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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:03pm PT
So, you are saying that if a terrorist group hypothetically captured a civilian airliner filled with Americans, and was about to fly it into, say, the World Trade Center, you would not shoot it down (with drones or anything else), but allow it to fly into the building and kill thousands?

You'd demand that every American on that plane be given a trial?

Dick Cheney DID give such an order on 9/11. Was that a criminal act? A war crime?
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:06pm PT
He began to winnow the list of those possible extraordinary circumstances Wednesday. In testimony Wednesday before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, pressed Holder whether he believed it would be constitutional to target an American terror suspect "sitting at a cafe" if the suspect didn't pose an imminent threat.
"No," Holder replied.

OK thank you for this quote KEN. That is excellent information that clearly shows I was and Rand were wrong. I had not heard all of Holder's testimony. That is a pretty clear statement regarding the legality of pre-emptive strike on US soil.

All I had heard previously about Holders statements were his justification of military force used on American Soil if there was an ongoing attack like 9-11 or Pearl Harbor. I certainly have no issue using whatever assets might work best in repelling. Drones or whatever.

I guess I can breathe a sigh of relief and conclude that Rands fillibuster was a douchebag move demanding an answer already given.

He conned even me this time..

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:09pm PT
Hardly Climb2ski.. That was most definitly required. Trust yur GUT. As you did yesterday when suddenly finding yourself in agreement with him..Words are quite cheap in the political arena. One must rely on that little feeling down deep- that sign of unrest in your bowels. That is NATURES alarm going off for you.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:11pm PT
answer the question, Rong.

Would you shoot the plane down?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:12pm PT
I'm probably oversimplifying some, but haven't we used unmanned drone strikes on American soil for as long as the United States existed? We just called them "bullets."

John
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:15pm PT
John, I think you strike to the heart of the matter, which is that drones are simply a technique.

They don't fundamentally alter the underlying issue in any way.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:18pm PT
Yes, i would shoot the plane down if it meant saving more than not. But the use of drones HERE is NOT about that, but rather the spying on citizens. Those that differ in opinion from the Potus. Those that outwardly show or speak of disastisfaction with the gubbmint. All things weve cherished since conception of this great country.

In this area, we already suffer from arial surviellance by DHS black hawk helos. Go climbing at a local crag and your likely to get buzzed and circled by one of those, with a gunner at the doors. All over cartel activities here. We KNOW who those members are yet CAN DO NOTHING until after the fact. They are PROTECTED by policies put out by the obama admin as they await amnesties. So instead of sovling a problem the very easiest way, in the name of being PC, we shall make ALL citizens pay by increased surviellance? BULLSHEET....
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
John and Ken
finally some reasonable talk
Thanks

rong, pull your self away from the glue
Is it because he's BLACK?
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:22pm PT
Our constitutional rights are often suspended in times of war or national crisis. i.e. internment camps of world war 2 under Roosevelt. Do domestic "belligerents" constitute a national crisis on the same level as an illegal (assumed terrorist) in a jetliners cockpit? Weren't right wing extremists (the bitter clingers) and returning war veterans identified as domestic threats early on in the Obama administration? Inquiring minds want to know.
Dr. F- his name is Ron.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
Way to go!

We picked off another son on a b!tch



WASHINGTON A senior congressman says U.S. officials have captured Osama bin Laden's spokesman in Jordan.

Ghaith was bin Laden's son-in-law and was part of the Sept. 11, 2001, plot against the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.


nothing "political" about this, just damn good unrelenting pressure and intelligence

great job everyone!
jghedge

climber
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:29pm PT
"...haven't we used unmanned drone strikes on American soil for as long as the United States existed? We just called them "bullets."

Exactly correct, good work JE.

jghedge

climber
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:41pm PT
I watch Zero Dark Thirty over and over again, fantastic movie, great to watch the hell's swooping down on Bin Laden's compound - a scenario no doubt to be repeated in this country once we start dealing with the gun nuts.

Also good to watch for the torture scenes, which pretty much spell out how ineffective the water boarding actually was. The CIA broke the case once the detainee program was taken away, and they were forced to rely on deductive reasoning, not brute force. Had they done that sooner, Bin Laden would have been found sooner. Of course the Bush admin had no real interest in finding him anyway, which didn't help either...
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
So, you are saying that if a terrorist group hypothetically captured a civilian airliner filled with Americans, and was about to fly it into, say, the World Trade Center, you would not shoot it down (with drones or anything else), but allow it to fly into the building and kill thousands?

You'd demand that every American on that plane be given a trial?

Dick Cheney DID give such an order on 9/11. Was that a criminal act? A war crime?

Ken, if a policeman shoots a civilian to protect his life or the life of others, that's one thing. Summary execution of US citizens is another thing, whether they are here or on foreign soil. No good can come from giving the president authority to execute citizens at will.
jghedge

climber
Mar 7, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Letting Bin Laden go - Just another low point for The Worst President In US History

Our wingnuts must be sooo proud to have voted TWICE for the unmitigated disaster that was the Bush admin

Of course, every cloud has a silver lining - we got ObamaCare because of Bush, and the accelerated demise of the repub party to boot




Just Another Failed Ideology Consigned To The Ash Heap Of History.



Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2013 - 02:04pm PT
Weren't right wing extremists (the bitter clingers) and returning war veterans identified as domestic threats early on in the Obama administration? Inquiring minds want to know.
Yes they were
They were identified as domestic terrorists by the NSA, as they should be

just like they were during the Bush Admin

and your point is?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Mar 7, 2013 - 02:16pm PT
allow me Rick.. Sooo Doc,, your saying that after one serves his country his just reward is to be labeled a domestic terrorist or threat upon completion of his TODs?? And that is CORRECT????

Buhhaha

baaaahhhahaaaahahahaaaaa


MUWWAHAHAhehahahahahwhahahahwhawhahaaaaaaaaaa... I want you to say that to the NEXT uniformed dood you see in person.. Then give us a TR...
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
No one said all Veterans you moron

If they are Right Wing Extremists that want to fight the Country, then yes.
Just because they are Veterans doesn't mean they can break the law
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 7, 2013 - 02:24pm PT
The act of identifying threats implies identification of that which threatens an agenda. They came into office playing a hypnotic tune much like the pied piper. I ask where are they trying to lead the hypnotized? What our dear leader has stated as his intentions has often diverged radically from his actions-why? Inquiring minds want to know rather than simply marching lockstep in tune with propoganda.
And Dr. F he isn't a moron any more than you are Dr. Fallacy.
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 7, 2013 - 02:25pm PT
They came into office playing a hypnotic tune much like the pied piper. I ask where are they trying to lead the hypnotized?
talk about propaganda
that's some real loony stuff your sniffing

what propaganda am I selling?
None


get one person to agree with you that Ron is not a Moron, and then I will debate the issue
rick sumner

Trad climber
reno, nevada/ wasilla alaska
Mar 7, 2013 - 02:29pm PT
Dr. Fallacy that is no loonier than those that saw through GWB's lies and propoganda. Like i said before-two sides of the same coin regardless of political stripe.
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