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dirtbag

climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 02:41pm PT
Bullsh#t.^^^
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Apr 1, 2014 - 02:44pm PT
Well, if you hadn't pulled that number right out of your arse, the real number might not worry you so much.
Cragar

climber
MSLA - MT
Apr 1, 2014 - 02:46pm PT
**Trolls of a feather...

What is the proper term for a flock of trolls? Anyone?**

I read it on the google that they ~might~ be called....

A drool of trolls. <- LMAO
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 02:49pm PT
Sketch posted
I'm more concerned about the 40 million Americans who are still uninsured.


Oh man I called this on the last page. How concerned are you, Sketch? What kind of plan would you implement?
Or is this just another way to complain about the ACA?


(Also, sorry for breaking the page with that image.)

(ok I fixed it)
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 1, 2014 - 02:50pm PT
I'm more concerned about the 40 million Americans who are still uninsured.

Great! Let's hear about your solution!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Apr 1, 2014 - 02:54pm PT
and what is the Republican plan to cover those 40 million, Sketch?

oh yeah, I forgot, get a job with a company that provides healthcare...

IF you were really "concerned" about the uninsured, then why aren't you raving against the Republican governors who have refused to expand Medicaid under the ACA?

where is your outrage over that?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 1, 2014 - 02:58pm PT
I wonder how long it's going to take before public opinion comes to realize that what we have is a market based system.

A market-based system requires that production and consumption decisions be based on price. The US health care system has evolved largely into a third-party payment system, initially to avoid the distortion of wage controls, and afterward because of a significant subsidy compared with direct payment by patient to provider.

Accordingly, I would modify your statement to read "I wonder how long it's going to take before public opinion comes to realize that except for the substantial attenuation and distortion of price signals, what we have is a market based system."

Please forgive me, apogee, if your comment was meant to be appropriate for the day. I take what you say seriously -- perhaps, sometimes, too much so.

John
dirtbag

climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 03:04pm PT
Because sketch, if you were serious you would have advocated for universal coverage proposals that were floated earlier.

Instead you piss, moan, and bitch about efforts to improve coverage and offer nothing constructive as an alternative.

So yes, sketch, you're full of sheet.
dirtbag

climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
And btw, enrollment is still only beginning. More people will be covered.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Apr 1, 2014 - 03:15pm PT
John, that's a clarification that only an economist could make!
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Apr 1, 2014 - 03:16pm PT
Norton said
oh yeah, I forgot, get a job with a company that provides healthcare...

Many of those healthcare plans aren't that good. I know more than a few people who wish their employer would drop their coverage so that they could get a plan on the exchange.


John said
A market-based system requires that production and consumption decisions be based on price.

Yeah. Something that is completely impossible in healthcare even if the government had nothing to do with it. Sick people aren't rational actors. Hospitals and medical procedures aren't widgets.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 1, 2014 - 03:29pm PT
Healthcare is not a simple product or service. It is actually thousands of products and services all tangled together. Many of these products and services are very complex, and become more complex every day.

There can never be a purely market-based healthcare solution. Certainly not a solution that would be fair to everyone who participates in the market. And everybody participates in the healthcare market.

apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Apr 1, 2014 - 03:34pm PT
All of that is pretty much hair-splitting...whatever you want to call it, the American method of healthcare coverage hasn't changed much.

What has changed is that there are currently about 7 million more insured now (more coming), and the slimebag insurance companies can't deny coverage (amongst other benefits). And there is a rapidly improving tool that consumers can use to easily compare policies.

And finally...those who have been sponging their medical care costs off onto the rest of us via higher hospital & insurance costs are going to be contributing to their own healthcare costs...like the rest of us.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 1, 2014 - 04:02pm PT
there are currently about 7 million more insured now

Not exactly. There are about 7 million enrolled in the exchanges, several million of which were previously consumers of some sort of health care coverage (called by us "health insurance").

As for health care being different from any other commodity, I agree. All commodities differ. Catastrophic conditions are true insurable risks. Our problems are that we've adopted an insurance and tort model for all health care expenditures, which has created tremendous inefficiency. Third-party payment systems add layers of transactions costs to health care, and the tort system leads to "cover your ass" medicine. (HDDJ's arguments agree with me on this point, but he won't acknowledge it).

Even with "emergencies," we often have a choice. The one climbing injury I had that required fairly immediate attention (about 20 stitches, as it turned out) was one where I chose to go to a "docs in the box," rather than an emergency room, because I knew I would be treated right away. I was a consumer making a typical consumer's decision.

Finally, my distinction about what constitutes a market-based system isn't picky, it's definitional and fundamental. The tort system and the tax system in the US make the health care system the epitome of a non-market-based system. The fact that we pay out of pocket for it makes it no more market-based than, say, income tax.

John
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Apr 1, 2014 - 04:07pm PT
Healthcare in the US is not a commodity.

When we have single payer, it will be.

Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Apr 1, 2014 - 04:07pm PT
John wrote: I was a consumer making a typical consumer's decision.


Have open heart surgery and then come back and say it was a typical consumer decision.

This country is so far behind other FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES it is a disgrace.
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Apr 1, 2014 - 04:08pm PT
The Dissing of the President
The world is treating Obama like another failed American leader.

I've never liked the word diss—not as a verb, much less as a noun. But watching the Obama administration get the diss treatment the world over, week-in, week-out, I'm beginning to see its uses.

Diss: On Sunday, Bloomberg reported that Hasan Rouhani named Hamid Aboutalebi to serve as the ambassador to the United Nations. Mr. Rouhani is the Iranian president the West keeps insisting is a "moderate," mounting evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. Mr. Aboutalebi was one of the students who seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in 1979.

Here's the kicker: The State Department—the very institution whose diplomats were held hostage and brutalized for 444 days—will have to approve his visa to come to New York. Considering how desperate John Kerry is not to spoil the nuclear mood music with Tehran, the department probably will.

Diss: On Friday, Vladimir Putin called President Obama to discuss a resolution to the crisis in Ukraine. The Russian president "drew Barack Obama's attention to continued rampage of extremists who are committing acts of intimidation towards peaceful residents," according to the Kremlin, which, as in Soviet days, no longer bothers distinguishing diplomatic communiqués from crass propaganda.
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President Jimmy Carter, announcing an agreement to release Americans held hostage in Iran on Jan. 19, 1981. Associated Press

Mr. Kerry was immediately dispatched to Paris to meet with Sergei Lavrov, his Russian counterpart. Mr. Lavrov—who knows a one-for-me, one-for-you, one-for-me deal when he sees it—is hinting that Russia will graciously not invade Ukraine provided Washington and Moscow shove "constitutional reforms" favorable to the Kremlin down Kiev's throat. And regarding the invasion that brought the crisis about: "Mr. Kerry on Sunday didn't mention Crimea during his remarks," reports The Wall Street Journal, "giving the impression that the U.S. has largely given up reversing the region's absorption into Russia."

Diss: "If your image is feebleness, it doesn't pay in the world," Moshe Ya'alon, Israel's defense minister, said last month at Tel Aviv University. "At some stage, the United States entered into negotiations with them [the Iranians], and unhappily, when it comes to negotiating at a Persian bazaar, the Iranians were better."

The administration later demanded an apology from Mr. Ya'alon, which he dutifully delivered. But this isn't the first time he's dissed the administration. In January, he called Mr. Kerry"obsessive and messianic," adding that "the only thing that can save us is if Kerry wins the Nobel Prize and leaves us alone."

Diss: "It seems to me that some kind of joker wrote the U.S. president's order :-)". That was what Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin tweeted after learning last month that the Obama administration had sanctioned him for his role in the invasion of Ukraine.

Gotta love the ":-)".

Diss: In March, Iranian Gen. Masoud Jazayeri offered his view of Mr. Obama's threat to use military force against Iran if negotiations fail. "The low-IQ U.S. President and his country's Secretary of State John Kerry speak of the effectiveness of 'the U.S. options on the table' on Iran while this phrase is mocked at and has become a joke among the Iranian nation, especially the children."

Diss: In late December, Mr. Obama warned Congress that he would veto legislation to impose new sanctions on Iran if the Islamic Republic violated its nuclear commitments. It was essential, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said, to do nothing that "will undermine our efforts to achieve a peaceful resolution."

A few weeks later, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif laid a wreath at the tomb of Imad Mughniyeh, mastermind of the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, the 1985 hijacking of TWA 847 and countless other acts of international terrorism. Apparently Mr. Zarif didn't much fear undermining efforts to achieve a peaceful resolution.

Diss: In December, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, under fire for a corruption scandal, unleashed a media campaign to impugn U.S. Ambassador Francis Ricciardone as a member of a dark conspiracy to destabilize the government in Ankara. This is the same Mr. Erdogan whose regime Mr. Ricciardone praised for "great development in democratic structure." It's also the same Mr. Erdogan about whom Mr. Obama once said he had formed "bonds of trust."

Diss: "Rather than challenging the Syrian and Iranian governments, some of our Western partners have refused to take much-needed action against them," warned Saudi Arabia's ambassador to the U.K. late last year. "The foreign policy choices being made in some Western capitals risk the stability of the region and, potentially, the security of the whole Arab world. This means the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has no choice but to become more assertive in international affairs."

This would have been a diss were it whispered in the corridor of a foreign chancellery. The ambassador published it as an op-ed in the New York Times. NYT +0.76%

All this in just the past four months. And all so reminiscent of the contempt the world showed for Jimmy Carter in the waning days of his failed presidency. The trouble for us is that the current presidency has more than 1,000 days to go.

I was wrong about diss. It's a fine word. It means diss-respect. And connotes diss-may. And diss-honor. And diss-aster.

Write to bstephens@wsj.com
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Apr 1, 2014 - 04:10pm PT
"The world is treating Obama like another failed American leader."

Yawn-ity-yawn-yawn-yawn.


Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Apr 1, 2014 - 04:14pm PT
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy

Apr 1, 2014 - 11:44am PT
Well, if you hadn't pulled that number right out of your arse, the real number might not worry you so much.

Right out of my "arse"? The number came form Obama. Are you saying President Obama is full of sh1t?

It's amusing to watch all the haters spray away when one of the sacred programs is challenged.

A small minded group, indeed.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Apr 1, 2014 - 04:19pm PT
Have open heart surgery and then come back and say it was a typical consumer decision.

Bob, have you forgotten what I said about catastrophic events being insurable risks? Even there, though, consumers have choices: viz. where and by whom. In California, there is a vast difference in both quality and price (ironically, in the northern 2/3 of the state, price and quality seem inversely correlated for bypass surgery. Perhaps Ken M can tell me if that applies in South California).

And Dave, how does the manner of payment change the definition of a "commodity?" My dictionary defines "commodity" as "any useful thing."

Finally, I find it ironic that a discussion among climbers has so many ready to cede decision-making over life choices to the government. (A week or two earlier in the thread, the President's supporters were arguing that we can't trust people to make intelligent decisions about their health care because, for example, they smoke, overeat, etc.) Most of the public would probably have the government ban climbing because of its likely increase in health care (or burial) costs.

John
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