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jghedge

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:00am PT
"Including US citizens who publicly state that they are stockpiling weapons and ammunition for the explicit purpose of preparing to overthrow the US Government? "

Hahahaha, stockpiling what would actually be needed to take on, let alone defeat, the United States Army is probably beyond the reach of your average gun nut

One Apache helicopter/drone strike against one fortified gun nut compound would quiet things down in Gun Nut Fantasy World pretty quick.

Looking forward to it!
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:22am PT
Nohea - I get the feeling that L F capitalism worked just fine and dandy for you over the past couple of decades. It worked for me too but at what cost. It is easy for us to gloat and rest on our laurels eh? It is a short term pleasure that will bite our kids on the ass - or better yet, some other kids ass.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 6, 2013 - 03:50am PT
Slavery was a fun LF Capitolist endeavour.

Lotsa folks got rich.. didn't hurt nuthin right?

Love that competition stuff.. its great till someone wins. And someone always does.

Monopoly is a fun game.

The fact is the founders were shortsighted in their distrust of government power. Their system of checks and balances in order to protect and serve the people. They did not anticipate or provide adequate checks and balances of private/corporate financial power.

Government power is dangerous..Financial power and all power is dangerous.

Both are both critical useful and important tools in societies. But to pretend one of them is somehow not dangerous if not carefully controlled by various checks and balances..

is asinine.

One thing they missed doing was limiting campaign contributions. Our whole supposed democratic system is now fundamentally undermined by the highest bidder. The whole foundation of getting into elected office is one thing only.

How many bribes.. er how much can you fund raise.
dirtbag

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 09:32am PT
Four more years, righties: suck on that.
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 6, 2013 - 10:10am PT
So the President of the United States can kill any American citizen he wants, as long as somebody he decides is informed and high-level says it’s okay. And our friends on the left are okay with that, because the President of the United States isn’t George Bush or some other evil Republican.

Water on the face: “You monsters. It’s the end of the republic!”
Hellfire missle in the face: “Whatever you think is best, Barry.”

In related news, if you determine that someone is posing a threat to your personal safety, you’re not informed or high-level enough to defend yourself as specified in the Second Amendment.


Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2013 - 11:34am PT
Why are there Government Regulations??

Because they were mandated by the circumstances in history.
People and property were destroyed,

To avoid short term gain over long term health.
No control allows money and power to be directly controlled by the most criminally minded.................

What kind of brainwashing does it take to make someone soo forgetful of history to think that L F And totally free markets with no Government overview can work..

It does work for some, but it sucks, just look at all the countries that Suck.
jghedge

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:05pm PT
"One thing they missed doing was limiting campaign contributions. Our whole supposed democratic system is now fundamentally undermined by the highest bidder. The whole foundation of getting into elected office is one thing only."

Except going by the last election, money not only had no positive effect as far as getting candidates elected, it seems to have had the opposite effect. Repubs spent hundreds of millions and got practically nothing in return. Gerrymandering districts worked for them in House races far better than the hundreds of millions they wasted (actually not wasted - those millions went straight into the broadcast trade unions for pensions, health benefits, and contributions to union-favored campaigns).
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:06pm PT
Libertarians, here are your market forces at work:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bus-crash-20130205,0,7342183.story
rectorsquid

climber
Lake Tahoe
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:17pm PT
One problem with the bus crash is that people, who could have taken some of their own responsibility and found out that the bus was not safe, relied on the government to protect them.

I'm not for a huge reductions in government oversight but people taking a bus and rock climbers both need to take some amount of responsibility for their own safety.

The same goes for any activity. If the government steps in then people turn off their own brains and expect 100% perfect safety. Reducing government might cause a few ill side effects but the people who are able to manage their own lives might be better off for it.

So what is the alternative, more taxes to do more bus inspections? The problem is that the government would then have some sort of mandate to make things perfectly safe and the cost of that enhanced safety is one of the down sides of our current 100% safety culture.

I'll bet that we could get rid of TSA and hire those screeners as bus inspectors and save a lot more lives.

Dave
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2013 - 12:26pm PT
One problem with the bus crash is that people, who could have taken some of their own responsibility and found out that the bus was not safe, relied on the government to protect them.


WTF???

How are the people riding the Bus goig to know if the Bus or the Driver are safe?
There is no place to go that rates these things as safe or not.

we have to trust something, otherwise we would have pure chaos

When you buy a Bus Tour, you are buying trust that they will make the trip safe.
climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Feb 6, 2013 - 12:38pm PT
Except going by the last election, money not only had no positive effect as far as getting candidates elected, it seems to have had the opposite effect. Repubs spent hundreds of millions and got practically nothing in return. Gerrymandering districts worked for them in House races far better than the hundreds of millions they wasted (actually not wasted - those millions went straight into the broadcast trade unions for pensions, health benefits, and contributions to union-favored campaigns).

That is an improper conclusion. One might say that excess funds had surprisingly low affect on the margin but one cannot deny the need for some millions to even get in the door.

There is most likely an upper limit where money has less and less ability to determine the outcome between 2 candidates. I'm sure the influence curve is like most any performance curve where it flattens out at the top,

However it still stands as completely valid that one cannot enter the race with any legitimate chance of winning without several millions of corrupting bribes.. er donations.

Who MUST a politician serve first and foremoest.. or not piss off above all. The Donors come first in general and constituents later if it does not interfere.

Even for the most honorable politicians the concern for donations weighs too heavily on their mind. It is a built in severe true conflict of interest. One that does severe damage to the process of good governance for the people. For example both caucuses strongly advise their members to spend about half their time in office on FUNDRAISING!! Even if they are in secure unopposed seats.

We have become so accustomed to this that we simply do not consider it unusual or wrong. When it is probably the foundation of the problems we face. I suspect it is at least half the problem in politics today and why so little progress in all the important problems we debate is made.

Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Feb 6, 2013 - 01:19pm PT
Slavery was a fun LF Capitolist endeavour.

Lotsa folks got rich.. didn't hurt nuthin right?

Love that competition stuff.. its great till someone wins. And someone always does.

Monopoly is a fun game.

Pure laissez faire markets also have no prohibitions against bribery, market manipulation, insider trading, child labor, workplace environments filled with asbestos and other hazardous materials, abhorrent working conditions and hours, slave wages and any number of other nasty things that are undesirable in a civilized society.

Curt
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 6, 2013 - 01:28pm PT
Is anyone seriously proposing a United States government bereft of regulatory power? Enough of the straw man bashing.

The issue isn't regulatory power, it's stupid legislation, regulations and regulators (like Dodd-Frank, the regulations originating therefrom, and the CFPB), whose marginal costs greatly exceed any marginal benefit. All they do is allow the incumbents to allege that they've "done something" about a perceived problem.

John
Bharata

Mountain climber
Pune
Feb 6, 2013 - 01:46pm PT
Congratulations and heartfelt thanks to our own United States government for having the courage to assassinate American citizens who have betrayed their own country to become the lowest of low life terrorists.

This is not torture which is of course abominable but instant justice.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Feb 6, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
Is anyone seriously proposing a United States government bereft of regulatory power? Enough of the straw man bashing.

John, isn't that the Libertarian platform? Some of the GOP nominees ran on very Libertarian principles, no?
jghedge

climber
Feb 6, 2013 - 01:55pm PT
"One problem with the bus crash is that people, who could have taken some of their own responsibility and found out that the bus was not safe, relied on the government to protect them."

Ridiculous. Who determines if the bus company is safe in the first place? The gov't.

Where are they going to find out if the bus company is safe?
TradEddie

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 6, 2013 - 01:56pm PT
Except going by the last election, money not only had no positive effect as far as getting candidates elected, it seems to have had the opposite effect. Repubs spent hundreds of millions and got practically nothing in return.
But the Democrats spent much the same, and get to take their turn screwing up the country. It's not the spending that causes the problems, it may be the only kind of trickle-down economics that works.
The problem with campaign financing is the dependency of politicians from both sides on donations, large or small. Whether its the appearance or risk of corruption, the vast resources wasted in fundraising, or the disproportionate influence of rich individuals, corporations or trade unions, the end result is not democracy, its some form of capito-oligo-cracy.

TE
Dave Kos

Social climber
Temecula
Feb 6, 2013 - 01:58pm PT
Is anyone seriously proposing a United States government bereft of regulatory power?

I've heard many a Ron Paul fanboy make this proposal.

I'm not certain they accurately reflected Ron Paul's positions, as I never really studied his platform in detail, but I know that a lot of his supporters seemed to believe that almost all government regulations were unnecessary.

And then there was Rick Perry, who was going to eliminate three regulatory agencies: Education, Commerce, and ... I can't remember the third one...

(Most likely he wanted to say EPA, which is a popular conservative villain.)
Dr. F.

Big Wall climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 6, 2013 - 02:07pm PT
If the Republicans are going to spend 1 billion dollars to win an election
The Dems Have to spend at least a half a billion dollars to stop them

Then Dems have always been for campaign finance regulations, but the Right Wingers gut them so their fascist partners can help them gain power

Vote All Republicans OUT, then we can have campaign finance regulations that Work for the people.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Feb 6, 2013 - 02:22pm PT
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Oh look, there went Campaign Finance Reform down the drain.



A N D

Oh look Bookworm started another political thread.
http://www.supertopo.com/climbers-forum/2065403/New-Interior-Secretary

I think i will respond to it here where it belongs.

Obama could nominate Jesus Christ and the republicans would still crucify him.
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