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philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Apr 7, 2014 - 01:20pm PT
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bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Apr 7, 2014 - 03:37pm PT
minimum wage (and a war on women) for thee, but not for me:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/06/obama-looks-to-close-wage-gap-while-paying-female-staffers-less-than-men/?advD=1248,657950
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Apr 7, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
lies and damn lies:

http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/07/committee-staff-report-no-progressive-groups-were-targeted-by-irs/



(and statistics for the global warmists)
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Apr 7, 2014 - 03:42pm PT
but, but, but "dissent IS patriotic" according to pelosi, et al.


http://www.ocregister.com/articles/media-608400-many-one.html


jammer

climber
Apr 7, 2014 - 03:49pm PT
In the hopes that you will actually discuss something, bookworm, you wrote:

but it's NOT illegal or unconstitutional (though i do think it's unamerican)...mozilla and all other private corporations have the right and freedom to hire and fire anyone they please (i'll go libertarian, here, and say that includes using race as a factor) just like they have the right and freedom to fire somebody for supporting gay marriage

as a conservative, i think it's stupid and bad for business to make such decisions or to let public opinion drive such decisions

of course, my biggest annoyance arises from mozilla's (and the libs in their bleachers) insistence that they promote "tolerance" and "diversity"

So firing a guy because he is intolerant, for no rational reason, of gay people is on the same level as firing someone for being gay or religious or any other thing which is independent of the quality of work they do and their ability to interact with others in a professional environment? Do you really not see the difference? Do you really not see the difference between intolerance of random things, and intolerance of intolerance of random things? Seriously? You have to be kidding me...
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 7, 2014 - 04:59pm PT
Does bookworm know that Winston Smith never lived?

Yeah, the Winston Smith tagline makes no sense. It's just lame.

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 7, 2014 - 05:13pm PT
bookworm posted

Your article states that no groups with the WORD "progressive" in their title were nixed. The original (and subsequently proven, false) complaint was not that groups with the WORD "conservative" in their title were "unfairly targeted for extra scrutiny" but that conservative oriented groups were targeted. Nowhere have ever seen a count or complaint structured like your article structures it and is contrived beyond belief. Who would have thought that one could read propaganda such as this in the Daily Caller?

For those who didn't follow the story to the end, it turned out that the complaints were premature, that only 1/3 of the groups scrutinized were "conservative minded" and that those were roughly proportional to the overall number of applications sent. Basically, the IRS suffered numerous resignations, extra scrutiny and entire conservative meme of government overreach was all due to political hackery and media sensationalism. Shocker.

This stuff is so easy to dissect. Can we get something harder please? Thanks.
Byran

climber
San Jose, CA
Apr 7, 2014 - 05:57pm PT
In many cases I think Bookworm doesn't even read the links he posts. For example this one

what liberalism hath wrought: newspapers now defending each other from bullies (aka journalists)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/07/ezra-klein-quote_n_5104277.html?1396879036



some media are more equal than others


winston smith is dead

The article in the link has a purposefully inflammatory headline: New York Times Changes Ezra Klein Quote To No Longer Criticize Washington Post. A title designed to garner clicks. Then the body of the article brings it back to reality... the change was made at the request of Ezra Klein to better reflect what he meant to say, it's not the result of some conspiracy between the Times and the Post to censor journalists, and basically there is no "story" here at all. Bookworm's one line of commentary is consistent with what you'd expect from someone who saw the headline but couldn't bother to read the few short paragraphs that follow it.
John M

climber
Apr 7, 2014 - 06:08pm PT
Bookworm's one line of commentary is consistent with what you'd expect from someone who saw the headline but couldn't bother to read the few short paragraphs that follow it.

by far, the most amount of time and number of posts on this thread are spent simply debunking outright rightwing lies

its gotten beyond old. I wish they would grow up. The only thing that they can come up with is to be annoying and waste peoples time spreading lies.


This planet needs a good flushing.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 7, 2014 - 06:17pm PT
This planet needs a good flushing.

yes, John, it does

but fear not

for the demographics are a tidal wave rolling over the right wing

there are only so many older, white voters who cling to the three G's to base their
votes upon: God, Guns, and Gays

and just like the older white racist south is slowly changing, so is the country

by patiently waiting for them to.....die off

President Obama crushed McCain and then Romney by a whopping 12 million vote margin and two electoral landslides, and Hillary will bury Rand Paul in 16
John M

climber
Apr 7, 2014 - 06:22pm PT
I'm not that impressed with the liberals either Norton. Decency has gone by the wayside.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Apr 7, 2014 - 07:16pm PT
John M
climber
Apr 7, 2014 - 03:22pm PT
I'm not that impressed with the liberals either Norton. Decency has gone by the wayside.

Yep.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2014 - 10:14pm PT
I'm not that impressed with the liberals either Norton. Decency has gone by the wayside.

What the hell are you talking about?
What liberals are you not impressed with? all of them?? just some?
What decency has gone down the wayside?

It's the Koch Brothers and the Right Wingers that run negative campaigns.
Not the Liberals.

Some Democrats are not even near perfect, but liberals as a whole....
your statement was over the top
Want to defend?, please do
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Apr 7, 2014 - 10:26pm PT
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Apr 8, 2014 - 12:19am PT


Elizabeth Warren Picks A Fight With Paul Ryan

Elizabeth Warren wants a fight with Paul Ryan. Sen. Warren (D-Mass.) and Rep. Ryan (R-Wis.) are both considered to be intellectual leaders in their own spheres -- Warren on the populist wing of the Democratic Party and Ryan on the Tea Party wing of the GOP. Both relish data, sweeping lessons from history and the kind of wonkery that has grown popular in Washington.

Warren, in comments at the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Laborís Humphrey-Mondale Dinner on March 29th, worked to frame the debate as one about the character of working people in America. For Ryan, an oppressive nanny state has created coddled citizenry too lazy to find work. For Warren, special interests have successfully written the rules of the game in their own favor, depriving the middle-class of a fair shot.

Warren keyed in on what Ryan recently dubbed as an "inner-city" culture of "men not working."

She began by quoting comments that Ryan made on a conservative radio show last month, stating, "We have got this tailspin of culture, in our inner cities in particular, of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work, and so there is a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with."

Warren took aim at his view of the unemployed. "Paul Ryan looks around, sees three unemployed workers for every job opening in America, and blames the people who can't find a job," she said. "In 2008, this economy crashed, wiping out millions of jobs."

She went on, "Paul Ryan says don't blame Wall Street: the guys who made billions of dollars cheating American families; don't blame decades of deregulation that took the cops off the beat while the big banks looted the American economy. Don't blame the Republican Secretary of the Treasury, and the Republican president who set in motion a no-strings-attached bailout for the biggest banks. Nope. Paul Ryan says keep the monies flowing to the powerful corporations, keep their huge tax breaks, keep the special deals for the too-big-to-fail banks and put the blame on hardworking, play-by-the-rules Americans who lost their jobs."

"That may be Paul Ryan's vision of how America works, but that is not our vision of this great country," she said.

While she has said she won't run for president in 2016, many progressives have clamored for her to do so.

A Ryan spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Warren's remarks. However, Ryan later said in a statement that his comments were "inarticulate about the point I was trying to make."

In her speech, Warren also took a swipe at Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), referring to the "shutdown that sucked 24 billion dollars out of the economy. Talk about a financial genius."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/07/elizabeth-warren-paul-ryan_n_5106395.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Apr 8, 2014 - 03:16am PT
by far, the most amount of time and number of posts on this thread are spent simply debunking outright rightwing lies

they keep popping up and getting stamped out like cockroaches

A noble cause, but no matter how skillful (as with whac-a-mole or tetras) ultimately unwinnable.

Curt
stuv

climber
NL
Apr 8, 2014 - 04:25am PT
I voted left in the last two presidential elections but don't think I will in the next one. I feel they are both the same thing and plan on voting for a third party in the next election. One of the biggest reasons for this has been the NSA spying news and money in politics. Change my opinion.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Apr 8, 2014 - 07:11am PT
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal

Topic Author's Reply - Apr 7, 2014 - 07:14pm PT
I'm not that impressed with the liberals either Norton. Decency has gone by the wayside.

What the hell are you talking about?
What liberals are you not impressed with? all of them?? just some?
What decency has gone down the wayside?

It's the Koch Brothers and the Right Wingers that run negative campaigns.
Not the Liberals.

Some Democrats are not even near perfect, but liberals as a whole....
your statement was over the top
Want to defend?, please do

Well maybe they don't like you either, Paulie.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 8, 2014 - 07:52am PT
Dr. F posted
It's the Koch Brothers and the Right Wingers that run negative campaigns.
Not the Liberals.

Don't be fatuous.



stuv asked
I voted left in the last two presidential elections but don't think I will in the next one. I feel they are both the same thing and plan on voting for a third party in the next election. One of the biggest reasons for this has been the NSA spying news and money in politics. Change my opinion.

An invitation to an actual discussion? In MY WARWAE thread?

I shared your sentiment back in 2000 and it is somewhat true but not because "Republicans and Democrats are exactly the same" but because the rules and customs of our political system, the way media covers elections and the general sentiment of the electorate require them to be the same in certain ways, especially in the manner that they conduct campaigns. There is also the simple momentum of policy and incumbancy that make it hard to change things.

The current political climate makes it so that it is fairly difficult to say "they are both the same" but the polarization makes it hard to change anything...so it all stays exactly the same. We have radicalized ourselves into stagnation.

Third parties sound attractive but the structure of our electoral system essentially ensures a two party system where a third party in the general election will always, at best, play spoiler and not "third way." If a movement gets powerful enough they will simply be coopted into one of the existing parties.
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Apr 8, 2014 - 09:26am PT
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/07/married-congressman-sorry-after-seen-kissing-staffer-in-video/?hpt=hp_t2

Newly elected Rep. Vance McAllister asked for forgiveness from God, his family and his constituents after a local newspaper published what it said was surveillance video of the married Louisiana Republican making out with a female staffer.

I'm sure plenty of Democratic Party representatives are having affairs too, but when you campaign on "Traditional Family Values" and vote to deny marriage rights to others, an affair becomes much more than an issue between you and your spouse.

TE


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