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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 1, 2013 - 10:23pm PT
>Ken - it's a punt....it doesn't really take care of anything meaningful

The measure would protect more than 100 million families earning less than $250,000 a year from significant income tax increases set to take effect this month — although payroll taxes will rise for most households in 2013 with the end of a temporary tax cut approved two years ago.

In addition to dealing with the fiscal crisis, the measure would extend federal farm policies through September, averting an estimated doubling of milk prices. The deal also nixed a scheduled pay raise for members of Congress.


Yeah, nothing meaningful there.

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 1, 2013 - 10:31pm PT


The character assassination of Hillary Clinton

By Kathleen Parker, Tuesday, January 1, 5:08 PM

The new year began not with a cannonball off the “fiscal cliff” but with an outbreak of conspiratorial cynicism.

This time it’s Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, whose fall and concussion, followed by a blood clot between her brain and skull, has prompted an embarrassment of theories. The gist: That woman will do anything to avoid testifying about Benghazi.

Several commentators on the right opined via Twitter and TV, those most deadly hosts for the parasites of rumor and innuendo, that Clinton was faking her concussion to duck out on her appearance before congressional committees investigating the attack on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Libya that killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans.

An independent report published last month placed substantial responsibility for the deaths on the State Department. Not only was security at the Benghazi compound weak, relying heavily on local forces with conflicting loyalties, but requests for additional security apparently were ignored or denied.

The sentiment that Clinton might not wish to testify on the matter is not without reason. It is hard to imagine the agony of knowing that one’s lack of vigilance may have contributed to four deaths. But the attacks on Clinton during her illness, essentially attacks on her character, have been cruel and unfair. What must the world think of us?

Clinton, who fainted as a result of dehydration after a bout of flu, hit her head and suffered a concussion, after which a blood clot was discovered. She had to be hospitalized while blood-thinning medications were administered and monitored.

Although her critics backed off once the clot was reported, initial responses ranged from “She’s faking” to demands for proof of her concussion.

One writer demanded her medical records. John Bolton, former ambassador to the United Nations, called Clinton’s affliction a “diplomatic illness” to avoid testifying about Benghazi. Later he suggested that details were skimpy in an effort to protect her potential 2016 presidential run.

“I think it’s the too-cute-by-half approach that’s reflected in the absence of transparency that’s going to end up damaging her and damaging her credibility,” he said on Fox News.

Again, Clinton may well prefer to miss her day before the firing squad, but it is unlikely that doctors or a hospital would assist a secretary of state — or anyone — in concocting a fake affliction.

Besides, you can’t have it every which way. Immediately after the Benghazi attacks, Clinton took full responsibility for the events and was accused by Republicans of falling on her sword to protect President Obama. Now that she’s temporarily indisposed and unable to elaborate on her admitted responsibility, those same critics insist she’s trying to avoid taking personal responsibility.

The viciousness of the pundit class is disheartening and disgusting. And these days everyone’s a pundit. Got an opinion? Why, step right up to the microphone. If you’re “good TV,” you too can be a “contributor.”

Out in the hinterlands, where Americans consume “news” that suits their political proclivities, opinions are formed on the basis of what-he-said. Reputations and lives are ruined on the tines of pitchforks glimmering in the light of torch-bearing mobs. And those are just the “news” shows.

One doesn’t have to be a fan of Hillary Clinton, though a Bloomberg poll says that two-thirds of Americans are, to feel tainted by the relish with which she and many others have been attacked — unfairly and disproportionately. Susan Rice, who was Obama’s favorite to replace Clinton as secretary of state, comes to mind.

But this isn’t a problem only for women or Democrats. The rush to character assassination seems to be our only bipartisan imperative and is a blight on our political system. In this brooding age of superstition and portent, every misspoken word is a lie, every human error a hanging offense.

This is to suggest not that we be naive or credulous but that we seek some balance in our approach to discovery. At the moment, we seem to be ricocheting between hysteria and delusion.

Eventually, Clinton will have to step forward and take her medicine. She is slated to appear before the House Foreign Affairs Committee in mid-January, though the date hasn’t been set. The nation clearly needs answers on what happened in Benghazi, and no doubt Clinton will provide them.

This is not blind faith in a favored politician but respect for a process that relies on accepted rules of order. We owe our representative to the world — which is to say, ourselves — at least this much.

kathleenparker@washpost.com

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Jan 1, 2013 - 11:37pm PT
John Bolton is one of the most miserable rotten bastards that the Bush administration ever produced
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:00am PT
No, Bruce.

He is just one of the most miserable rotten bastards.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:06am PT
The House passed it. Amazing.

In a sign of the moment’s gravity, Boehner himself cast a rare vote: He supported the bill. So did Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis.),
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:40am PT
Besides, you can’t have it every which way. Immediately after the Benghazi attacks, Clinton took full responsibility for the events and was accused by Republicans of falling on her sword to protect President Obama. Now that she’s temporarily indisposed and unable to elaborate on her admitted responsibility, those same critics insist she’s trying to avoid taking personal responsibility.

That's why these f*#king guys ain't even worth pissing on anymore and if you are still a Republican you're a pathetic idiot.
Decko

Trad climber
Colorado
Jan 2, 2013 - 01:29am PT
The Republican Party is full of old white men.........

What they will never realize is that the world is not full of old white men anymore
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 2, 2013 - 06:14am PT
The measure would protect more than 100 million families earning less than $250,000 a year from significant income tax increases set to take effect this month — although payroll taxes will rise for most households in 2013 with the end of a temporary tax cut approved two years ago.

In addition to dealing with the fiscal crisis, the measure would extend federal farm policies through September, averting an estimated doubling of milk prices. The deal also nixed a scheduled pay raise for members of Congress.

Wouldn't most of these things have occurred in a normal functioning government anyway - it's all part of mythical and fully created crisis..no?
So really all that was done is that a large portion of the Bush tax cuts were made permanent.
This "deal" does nothing to address massive over spending everywhere, ridiculously low taxes on the rich, practically zero corporate tax, loop holes, and economic policy that has created the largest income disparity in American history....and that is just the very tip off the iceberg of the issues we actually have to deal with..

What they did was create a red herring - then solve the problems of the red herring.

The republicans lost and the democrats won?
One idiot wants no taxes and the other idiot wants no cuts..
pathetic..

And milk is bad for you...lol

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 2, 2013 - 07:01am PT
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/8-huge-corporate-handouts-fiscal-cliff-bill?page=0%2C1


6) $9B Off-shore financing loophole for banks – Sec. 322 is an “Extension of the Active Financing Exception to Subpart F.” Very few tax loopholes have a trade association, but this one does. This strangely worded provision basically allows American corporations such as banks and manufactures to engage in certain lending practices and not pay taxes on income earned from it. According to this Washington Post piece, supporters of the bill include GE, Caterpillar, and JP Morgan. Steve Elmendorf, super-lobbyist, has been paid $80,000 in 2012 alone to lobby on the “Active Financing Working Group.”

7) Tax credits for foreign subsidiaries – Sec. 323 is an extension of the “Look-through treatment of payments between related CFCs under foreign personal holding company income rules.” This gibberish sounding provision cost $1.5 billion from 2010 and 2011, and the US Chamber loves it. It’s a provision that allows US multinationals to not pay taxes on income earned by companies they own abroad.

8) Bonus Depreciation, R&D Tax Credit – These are well-known corporate boondoggles. The research tax credit was projected to cost $8B for 2010 and 2011, and the depreciation provisions were projected to cost about $110B for those two years, with some of that made up in later years
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 2, 2013 - 07:30am PT
Norquist's own words
84 percent of the Bush tax cuts now permanent
Sure this delusional idiot might be covering his ass to stay relevant - but facts are facts and this whole thing starts again in 2 months.



“Not having read it all, I’m not endorsing it. But right now, as explained, it doesn't violate the pledge,” Norquist said. “We need to go back and at the end of the day make sure that the tax cuts are made permanent for everybody, but that’s a fight for the weeks and months to come. This is progress, making 84 percent of the Bush tax cuts permanent.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/grover-tax-rates-wont-increase-85603.html#ixzz2Gow9UI2L


Obama needed to go to war with these idiots(both the left and the right) in the same way Lincoln went to war in so many ways for the 13th amendment - he hasn't and he won't...
I'm worried i have made a mistake supporting Obama.
time will tell
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 2, 2013 - 07:59am PT
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/the-price-tag-4-trillion-added-to-deficit-85651.html?ml=po_r
dirtbag

climber
Jan 2, 2013 - 08:20am PT
I'm worried i have made a mistake supporting Obama.
time will tell

No you didn't make a mistake.

You voted for the best candidate available. That is the choice we must make every election--not a carbon copy of ourselves, but the best person on the ballot at that time. I always thought Obama's weakness was negotiating. In 2010, he negotiated against himself, so I am not surprised.

But who else would I support--Romney? No fooking way. Waste a vote on a third party candidate? No.

FWIW, I haven't made up my mind about this deal.
nature

climber
Boulder, CO
Jan 2, 2013 - 11:27am PT
who's idea was it to raise social security from 4.2% to 6.2%?
bookworm

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Jan 2, 2013 - 11:28am PT
"The men are the latest example of how the Obama administration has embraced rendition — the practice of holding and interrogating terrorism suspects in other countries without due process — despite widespread condemnation of the tactic in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/renditions-continue-under-obama-despite-due-process-concerns/2013/01/01/4e593aa0-5102-11e2-984e-f1de82a7c98a_story.html


liberals are never "wrong" because they don't believe in anything
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Jan 2, 2013 - 12:25pm PT
How can it be wrong to want to save this Country from Republican destruction

We believe in all the Right Things, as opposed to passionately believing and supporting in the WRONG Things

Rendition is a Right Wing Policy advocated by Republicans.
To bad you guys had Bush as President, America will never be the same.
jstan

climber
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:28pm PT

Proof positive that Dr. F is a prude.

Posting a picture of an overdressed lady on ST!

Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Soon to be Nipple suckling Liberal
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:32pm PT
Senate-Passed Deal Means Higher Taxes on 77% of Households
Tuesday, 01 Jan 2013 02:10 PM








The budget deal passed by the U.S. Senate today would raise taxes on 77.1 percent of U.S. households, mostly because of the expiration of a payroll tax cut, according to preliminary estimates from the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in Washington.

More than 80 percent of households with incomes between $50,000 and $200,000 would pay higher taxes. Among the households facing higher taxes, the average increase would be $1,635, the policy center said. A 2 percent payroll tax cut, enacted during the economic slowdown, is being allowed to expire as of yesterday.

The heaviest new burdens in 2013, compared with 2012, would fall on top earners, who would face higher rates on income, capital gains, dividends and estates. The top 1 percent of taxpayers, or those with incomes over $506,210, would pay an average of $73,633 more in taxes.

Much of that burden is concentrated at the very top of the income scale.

The top 0.1 percent of taxpayers, those with incomes over about $2.7 million, would pay an average of $443,910 more, reducing their after-tax incomes by 8.4 percent. They would pay 26 percent of the additional taxes imposed by the legislation.

Among households with incomes between $500,000 and $1 million, taxes would go up by an average of $14,812.
Top Tax Rate

The bill, being discussed by House members today, would raise the top tax rate to 39.6 percent from 35 percent last year, starting with income over $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for married couples.

The top tax rates on capital gains and dividends would go up to 23.8 percent, from 15 percent last year. The new rate includes a 3.8 percent tax from the 2010 health-care law that took effect today.

The Tax Policy Center’s definition of income is a gross measure that includes items such as the employer’s share of payroll taxes, making it larger for many households than the adjusted gross income shown on tax returns.


Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:34pm PT
Norquist's own words
84 percent of the Bush tax cuts now permanent

Are they?

What would happen if Congress passed a bill to change them, tomorrow, and the President signed it?
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:40pm PT
Aren't you and other Repubs happy, Ron? The ending of the TEMPORARY STIMULUS payroll tax vacation that funds social security?

You DO favor funding social security, don't you?

You DO favor paying for things that you get, don't you?
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Jan 2, 2013 - 12:45pm PT
Thanks JStan Now I've gone all Beady eyed.
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