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Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:16pm PT
I think it's helpful to remember that state lines are completely artificial and arbitrary human constructs. There is virtually no difference in culture when one crosses the state line deep in the Mojave. One hardly notices. To put a value judgement on an entire state and its population is silly. Better to focus on specific policies of that state in a pragmatic way - what works to make the place better and does the opposite.

I'd venture to guess that, when you get right down to it, we'd all agree on most of what makes a place better as opposed to worse.

Regarding gangs, they are a meme, and memes flow fluidly across the land these days. The new gangs in NV are made of up of Nevadans who chose to form new chapters, primarily. Gangs don't expand due to actual human migration.


Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
Not on this forum Tvash. ;-)

And was it arbitrary when CA attempted to disrupt trade with AZ over the illegals issues?


Is it arbitrary that property values plummeted in a section of Carson City now referred to as little TJ?
Is it arbitrary that now in that very same area, police are assigned to THAT AREA ONLY?

Is it arbitrary that i nearly came to blows in a wallmart parking lot with a mexican man who disliked the fact i had a US BORDER PATROL hat on my dash board?


These are real life for me. And a real problem as well.




and ps, you DEAD WRONG - that statement about gangs and NV. I belong to a citizens committee and have had many a meeting with the Sheriffs dept on this very issue and have studied it IN DEPTH. You have to KNOW ones enemy.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:27pm PT
My brother in law is Mexican. Gangs and criminality come in all colors, Ron. For every one of your bad experiences, I have a thousand examples of generosity, kindness, family loyalty, and leading by example from much time spent in the Spanish speaking world.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:29pm PT
I know that very well Tvash. I myself have MANY Mexican friends here. Great folks, HAPPY ,, repeat HAPPY to be here and be American. They would not return to Mexico for anything. THAT is what immigration is all about.


In fact, i have had Mexican ST members stop by the shop for visits, and NOT ONE OF THEM considers me to be a racist over my views of illegals and gangs.



Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:31pm PT
The gang issue is an interesting one. Gang dynamics and the solutions which mitigate gang violence (which actually work) aren't necessarily what you might think.

Ending Prohibition 2.0 is step one - it's not the whole solution by any means, however.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:32pm PT
Gangs and criminality come in all colors, Ron. For every one of your bad experiences, I have a thousand examples of generosity, kindness, family loyalty, and leading by example from much time spent in the Spanish speaking world.

This bears repeating, as my experience is similar.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:35pm PT


I am just gonna make up sh#t in my head and then post it as the truth

life is a lot easier that way

really, why bother?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:35pm PT
Bears repeating?? WHO IN THE HELL is talking about spanish speaking folks Brandon?
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:35pm PT
I should also mention the obvious - most of California = spoils of war with Mexico.
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:37pm PT
You are, amigo.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:38pm PT
Im talking about ILLEGALS and criminal gang members. Those that HAVE DELIVERED threats to me or any one else not of a darker color. Want to talk about prejudice??
Brandon-

climber
The Granite State.
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:41pm PT
Good call, I'm a huge bigot.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:45pm PT
Frankly, I believe all three countries would be far better off with open borders - no border security at all.

You can bet the US would end Prohibition 2.0 right quick. The cartels would dry up and blow away immediately. You can also bet that each country would take a long, cold look at the policies that create migration for jobs. And speaking of that - supply and demand for labor would be equalized through true free market mechanisms.

Fortress America hides the damage each country's policies inflict. It allows us and our neighbors to continue the bullsh#t. When you have open borders - you get real honest, real quick about things.

Perhaps America might finally address why it's population likes to escape life through drugs more than any other on earth - ie, why we're just not that happy.
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:49pm PT
Without a border you HAVE NO COUNTRY. Period. And wouldnt open borders allow anyone from around the globe to enter? Tvash you speak of some utpoia that has never , and will never exist.

I have never entered some other country and threatened those that live there. Just like most Americans. However, many dont play by our rules do they.
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Mar 8, 2014 - 01:58pm PT
Here are my thoughts (as I continue to engage in work avoidance)...ranks are meh. I mean X has a higher rate than Y is a distraction from perhaps that X and Y are both too high.

Ron you know I can't resist addressing a comment on crime data. :) You troll! :)
Crimpergirl

Sport climber
Boulder, Colorado!
Mar 8, 2014 - 02:00pm PT
One last comment I can't pass up making....That is to offer a hearty round of applause to HighdesertDJ for this earlier post:

Chapter 4, verse 7:

And lo were the simple led astray by the shadow of literalism;
And cast into a swirling pit;
of misunderstanding and using commas in vain.

I'm still laughing about this! Hahah! Thanks
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Mar 8, 2014 - 02:01pm PT
I did have a feeling you would show up lol! ;-)

dirtbag

climber
Mar 8, 2014 - 02:02pm PT
And Dirt, there has been article after article of the huge economic impact of last seasons wildfires in CA. Has this "surplus" been used to remedy ANY of that? The Governor of CA still attempts to beg FED money for fixing the burned areas, has the surplus been used for any of that?

Um...what do you expect the state to do?
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Mar 8, 2014 - 02:04pm PT
with a billion or more surplus,, you tell me Dirt. What is being done WITH said "surplus"? Is it drawing interest somehwere? And of so, for whom?

Seems to me a GOV would seek to relieve some of that economic hardship or possibly buy some REHAB work for its own lands. But thats just me.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 8, 2014 - 02:09pm PT
Dealing with Ron is like being in the movie Groundhog Day.


Ron wrote: with a billion or more surplus,, you tell me Dirt. What is being done WITH said "surplus"? Is it drawing interest somehwere? And of so, for whom?


But Ron...you just posted there was no surplus.

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