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Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 28, 2014 - 04:27pm PT
John wrote: Meanwhile, new polls show the public is less and less enamored with the legislation upon which the Democratic majority squandered its political capital.

two points:

1) very much credit is due the Republican party for the millions of dollars it has spent
outright lying about the ACA, congratulations for keeping Americans MISinformed

2) FACT: the more Americans know about the ACA, the more they like and support it

3) most Americans also believe in Angels and can't even name their own state governor

yeah, polls are SO important
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 28, 2014 - 10:51pm PT
What angers me the most is that conservatives, demonstrated perfectly by posters in this thread, communicate very clearly that the important thing here is not that Americans get access to healthcare or that we have a failing healthcare system inferior in most ways to any of industrialized nation but that they be proven right and Obama be proven wrong whatever the cost.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 28, 2014 - 11:07pm PT
Yet another deadbeat "progressive"

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/Tina-Fey-workers-comp-judgment-675432
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 28, 2014 - 11:16pm PT
John posed
I personally think, though, that the rise in extremism and hyperpartisanship may have some roots in the ability of those with money to push pet causes. The left loves to demonize the Koch Brothers, and the right responds with "what about George Soros, Tom Steyer, Elon Musk or, for that matter, Al Gore, not to mention all the Hollywood nut cases?"

Perhaps the dominance of rich Democrats in their party's funding explains why income inequality has risen so much under the present administration.

Progressives have openly complained about the corportization of the Democratic party for years and consistently support legislation to change money in politics. You can't insist that "money just lets you buy more speech" (a totally absurd notion) in one post and then complain about rich liberals playing the game the way you think it should be played in the next.

Furthermore, you can't complain about "Hollywood nut cases" when the conservative messiah was an actor and conservatives openly begged another actor (Fred Thompson) to save them from a derth of "not real conservatives" just a couple election cycles ago.

Lastly, your attempt to troll about the rise of income inequality is a poor one. Do try harder.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 28, 2014 - 11:23pm PT
TGT...I know many deadbeats that don't have workers comp and it's not just progressives that can't afford it...Remember the workers comp crisis in california that Arnold tried to patch..? It's still a farce with employers fighting tooth and nail to contest legitimate claims leaving workers to pay out of their own empty pockets...When it comes to claims the worker usually gets screwed and the doctors laugh all the way to the bank.....Did you ever consider the reality that people can't afford to carry it and gamble , choosing not to purchase it..? Of course you choose to side with the Insurance companies that are the bigger part of the problem...Just wait till those winds blow your way...
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Mar 29, 2014 - 10:52am PT
barry doesn't bring a knife to a gunfight; he brings a selfie


http://nypost.com/2014/03/28/uproar-over-dcs-jokey-selfie-support-for-ukraine/

actually, i guess that chick is a little scary looking



ironic how libs mock jesus as a guide for our personal lives but consider kumbaya effective foreign policy
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 29, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
Speech is speech. Money simply buys speech.

John, I am surprised at your naivete.

Money buys politicians. There can be no serious dispute of that. Look at Fatrad, and his stories of influence and proximity to politicians. Was it because he was so brilliant? I think not. I think it was because he raised money.

As long as money is equated to speech by the Supreme Court, it cannot be controlled by campaign contribution limits, and PAC limits.

the SC specifically equates the two.

That means if you have more money, you get more speech, you get more influence, you tend to get your way.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 29, 2014 - 03:14pm PT
Worth repeating.



Mar 28, 2014 - 12:56pm PT
John wrote: Meanwhile, new polls show the public is less and less enamored with the legislation upon which the Democratic majority squandered its political capital.


Yes..should have used it to created wars and invade other countries like the republicans did with it's political capital.


Or stop stem cell research. Or torture and hold people in prison illegally.
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 29, 2014 - 03:52pm PT
TGT said
ironic how libs mock jesus as a guide for our personal lives but consider kumbaya effective foreign policy

So you are saying that you are supportive of a "kumbaya foreign policy" and are frustrated that you feel your faith is mocked because your views as a Christian align with liberals?

Welcome to the right side of history, my friend. It's been a long hard struggle for you. I think you'll find the reality is quite the opposite as many liberals are ardent Christians and what we all mock are people who invoke Jesus while seeking the least WWJD foreign policy possible. What people mock is the insistence that the most mean spirited interpretations of Christian literalism replace compassionate government policy.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 29, 2014 - 03:55pm PT

yes, anything short of our troops on the ground is Kumbaya foreign policy

don't f*#k with President Obama, you might end up with SEAL Team Six at your door
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 29, 2014 - 04:03pm PT
And also that. What is mockable is that Obama has used flying murder robots to kill more people that could be described as "taking up arms against America"
Than Bush ever dreamed of and yet still gets painted as a pussy. What gets mocked is the insane caricature of a Marxist socialist fascist (all of those words are contradictory!) who is in the pocket of big business and practices crony capitalism while also hating corporations and wanting to kill 'mericuh (which is exactly what Jesus guides you to say, right?)
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 29, 2014 - 04:08pm PT


The Republican age gap keeps growing.
HighTraverse

Trad climber
Bay Area
Mar 29, 2014 - 04:34pm PT
Their plan might have been discontinued at the end of their term because it was no longer compliant with the law, but nobody woke up one day with no insurance.
I'll have to correct this.
My wife was on COBRA insurance at about $900 / month.
It expired at the end of September last year.
Wonderful Aetna refused to issue her any insurance for several weeks. Finally in November she had worked out a "deal" for about $1200/month.
By this time, the effective date for Obamacare policies was a few weeks away so we rode it out with my wife uninsured.

She signed up through Covered California. Yes, it took a couple of efforts, largely because of our confusion about the limits for the tax credits. (God bless the USA tax law, no one else will)
About $600 per month and yes, she gets to keep her doctor.

If you have a good memory and were paying attention in 2008 - 2009 you might remember all the special conditions and exclusions inserted by opponents. I prefer to call them "poison pills" as many of them have made the act more complex than necessary and were put forth by legislators who were no real friends of the ACA to start with.

One example: Democratic senator Nelson from Nebraska
After a final 13-hour negotiation, Nelson's support for the bill was won after two concessions: a compromise on abortion, modifying the language of the bill "to give states the right to prohibit coverage of abortion within their own insurance exchanges", which would require consumers to pay for the procedure out-of-pocket if the state so decided; and an amendment to offer a higher rate of Medicaid reimbursement for Nebraska.[70][99] The latter half of the compromise was derisively called the "Cornhusker Kickback"[100] and was later repealed by the subsequent reconciliation amendment bill.

However, following the adoption of an individual mandate as a central component of the proposed reforms by Democrats, Republicans began to oppose the mandate and threatened to filibuster any bills that contained it.[48] Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell, who led the Republican congressional strategy in responding to the bill, calculated that Republicans should not support the bill, and worked to keep party discipline and prevent defections:[79]
It was absolutely critical that everybody be together because if the proponents of the bill were able to say it was bipartisan, it tended to convey to the public that this is O.K., they must have figured it out.[80]
Republican Senators, including those who had supported previous bills with a similar mandate, began to describe the mandate as "unconstitutional." Journalist Ezra Klein wrote in The New Yorker that "the end result was ... a policy that once enjoyed broad support within the Republican Party suddenly faced unified opposition."[51] Reporter Michael Cooper of The New York Times wrote that: "It can be difficult to remember now, given the ferocity with which many Republicans assail it as an attack on freedom, but the provision in President Obama's healthcare law requiring all Americans to buy health insurance has its roots in conservative thinking."[50][57]
NOTE the last sentence. This argument was put forth by the Republicans opposing Clinton's health care plan.

A large number of the problems of the ACA are related to the obstinacy or actual subversion by Republicans. We are now having to deal with the Hobby Lobby (religious right nuts) opposing the contraception and abortion provisions.
But hey, corporations ARE people, aren't they?

We'll still be far better off with Obamacare than without it. It's just a shame it wasn't designed by health policy experts instead of Congress.

And nothing in it will reduce the 200K - 350K unnecessary hospital deaths each year in this country. Again, it's USA #1

now back to your usual programming.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 29, 2014 - 08:28pm PT
Guys, guys, guys....

TGT is a troll. A troll of a Party that's got nuthin'.

philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 29, 2014 - 10:11pm PT
Trolling Goat Turds.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 29, 2014 - 10:17pm PT
Do the repultards ever stop to ask the question: If the government is corrupt, who corrupted it?

The average Joe with a meager union job?

Or could it be BIG BUSINESS that has corrupted government?




I'm not holding my breath for one of these cretan to grow the half step above primate to honestly answer truthfully...
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 29, 2014 - 10:20pm PT
photo not found
Missing photo ID#351351
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Mar 29, 2014 - 10:28pm PT


these unethical republitards their god and the corruption they weave
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 29, 2014 - 10:38pm PT
What is the End Game?

for me it is when the older white male base of the GOP dies off

at that point and with the strong Democratic demographics church is out for the GOP

just like the south is waiting for their own older racists to croak, all things come in due time

The Dems will have the House no earlier than 2018, may lose the Senate in 14, but if so will win it back along with the Presidency in 2016

stalemate for at least 5 more years, nothing major gets done, no immigration bill, no tax overhaul, etc.....that's ok, we already got a lot of good stuff done


edit: STFU Braun, you are an ignorant and bitter pussy (preemptive strike)
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 29, 2014 - 10:40pm PT
"preemptive strike"


Heh!
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