cool trades
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:24pm PT
So I look in this afternoon and see this gem:

just ignore the bitter ignorant little dumb fuk

Norton. Whoever you are... Was that directed at me?

I ask because while we often disagree I make an effort to keep it clean. I don't say things on the forum that I would not feel comfortable voicing in person. Would you make a remark like that to my face??

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:29pm PT
just wish they would do more than talk

No need given it's such a tired 'the sky is falling' meme...



And if you're really concerned about it then the best solution is to insure republicans and 'conservatives' don't get the kind of moronic carte blanche to wreck the economy that Reagan, Bush Sr., and W had.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:30pm PT
The "bitter ignorant little dumb fuk" was most likely directed at bookworm.

Unfortunately, the description does hit the mark.
Gary

Social climber
Desolation Basin, Calif.
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:37pm PT
Kris, that description fits me a lot better than it fits you! Yeah, I think Dave is right, it's aimed at bookworm.
moosedrool

climber
Stair climber, lost, far away from Poland
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:39pm PT
bitter ignorant little dumb fuk

BILDF

Brilliant!
ontheedgeandscaredtodeath

Social climber
SLO, Ca
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:40pm PT
Bookworm gives me the internet creeps. Always just sort of weird.
Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:43pm PT
Unfortunately, the description does hit the mark.

You're pretty loose with your lips there. It actually amazes me that you would pass off a remark like that, not knowing me at all. But perhaps the idea that you, the great mastermind that you are, could actually get along with a person whose opinions differ from yours is just too much to comprehend.

Sad really.

edit: Whatever. Couldn't let that shot go unanswered I'm sure you understand.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:45pm PT
Gary,

I'm not sure at whom that description was aimed, but it certainly fits neither you nor Kris nor, to my mind, bookworm, whose sources and references demonstrate a level of knowledge that contraindicates using ignorance as his descriptor.

I think Norton was just saying, in effect, "Don't let the turkeys get you down," but in a way designed to elicit inflamed responses. Put in Forumspeak: It's a Troll!

John
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:51pm PT
Kris, I wasn't talking about you. I meant that Norton's description of bookworm hit the mark (of bookworm.) Sorry for the poor wording.


Bookworm's posts go beyond the point of simply having a strong opinion. Like ontheedge said above, his posts display a level of bitterness that strikes me as a tad "creepy."

So Kris, if we ever cross paths (I think I did see you once at New Jack City...), I'd consider it a privilege to shake your hand and would like to buy you a beer.

(I'd also like to meet bookworm someday, but more out of curiosity...)


Ksolem

Trad climber
Monrovia, California
Apr 10, 2013 - 03:57pm PT
Yeah well first I got trolled, even though perhaps the hook was meant for another fish. Then I thought I got suckerpunched by Kos, which actually got under my skin a bit... Glad to see I was wrong :-)

I'll close out this rather unusual exchange by saying that I have met and hung out with Gary, and while we might not see the world quite the same way I would never ever call him bitter or ignorant or dumb. I respect his opinions as well thought out, and if we were to spend some time at it I would hope and expect that we would each learn something one from another. That is the point of dialogue is it not?
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 10, 2013 - 04:01pm PT
John E displays a level of tolerance and patience that I admire.

...but I know I'll never have myself.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 10, 2013 - 08:09pm PT
John E.
you never got back to me on your argument against single payer

Just take it as a single issue, what do you think about it?

Yes or No,
Government Health Care Insurance, like Medicare, that we pay through our taxes: plus you can still buy all the private health care insurance you want!!!, and you don't have to change Doctors

Or only private Health Care Insurance for everyone under 65, like the Republican have demanded that it will be the only option for all Americans

I can only see it that "My Freedoms" are being taken away, My options are being obstructed by Republicans, why can't we have what we want, and you can have your system, that costs more,
Why Not?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 10, 2013 - 08:18pm PT
Dr. F The present medical establishment is every bit of the robber baron trust's that Teddy Roosevelt broke up in the early 20th century. Single payer will not work as well as a model regulated like utilities, with subsidies for the poor, and a FERC equivalent to monitor and approve all pricing from cotton swabs, to medical procedures, to insurance rates.
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