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Somewhere out there
Mar 20, 2014 - 01:22pm PT
too bad for "No Regs!!!" Texas...

if only there weren't so many damn cronies you have to take care of in your state....

Mar 20, 2014 - 01:23pm PT
Hi Fatty!

Mar 20, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
That looks serious.

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 20, 2014 - 01:29pm PT
Well Cozie, you go gurl.

Mar 20, 2014 - 01:34pm PT
Yes, that Republican was Teddy Roosevelt - a much more liberal man than Obama will ever be, and one who would be excoriated by today's GOP for his many liberal policy decisions.

Baby talk argument.

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 20, 2014 - 01:40pm PT
"You goof balls" That's rich in irony.

Mar 20, 2014 - 01:40pm PT
Norton is waaaaayyy too stupid to even begin to understand a simple thing Coz.

He's drooling on his medication as usual.

His tiny brain is completely fried in politard.

He brainwashes himself every day with 30 some politard MSM web sites to keep his brainwashed brain up to date.

Then he drools here

He's never talked about any climbing except that he drooled in Warren Harding's wine.

Fuking pathetic

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 20, 2014 - 01:41pm PT
^^^phuckin pathetic.

Is there something deleterious about spending too much time in Yosemite?
Does the cranium start shrinking and crushing the cerebellum? Or is Valley Fever just a euphemism for senility?

Werner please add value?

Mar 20, 2014 - 03:05pm PT
Werner wrote:
Like that stupid drug addled nutcase Norton who slithers around in every thread running his stupid mouth about sh!t he knows nothing about.

I like Obama as a person very much and always have.

But as a politician he's not trust-able.

He's under the gun by his masters.

He's also scared they will assassinate him if he doesn't please his masters enough.

You'll see constant evidence that he really knows what's going and subtle maneuvers against his masters.

Too bad it's like this as he's a really cool guy .....

Couldn't agree more, and at least Obama is willing to do "subtle maneuvers against his masters". If he had not played the game at all, ansd had no corporate masters, he would not be our President.

Also, it's true that right now corporations are trying like hell to buy America. It's the Imperialism of the global era. Everyone needs to wake up to that. Like always though, no one person owns the show, and we would all be fools to think our voice just does not count at all since somehow our voices are all magically bought by some mystical magical ever-powerful corporation.

I think our best strategy against all politicians is to praise their good deeds (they all have some of these or they would not be taken seriously) while condemning their bad, with a "harmed the overall public good" theme to the condemnations. The world is just not black and white.

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 20, 2014 - 03:37pm PT
Jim B,

Curt is right. I do not agree that single-payer will in any way ameliorate the disconnect between patient and caregiver. I originally made the following suggestions for what I would do about health care if I were king almost five years ago:

"[Jul 29, 2009 - 03:15pm PT]

The effect of malpractice litigation on health care costs goes far beyond the costs of premiums. While it is beyond serious dispute that laws such as California's MICRA laws result in lower malpractice premiums, they do nothing to affect the "legal defense" practice of medicine.

I know a great many health care providers of all varieties. My wife is a nurse. Our best man is a doctor. My main climbing partner is married to a nurse practitioner. Virtually every health care worker I know claims that they need to perform procedures, prescribe medication, or run tests that the patient probably would choose to forgo, if the patient were making the payments directly, but which the professional cannot forgo without fear of being sued.

At least in California, if a doctor gets sued for malpractice, he or she cannot settle the case without it being recorded as a blot on their record. This forces them to spend untold amounts of time and agony defending claims that are usually spurious. A great many of those suits allege that the doc failed to do everything possible to treat the patient. This provides a powerful incentive to maximize, not optimize health care.

As I stated much earlier in this thread, and which no one has refuted, the main reason we spend more on medical care is that we get more medical care.

There are numerous problems with the current healthcare system that I believe government involvement could make better. Since the Dems on this thread are crying for a solution, let me offer these:

1. For coverage of uninsured patients, something in the nature of the VA would be a good option. Particularly as the population of veterans decreases as the generations subject to the draft die out, we should integrate that system into a general system available to those who want it -- but there should be some cost. Otherwise, there is no incentive to use it wisely.

2. There is no reason why health coverage should be dependent on employment. The tie between health care coverage and employment has three historic roots:

(a) Henry Ford wanted his workers to stay healthy, and thought it was worth his money to include it as a benefit;

(b) Health benefits did not count as wages or salaries in World War II. It was thus a way for businesses to obtain workers by raising their return from employment without running afoul of wage controls; and

(c) Health benefits paid by employers are not taxed to employees.

The disadvantage, of course, is that health benefits become an impediment to changing employment, and compound the economic difficulty of losing or leaving a job. I suggest that we eliminate the employee's tax break on employer-paid health care, and replace it with a deduction for medical expenses, including medical insurance -- without any requirement that these expenditures exceed a certain percentage of income. This will provide an incentive to have your own insurance, rather than be on the dole with my VA For All plan, above. In addition, it will provide some connection between the consumer of health care and the cost of same.

3. We should do something to restore health insurance to its role as insurance. It currently covers several things (birth and birth control, to cite two contradictory examples) that are not traditionally insurable risks. I rather suspect maintenance-type health care would be cheaper if we paid for it the way we pay for car repair.

4. We need tort reform that respects freedom of contract. A doctor should not feel compelled to provide the very best treatment if it costs 100 times as much as the next best treatment, and is .001% better. Virtually all health care recipients have sufficient intelligence to make those sorts of decisions themselves.

5. We should have used some of that pork-barrel money (disguised as "stimulus" money) to build and staff a lot of new med schools.

This is just an outline, but I think it's far better than giving the government control over 18% of American GDP.

OK. I've got my blindfold on, and they've given me my cigarette. Fire away!"


Trad climber
South Lake Tahoe, CA
Mar 20, 2014 - 03:45pm PT
That Tesla video is hilarious. Piss off texas.

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 20, 2014 - 07:35pm PT

Mar 20, 2014 - 09:58am PT

Are you my latest leg humper?

Coz 'Ol buddy I wouldn't hump your leg.
I don't think I could stoop that low.
But to quote Frank Zappa's priceless response to Al Gore's wife during the Congressional hearings about smutty entertainment
"You can bend up and sniff my anal vapors".

Mar 20, 2014 - 07:38pm PT
Yawn zzzzzzzzzzzz ^^^^^

Same old stupid tired sh!t saying stupid nothing.

You and Norton are brothers in stupid .....

Mar 20, 2014 - 07:42pm PT
I'm the Earl Friggin' Scheib of leg humping.

I'll hump any leg for just $99.

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 21, 2014 - 01:38am PT
Well I just got home from a very long day of drillin' and pullin' and strippin' and twistin' and nuttin'. Glad to see most folks are still havin' fun on this thread.
Werner it's funny you should mention the "brothers in stupid". When I spent a couple years in Texas the local band of nere do wells declared me a honorary "Stupid Brother". I don't remember Norton there but if he's "stupid" then I say so am I and proud of it.

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 21, 2014 - 02:09am PT
Blow me Coz...Oh wait...that's 3 words....

Mar 21, 2014 - 09:39am PT
From one of the main architects of the modern Republican Party, Lee Atwater:

You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

Flip Flop

Trad climber
Truckee, CA
Mar 21, 2014 - 10:07am PT
Actually, they are political masters. They polarize people with fringe hot button issues. They win huge elections against all common sense. Watch your wallet.

Mar 21, 2014 - 10:26am PT
Good Stuff John E.

Try bringing those ideas to your next GOP meeting... you'll become an instant death panel commie.

" I do not agree that single-payer will in any way ameliorate the disconnect between patient and caregiver"... my experience with the NHS (both for myself and my 80 year old mother) informs me the exact opposite.

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Mar 21, 2014 - 10:55am PT
what will history determine to be the greater accomplishment: reagan defeating the evil empire or barry restoring it?


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