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The Warbler

the edge of America
Feb 27, 2013 - 09:44pm PT
It's insane to allow donations to politicians.

How else are poor or middle class Americans going to buy their way into office?

What's insane is that so many Americans are influenced by political ads, and can't smell the bullshit when it's flung right in their face.

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 27, 2013 - 09:53pm PT
They don't buy they are bought.. and they have no choice about it.. Can't even get in the arena without a few million in "donations"

There is almost no way they will jeopardize those donations.


Ice climber
the ghost
Feb 27, 2013 - 10:07pm PT
"When it shall be said in any country in the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want; the taxes are not oppressive; the rational world is my friend. Because I am a friend of its happiness; when these things can be said, then may that country boast its Constitution and its Government”
― Thomas Paine, Rights Of Man

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 27, 2013 - 11:19pm PT

Boom. What else is there to describe the proper goals of a government?

Perhaps I would add that "and the future promises more of this perfect bounty"

Feb 27, 2013 - 11:41pm PT
94%. And one of the two I missed was because I misread the question but knew the answer.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 28, 2013 - 12:08am PT
You answered 33 out of 33 correctly — 100.00 %

If you have any comments or questions about the quiz, please email americancivicliteracy@isi.org.

You can consult the following table to see how citizens and elected officials scored on each question.

I thought the Puritan question was the toughest. Easy to confuse them with Quakers.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 28, 2013 - 12:12am PT
I attended a lecture tonite by Condoleeza Rice.

It was really good. I thought it was actually very progressive. I'll post the link when available.
Dave Kos

Social climber
Feb 28, 2013 - 06:57am PT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 28, 2013 - 08:59am PT
Bob Woodward isn't the only one geting threats from King Barry's gangsters!

WASHINGTON -- Bob Woodward isn't the only person who's received threats for airing the Obama administration's dirty laundry. It seems anyone is a potential target of the White House these days - even former senior members of the Clinton administration.

A day after Woodward's claim that a senior White House official had told him he would "regret" writing a column criticizing President Obama's stance on the sequester, Lanny Davis, a longtime close advisor to President Bill Clinton, told WMAL's Mornings on the Mall Thursday he had received similar threats for newspaper columns he had written about Obama in the Washington Times.

Davis told WMAL that his editor, John Solomon, "received a phone call from a senior Obama White House official who didn't like some of my columns, even though I'm a supporter of Obama. I couldn't imagine why this call was made." Davis says the Obama aide told Solomon, "that if he continued to run my columns, he would lose, or his reporters would lose their White House credentials."

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Feb 28, 2013 - 09:01am PT
ya just gotta LOVE Obamas "transparency" speech about now...

Boulder climber
I'm James Brown, Bi-atch!
Feb 28, 2013 - 09:08am PT

society for the betterment of mental masturbaters

Group Of Mental Masturbaters

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 28, 2013 - 09:10am PT

Idaho lawmaker: Force all adults into militias to protect gun rights

By David Edwards
Wednesday, February 27, 2013 15:47 EST

A Republican lawmaker in Idaho has proposed an amendment to the state Constitution that would require all adults to be militia members in an effort to preserve their right to bear arms.

At a Idaho Senate State Affairs Committee on Wednesday, state Sen. Jim Rice (R) said that he feared that the U.S. Supreme Court would change the definition of the Second Amendment and allow the federal government to confiscate guns owned by individuals, according to The Associated Press.

But Rice argued that the federal government could never take away people’s guns if the Idaho Constitution was changed to make all adults members of the state militia as a “backstop.”

The Caldwell Republican hopes to let the voters decide on the amendment in the November 2014 election. Rice said that there was no issue that was more important to his constituents than gun rights.

Article XIV of the Idaho Constitution says that “[a]ll able-bodied male persons, residents of this state, between the ages of eighteen and forty-five years, shall be enrolled in the militia.” The section also provides an opportunity for conscientious objectors to opt-out of serving in the militia.

While Rice hasn’t offered specific language for his proposed amendment, he indicated that the age and gender requirements would be dropped, making all adults eligible for service.

“Today we held a print hearing on my proposed state constitutional amendment that will eliminate age and gender discrimination from our definition of the state militia,” the lawmaker wrote in a message posted to Twitter. “This will allow the state to backstop the individual right to keep and bear arms in an effective way that is supported by the reasoning in all the U.S. Supreme Court decisions.”

“We will actually run this concept next session since it needs to be on the 2014 general election ballot. The idea is that Idaho citizens get the opportunity to begin the discussion of this now.”

The National Rifle Association has endorsed Rice with an A rating. His Facebook page is filled with pro-gun postings, including a message about buying his wife handgun and videos of him shooting a fully-automatic Thompson submachine gun with his son earlier this year.

“The Thompson submachine gun is a very fun gun to shoot!” Rice wrote in a 2012 blog post.

Is this a good gun law?

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 28, 2013 - 11:57am PT
Doctors consider patients with medi-cal "insured"....they get paid for the work, they can hospitalize them without fear of bankrupting them, they can get consultations, they can get drugs. With the new boost in Medi-cal rates under Obama (but not by the centrist Repub gov Schwaz), doctors will be paid the same amount as from Medicare, a 130% boost.

So your rich friend is about to get a lot richer.

He deserves so much sympathy.....

Ken, because I respect your views, I spent some time trying to find a source of statistics on comparative salaries for pediatric radiology in Fresno compared with larger California cities. here is the site I found:


Using its data I found that following average salaries for pediatric radiology:

Fresno: $112,185

San Francisco: $223,111

Los Angeles: $112,589

San Diego: $183,016

Sacramento: $148,215

For general radiology physician:

Fresno: $91,235

San Francisco: $217,735

Los Angeles: $109,876

San Diego: $178,606

Sacramento: $144,643

This confirms what you told me about comparative compensation for general and pediatric radiologists. Of course neither of these match the results of one site, saying that the average compensation for any radiologist in Fresno is over $400,000, but now I can't find the cite for it! Even that site, though, is closer to what you said, so I consider your main point confirmed.

My contention was based on what my friend and two other radiologists, neither of whom were affiliated with my friend's group (and generally did not see or read for Medi-Cal patients) told me here. I guess my sample size was way too small, although I still contend that in my friend's case, he could have made much more money elsewhere.

For those who say political discussions on ST have no value, I say that's true only if people don't respond with facts, or don't listen to others' arguments. Thank you for taking the time to set me straight.


Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:07pm PT
A Republican lawmaker in Idaho has proposed an amendment to the state Constitution that would require all adults to be militia members in an effort to preserve their right to bear arms.

Republicans are for individual rights and minimal interference by the government--whenever it suits them, that is.

Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
No one threatened Bob Woodward, he's lying
I just heard what was written to him

all was said was that he would regret making up the lies he wanted to print, because it make him look like an idiot for writing something that's not true

Why do Republicans lie?

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:36pm PT
The threats now extend to reporters, reporting on the Woodward story!

The gangsta Prez!

The official angered by my Woodward tweet sent me an indignant e-mail. “What’s next, a Nazi analogy?” the official wrote, chastising me for spreading “bull like that” I was not offended by the note, mild in comparison to past exchanges with this official. But it was the last straw in a relationship that had deteriorated.

As editor-in-chief of National Journal, I received several e-mails and telephone calls from this White House official filled with vulgarity, abusive language, and virtually the same phrase that Politico characterized as a veiled threat. “You will regret staking out that claim,” The Washington Post reporter was told.

Once I moved back to daily reporting this year, the badgering intensified. I wrote Saturday night, asking the official to stop e-mailing me. The official wrote, challenging Woodward and my tweet. “Get off your high horse and assess the facts, Ron,” the official wrote.

I wrote back:

“I asked you to stop e-mailing me. All future e-mails from you will be on the record -- publishable at my discretion and directly attributed to you. My cell-phone number is … . If you should decide you have anything constructive to share, you can try to reach me by phone. All of our conversations will also be on the record, publishable at my discretion and directly attributed to you.”

I haven’t heard back from the official. It was a step not taken lightly because the note essentially ended our working relationship. Without the cloak of anonymity, government officials can’t be as open with reporters – they can’t reveal as much information and they can’t explain the nuance and context driving major events.

I changed the rules of our relationship, first, because it was a waste of my time (and the official’s government-funded salary) to engage in abusive conversations. Second, I didn’t want to condone behavior that might intimidate less-experienced reporters, a reaction I personally witnessed in journalists covering the Obama administration.

Dave Kos

Social climber
Feb 28, 2013 - 01:39pm PT
There's a Kenyan that is threatening Americans!

A terrorist!
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2013 - 01:43pm PT
Gangsta liars in the Republican Party again trying to smear the President

Here is the letter to Bob that sya he will regret writing his story

From Gene Sperling to Bob Woodward on Feb. 22, 2013


I apologize for raising my voice in our conversation today. My bad. I do understand your problems with a couple of our statements in the fall — but feel on the other hand that you focus on a few specific trees that gives a very wrong perception of the forest. But perhaps we will just not see eye to eye here.

But I do truly believe you should rethink your comment about saying saying that Potus asking for revenues is moving the goal post. I know you may not believe this, but as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim. The idea that the sequester was to force both sides to go back to try at a big or grand barain with a mix of entitlements and revenues (even if there were serious disagreements on composition) was part of the DNA of the thing from the start. It was an accepted part of the understanding — from the start. Really. It was assumed by the Rs on the Supercommittee that came right after: it was assumed in the November-December 2012 negotiations. There may have been big disagreements over rates and ratios — but that it was supposed to be replaced by entitlements and revenues of some form is not controversial. (Indeed, the discretionary savings amount from the Boehner-Obama negotiations were locked in in BCA: the sequester was just designed to force all back to table on entitlements and revenues.)

I agree there are more than one side to our first disagreement, but again think this latter issue is diffferent. Not out to argue and argue on this latter point. Just my sincere advice. Your call obviously.

My apologies again for raising my voice on the call with you. Feel bad about that and truly apologize.


From Woodward to Sperling on Feb. 23, 2013

Gene: You do not ever have to apologize to me. You get wound up because you are making your points and you believe them. This is all part of a serious discussion. I for one welcome a little heat; there should more given the importance. I also welcome your personal advice. I am listening. I know you lived all this. My partial advantage is that I talked extensively with all involved. I am traveling and will try to reach you after 3 pm today. Best, Bob

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/02/exclusive-the-woodward-sperling-emails-revealed-88226.html#ixzz2METQQBE9

"but as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim."
Some threat

Boehner said he wanted to close loop holes in Dec. 2012 for more revenue, it's on tape. Now Boehner doesn't want to close any loopholes.
So Obama didn't move any goal posts, the Republicans did.

So who's lying?
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2013 - 05:05pm PT

TGT hasn't come back and told us how appalled he is about Obama, with all his threats..

TGT, what have you got now?

Do you remember Bush saying "don't come bothering us, or we will KILL You"
Was that a Threat??

Sounds like a fascist/totalitarian/dictator/mafia authoritarian like threat on the live of everyone that disagrees with Bush/Cheney

I will find the you tube for you
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2013 - 06:19pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
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