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Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 13, 2014 - 03:20pm PT
When given a choice of devolving or moving on, I move on.

No devolution required.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 13, 2014 - 03:30pm PT
@ John E - could you flesh out which SCOTUS decision(s) the executive branch is flouting? There have been quite a few historic ones lately.

JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 13, 2014 - 03:34pm PT
Bob, if you recall, after the 2010 elections, and particularly in 2012, Boehner met with Obama to try to work out a "grand bargain," and seemed to make decent progress. It's certainly apparent that these two individually get along, but the Republicans got rolled by Reid in the process. Neither House Republicans nor the Administration have been particularly cooperative since.

As for calling someone a "liar," I think the resulting apology acknowledges that such behavior is unacceptable, but Obama's speeches in what should be a bipartisan context aren't exactly neutral. His attack on the SCOTUS in the State of the Union after the Citizens United decision was particularly inappropriate and cowardly, since he, as a Constitutional scholar, knew that his target had no opportunity to defend itself when the President intentionally misrepresented that decision. Alito's shaking of his head and talking to himself was rather too mild a response.

John
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 13, 2014 - 03:38pm PT
Tvash, I wasn't referring to a literal Supreme Court decision, but rather to the executive's failure to defer to the authority of the other branches. The non-recess "recess appointments" are perhaps the most egregious, since they show contempt of both other branches of government. The D.C. Circuit has already ruled the NLRB decisions without a proper quorum of duly-appointed and confirmed commissioners illegal, and neither the Circuit nor the SCOTUS has stayed that decision. Nonetheless, the NLRB continues on as if those rulings don't exist.

It's almost as if this administration decided that it would not enforce laws it didn't like.

John
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 13, 2014 - 03:40pm PT
John posted
It's certainly apparent that these two individually get along, but the Republicans got rolled by Reid in the process.

They got rolled by Tea Partiers refusing 10:1 budget cuts to tax hikes. Reid was opposed to some entitlements that Obama was squishy on but there would have been a bargain were it not for the "not one red cent" crowd.

And to say that it has been "uncooperative since" completely ignores the fact that it was WHOLLY UNCOOPERATIVE BEFORE! During the stimulus discussions in early 2009 there were plenty of Republicans working with Dems about what to do until the marching orders came down that "we can't play." The Republicans have been working the obstructionist angle ever since.

John posted
It's almost as if this administration decided that it would not enforce laws it didn't like.

Did someone take over your account? What's up with all the talking points?
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 13, 2014 - 03:41pm PT
John...you continue to blame Reid, democrats and white house dog, but never in any content have you blamed the radical right wing (tea baggers) that basically control Boehner and the house.


Using the national debt as a weapon against this president and the country is a pathetic tactic and did nothing but hurt this country and it's people.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Mar 13, 2014 - 03:53pm PT
Bob, I've let my displeasure of the tea baggers be known often, and I agree that they have been an obstacle to bipartisan cooperation, but they hardly "control" the Republican leadership. I know I receive Facebook ads from the Tea Baggers asking me to help get rid of Boehner and McConnell almost as often as I get ads from the Democrats to help, e.g., Al Franken get rid of Citizens United.

(I'm told that the Facebook advertisers select their targets from the political views of my friends, so you're partly responsible for my getting the pro-Democratic ads. I consider that a benefit, by the way!)

I think we're unlikely to get much further in changing each others' views on this matter, though, because it's partly a matter of perspective. I see Obama's failure to get cooperation from congressional Republicans as his failure; you see it as their failure. Maybe it goes back to what I used to say, namely it's folly to try to fix the blame for a failure to agree on only one side, because each side will always find the other unreasonable.

John

Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 13, 2014 - 03:56pm PT
The appointments came in the wake of years of "we will confirm no Obama appointees, ever" from the GOP - just to be fair.

I would have done the same thing just to keep government functioning - that's been a bit of an...um...issue in recent years.

Mess with the President and, you know? He messes back sometimes. Want a strong Obama? Well, you got one.

The president understands his primary fiduciary responsibility - to keep government functioning, even if the Tea Party does not. If Congress was under an 'at will' employment contract, not a single Tea Party member would still be working there - they'd be fired for non-performance.

I've managed quite a few folks - 65, at one point, so yeah, I know something about all that.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 13, 2014 - 03:58pm PT
"Mess with the President and, you know? He messes back sometimes."


After all....he is the 'Decider'.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 13, 2014 - 04:04pm PT
Mitch the turtle...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc

Not jobs, not rebuilding America, not healthcare reform, just defeat Obama.

Sad.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Mar 13, 2014 - 05:32pm PT
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 13, 2014 - 05:33pm PT
John...great to have a low-life (Sketch) like the above poster on your side.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 13, 2014 - 05:47pm PT
Stay classy, sketch!

You make your Party proud...
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 13, 2014 - 05:52pm PT
Iiiiiit's official - the ACLU is providing Snowden legal representation.

This guy deserves the best, and he's getting exactly that.

You know, people post cartoons to get a reaction. If you don't give them one....

I see that last post and I'm not offended at all - I just think its more stupid than funny, and that makes the poster less interesting IMO. Conversely, truly funny stuff raptures a poster to the highest levels of my mental Hebbin, where nubile 20 something cherubettes frolic amongst thick clouds of schmoke, playing blues harps between courses of an eternal, guilt-free Hawaiian pig roast.

Life is short. It can seem a lot longer if you surround yourself with stupid.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 13, 2014 - 07:27pm PT
Coz as Judge, Jury and EExecutioner. Nice, real nice.
First maybe you would explain exactly what secrets he gave to China and Russia?

If putting American troops and personel including spooks at risk is your big issue here then please explain your feelings about this case.

On July 14, 2003, Washington Post journalist Robert Novak, using information obtained from Richard Armitage at the US State Department, effectively ended Valerie Plame's career with the CIA (from which she later resigned in December 2005) by revealing in his column her identity as a CIA operative.[34][35] Legal documents published in the course of the CIA leak grand jury investigation, United States v. Libby, and Congressional investigations, establish her classified employment as a covert officer for the CIA at the time when Novak's column was published in July 2003.[35][36][37]
In his press conference of October 28, 2005, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald explained in considerable detail the necessity of secrecy about his grand jury investigation that began in the fall of 2003 "when it was clear that Valerie Wilson's cover had been blown" and the background and consequences of the indictment of then high-ranking Bush Administration official Lewis Libby as it pertains to Valerie E. Wilson.[17]
Fitzgerald's subsequent replies to reporters' questions shed further light on the parameters of the leak investigation and what, as its lead prosecutor, bound by the rules of grand jury secrecy, he could and could not reveal legally at the time.[17] Official court documents released later, on April 5, 2006, reveal that Libby testified that "he was specifically authorized in advance" of his meeting with New York Times reporter Judith Miller to disclose the "key judgments" of the October 2002 classified National Intelligence Estimate (NIE). According to Libby's testimony, "the Vice President later advised him that the President had authorized defendant to disclose the relevant portions of the NIE [to Judith Miller]."[38] According to his testimony, the information that Libby was authorized to disclose to Miller "was intended to rebut the allegations of an administration critic, former ambassador Joseph Wilson." A couple of days after Libby's meeting with Miller, then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice told reporters, "We don't want to try to get into kind of selective declassification" of the NIE, adding, "We're looking at what can be made available."[39] A "sanitized version" of the NIE in question was officially declassified on July 18, 2003, ten days after Libby's contact with Miller, and was presented at a White House background briefing on weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq.[40] The NIE contains no references to Valerie Plame or her CIA status, but the Special Counsel has suggested that White House actions were part of "a plan to discredit, punish or seek revenge against Mr. Wilson."[41] President Bush had previously indicated that he would fire whoever had outed Plame.[39]
A court filing by Libby's defense team argued that Plame was not foremost in the minds of administration officials as they sought to rebut charges made by her husband that the White House manipulated intelligence to make a case for invasion. The filing indicated that Libby's lawyers did not intend to say that he was told to reveal Plame's identity.[42] The court filing also stated that "Mr. Libby plans to demonstrate that the indictment is wrong when it suggests that he and other government officials viewed Ms. Wilson's role in sending her husband to Africa as important," indicating that Libby's lawyers planned to call Karl Rove to the stand. According to Rove's lawyer, Fitzgerald decided against pressing charges against Rove.[34] , The five-count indictment of Libby included perjury (two counts), obstruction of justice (one count), and making false statements to federal investigators (two counts). There was, however, no count for disclosing classified information, i.e., Plame's status as a CIA operative. Indeed, it was already widely known (even by prosecutor Fitzgerald) that the actual "leaker" was Richard Armitage, via columnist Robert Novak. No evidence has ever come to light that Mr. Libby disclosed Plame's CIA status to Mr. Novak, or anyone else.
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Mar 13, 2014 - 07:30pm PT


"The circle jerk coutinues..."...


You seem to be enjoying it...

How many times have you unloaded???...




LOL!!!...
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Mar 13, 2014 - 07:31pm PT
Dude save that kind of talk for the Gun Hugger's thread.
LOL
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Mar 13, 2014 - 07:33pm PT


The ORIGINAL...

"Pistol"...





;-)



EDITED:


Mine is a MAGNUM...(EDITED: Posted from the Phoenix International Airport ;-)




LOL!!!...
WBraun

climber
Mar 13, 2014 - 08:05pm PT
and exposed secrets to the enemy that put American lives in danger.

That never happened ....the MSM made that sh!t up ....
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 13, 2014 - 08:09pm PT
No, he actually didn't, Coz. You're a willing dupe in a smear campaign. I don't believe you're aware of what he information he made public. At all.

I am.
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