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Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 12:20pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 12:51pm PT
Lessons From a Comeback
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: March 31, 2013 NY Times

Modern movement conservatism, which transformed the G.O.P. from the moderate party of Dwight Eisenhower into the radical right-wing organization we see today, was largely born in California. The Golden State, even more than the South, created today’s religious conservatism; it elected Ronald Reagan governor; it’s where the tax revolt of the 1970s began. But that was then. In the decades since, the state has grown ever more liberal.

As a result, the reign of the Governator aside, California has been solidly Democratic since the late 1990s. And ever since the political balance shifted, conservatives have declared the state doomed. Their specifics keep changing, but the moral is always the same: liberal do-gooders are bringing California to its knees.

A dozen years ago, the state was supposedly doomed by all its environmentalists. You see, the eco-freaks were blocking power plants, and the result was crippling blackouts and soaring power prices. “The country’s showcase state,” gloated The Wall Street Journal, “has come to look like a hapless banana republic.”

But a funny thing happened on the road to collapse: it turned out that the main culprit in the electricity crisis was deregulation, which opened the door for ruthless market manipulation. When the market manipulation went away, so did the blackouts.

Undeterred, a few years later conservatives found another line of attack. This time they said that liberal big spending and overpaid public employees were bringing on collapse.

And the state has indeed spent the past few years facing a severe fiscal crunch. When the national housing bubble burst, California was hit especially hard, and the combined effects of the plunge in home prices and the economic downturn led to sharply reduced revenue. Once more there were gleeful pronouncements of imminent doom: California, declared one pundit after another, is America’s Greece.

Again, however, reports of the state’s demise proved premature. Unemployment in California remains high, but it’s coming down — and there’s a projected budget surplus, in part because the implosion of the state’s Republican Party finally gave Democrats a big enough political advantage to push through some desperately needed tax increases. Far from presiding over a Greek-style crisis, Gov. Jerry Brown is proclaiming a comeback.

Needless to say, the usual suspects are still predicting doom — this time from the very tax hikes that are closing the budget gap, which they say will cause millionaires and businesses to flee the state. Well, maybe — but serious studies have found very little evidence either that tax hikes cause lots of wealthy people to move or that state taxes have any significant impact on growth.

So what do we learn from this history of doom deferred?

I’m not suggesting everything in California is just fine. Unemployment — especially long-term unemployment — remains very high. California’s longer-term economic growth has slowed, too, mainly because the state’s limited supply of buildable land means high housing prices, bringing an era of rapid population growth to an end. (Did you know that metropolitan Los Angeles has a higher population density than metropolitan New York?) Last but not least, decades of political paralysis have degraded the state’s once-superb public education system. So there are plenty of problems.

The point, however, is that these problems bear no resemblance to the death-by-liberalism story line the California-bashers keep peddling. California isn’t a state in which liberals have run wild; it’s a state where a liberal majority has been effectively hamstrung by a fanatical conservative minority that, thanks to supermajority rules, has been able to block effective policy-making.

And that’s where things get really interesting — because the era of hamstrung government seems to be coming to an end. Over the years, California’s Republicans moved right as the state moved left, yet retained political relevance thanks to their blocking power. But at this point the state’s G.O.P. has fallen below critical mass, losing even its power to obstruct — and this has left Mr. Brown free to push an agenda of tax hikes and infrastructure spending that sounds remarkably like the kind of thing California used to do before the rise of the radical right.

And if this agenda is successful, it will have national implications. After all, California’s political story — in which a radicalized G.O.P. fell increasingly out of touch with an increasingly diverse and socially liberal electorate, and eventually found itself marginalized — is arguably playing out with a lag on the national scene too.

So is California still the place where the future happens first? Stay tuned.

well said Paul

rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
O.K. Dr., to your credit you have scratched the surface- hell it is a beginning.May i suggest to you however, that you could get a similar if not more superficially glowing Bio on George W. Bush from wikipedia. We all know the treasonous acts of his administration, even his dad could not defend him without tears in his eyes and i believe those tears represented the conflict in seniors mind over his love of country and horrendous crimes his son, who he could not help but love, inflicted on the country.

Dig a little deeper Dr. Follow the money through her immediate and extended family.Compare her legislation ,in respect to who it benefits and who is waived from its effects, to the spider web of the family finances and her campaign support.

Here is a beginning list of problems i think we can discuss, without resorting to stupid party bickering ,and find solutions we can agree on:1) Healthcare- the system has run amok, the costs have long ago gotten out of control, because of unaffordability many are excluded from proper healthcare, there is a shortage of doctors, nurses and facilities
2) Free trade-although in the short term the american consumer benefited from decreased costs of goods purchased in the long term our good paying manufacturing jobs were off shored thereby putting downward pressure on middle class wages and purchasing power.
3)We are broke, actually beyond broke. This not only puts our national defense on shaky ground but it also assures harder times to come with decreased standards of living and lost opportunity for our generations to come. Yes we have a revenue and spending problem.
4) Our legislative branch of government is as disfunctional as any time in history. Although we haven't had a budget for four years the pork barrel spending continues out of control, out of the public eye, by way of new legislative procedures such as "hotlining".


I don't have time for a comprehensive list of all issues afflicting our country so perhaps other good posters can add to the list. Let's talk about these problems and see if we can come up with a rational "climbers political platform" that we can agree on as a start for correcting what ails us.Let's leave the venomous party politics out of it and instead concentrate on individual pols whose actions harm us all. Anyone game?

Please excuse me as i'll probably be leaving in a short while on an exploration tour to east central Nevada. I'll check in when i get back

jghedge

climber
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:14pm PT
McConnell: Speculation Of The Future Is Proof Of Failure

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/03/31/mitch-mcconnell-on-obamacares-failed-promises/2028635/


"The non-partisan Society of Actuaries last week said that because of Obamacare, insurers could pay an average of 32% more for medical claims. Those costs will be passed onto those who buy insurance on the individual market in the form of dramatically higher premiums."

"The new report is further proof that this law is failing to deliver on its promises..."


Hahahahaha, only in Repub fantasy World is something that could happen offered up as "further proof".

All it's further proof of is how desperate he is.

Probably the weirdest repub political phenomenon is the spectacle of the Senator from the 2nd poorest state in the nation thinking he is qualified to lecture anyone about anything involving business and economics.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 01:30pm PT
1) Healthcare- liberals want Single Payer, Republicans will never let it happen, they want us to pay more to the insurance Companies
They wouldn't even let us have a Public Option, so there would be a true competitive Market, the system is rigged, and can't be fixed as long as Republicans can obstruct.
We will go to single payer, it's just a matter of time till we rid the Gov. of the dinosaurs working for greed. Until then, we will pay way too much for a crappy system.

2) Free trade- Just proves that Clinton and Obama are not liberals or socialists, but actually right of center, get rid of all Republicans and the shift will be away from the damages of free trade

3)We are broke- mostly propaganda, we have to spend to get back to a surplus. But WHO spent all the Money -The Republicans, they spend and borrow, and then refuse to pay it back, we could pay back the debt in 10 years if it wasn't for the obstruction by Republicans by raising taxes, cutting spending where it counts, and closing loop holes, all which will never happen with Republicans able to obstruct

4) Our legislative branch of government is as disfunctional- because of Republican Obstructionism, and a whacked out conservative SCOTUS

Do you know anything about the Republican obstruction, or do you feign ignorance for cognitive dissonance issues you have.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:35pm PT
well there it is Doc.. You CAN NOT break free of the FARRRRR left. Obama has been in office for five years now.. NOTHING has improved in the finnances of the country and in fact are worse. But you go ahead with your blanket REPUBLICAN exuses. One of these days youll realize that horse you feed love and ride was actually a trojan...
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
rong, you have no idea how wrong you are, do you?

Blanket Republican excuses???
Compared to your blind blame on everything the far right media says
"Obama didn't keep his promises!"

Pathetic ignorance at the deepest levels
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
Hedge, just when i was beginning to have hope for you, you start again on this stupid trashing of the party you seem to be programmed to hate.You are doing just what those that are dismantling this country want;the diversionary blame game and whipping up hatred to mask their activities. I know their is a mind in that gourd of yours-free it from its chains.

Did you know that the global warming scare is almost exclusively based on computer modeling and the projected temp and sea level increases consistently come in (in the real world of real measurement) at or below the low end of projections.

Did you know the polar Bear was on the verge of being placed on the endangered species list because of projections by computer modeling in spite of the population being higher than anytime since they began monitoring it?

Do you see my point Hedge
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
It's impossible to keep a promise when a team of people with more power than you block the implementation of the promises, now isn't it.
Or do you not understand how reality works?
Credit: Dr. F.

Veterans jobs bill- blocked
Infrastructure rebuilding- blocked
education-blocked
911 first responders health care-blocked

single payer-blocked
climate change-blocked
green jobs-blocked
getting rid of the tax credits for companies that off shore to China-blocked
getting rid of the $4 billion a year Gov. subsidies to Oil Companies-blocked
stimulus packages to put people to work-blocked
ridding us of the Medicare Part D that costs an extra $650 billion a year which is a subside to big Pharma-blocked
Abuse of Women bill-blocked
Rights for gays-blocked

yet they are busy writing bills to restrict abortion, stopping gays from marrying and getting rid of the protections that Obama care provides

These people don't care about Humans, they care about giving money away to their cronies and watching us suffer.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:42pm PT
I bag on BOTH parties. They are BOTH responsible for the most ineffective govt weve ever had. the biggest stumbling blocks are folks like harry ried-tard. A power hungry malingerer that has sat in washington watchig his state hit the bottom of the nations economy,, and somehow, you think he works well for America? He cant even help Nevada. But he really made an ass of himself the other day when he tried to blame the deaths of 7 Marines on the sequester bullsheet. Talk about DESPERATE!
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
Now good Dr., as you well know our dear leader had two full years with total control of the legislative branch where he passed every job creating measure his congress could muster. The people saw the early results and rejected it.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 01:53pm PT
Now good Dr., as you well know our dear leader had two full years with total control of the legislative branch where he passed every job creating measure his congress could muster. The people saw the early results and rejected it
This is 100% BS
what 2 years?, what jobs bills were passed that people rejected?

We never had a 60 filibuster proof majority, we had only 58, google it.
so we had to dilute the bills to get some Repubs to agree to vote with the Dems, and of course the Repubs poisoned the bills to make them ineffective, all for a couple Republican votes. Who do they work for? Not America, that's for sure.

You are just trying to fill in your ignorance with lies provided by the right wing media

What the people rejected was the lies and Obstruction.

They want the Republicans to come to their senses and get busy fixing the mess they made.
We could put millions to work tomorrow if it wasn't for the Republicans, they will not allow that to happen, FACT.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
NOTHING has improved in the finnances of the country and in fact are worse.

Huh? How do you figure? We've had slow but steady job growth for the last two years and the Dow hit an all time high a short time ago.

Nothing means zero. How is improvement zero?

Let me guess, you're going to cite something that's underperforming and use it as an example of how nothing has improved...
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:55pm PT


http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/03/25/nixon-has-won-watergate/2019443/
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
No Brandon,, ill just cite the Record that Obama has broken in the deficit..Things arent better.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 01:59pm PT
No Brandon,, ill just cite the Record that Obama has broken in the deficit..Things arent better.

poor ignorant rong

the deficit is Lower
The debt is higher, you moron

But please, cite the record for us.


Did you bother reading the cut and pastes

Bush II wars and tax cuts created 1/2 of all the debt, Reagan and Bush I created most of the rest,
and Obama's debt is a direct cause of Bush's wars, Bush's tax rates that the Republicans refuse to adjust, and Bush's recession.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Apr 1, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
They are sure as hell better here. New construction is way up. Not booming, but pretty darn good. Unemployment is significantly down. It can be better, but it's a far sight better than it was two or three years ago.

Sorry if you live in a backwater that doesn't react to the economic trends much of the rest of the country is feeling. But, that's your fault, not the governments.

I really hate dogpiling on you Ron, but a lot of what you say is incorrect. Don't get all butthurt, ok?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 02:02pm PT
Doc they are both one and the same.. Tied to each other just like sewer/water bills... Give up on the semantics.

Plain fact is,,,"we's broke"...


edit: Brandon, heres a little economy lesson about Nevada. It is based on tourism, and luxury spending. ie: excess cash. When there is none, the state suffers greatly. Call us the litmus paper of the economy if youd like, as that is what we are for the most. The ONLY good economy here is Elko- and that is due to inflated gold prices.


ps,, impossible for me to be butthurt here.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 1, 2013 - 02:10pm PT
rong
I guess what you are saying is you have given up on critical thinking

It's all the same, they all do it, they are all bad, right?

My opinion,
too bad you are just too lazy to figure it out, and now really, you are just part of the problem.


Hi Brandon
It's good to see you here
Keep up the good work
:)

What do you think about the 2 sides being the same?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Apr 1, 2013 - 02:18pm PT
Doc,, ive given politics more thought in the last ten years than the rest of my life. You went on and on abut the deficit/debt as to drive a point of how wrong i was and that about a technicality of semantics. The debt occurs due to payment manipulations of the deficit. And vic-versa. It is well explained in wiki. It all comes from the same coin purse.
Obama now wants all manner of govt spending.. The debt ceiling, which he wants disolved is exactly what he called irresponsible when running for election. Im sorry but that is a very glaring inconsistnet and important factor in trust.

edit: bucnha back deleting demmys lol!;-)
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