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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 31, 2012 - 11:07am PT
You might try comparing the US, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany.
Mimi

climber
Dec 31, 2012 - 11:08am PT
You can only compare three at a time but yeah, very interesting nevertheless. Several country comparisons are surprising and counterintuitive.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 31, 2012 - 11:08am PT
When people talk about how companies and rich people are going to move out of the US when taxes are raised, I wonder where it is that they are talking about them moving to?
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 31, 2012 - 11:45am PT
Ken,

The austerity in Europe is fairly widespread because the European social expenditures depend on a rising population of workers. The difference is in the pain involved. Germany has done comparatively much better than Greece and Italy, for example, because they were never to the point of having so few paying for so many. When the Greeks hit what should have been a tipping point, they continued to borrow, and the EU community, in particular, continued to lend, thereby making the day of reckoning much more catastrophic. The Republicans want to avoid that catastrophe by controlling unsustainable spending now.

John
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 31, 2012 - 11:51am PT
John:

In the above you draw a very clear picture. Clear pictures can cause clear consequences.

Let's suppose the "Democrats do not drive us over the cliff".

In that case will you grant that the administration is not solely interested in benefitting itself?

I think this administration is, ultimately, intent on doing what they think is best for America, as was every previous administration. That's why, despite its mantra that everything bad is Bush's fault, it has largely continued to pursue the Bush foreign policy, and now desires to keep the Bush tax cuts almost entirely in place. The tax increase for "the rich" represents, after all, a very small amount of revenue in the overall picture.

I was mainly skewering the Democrats over the disconnect between their rhetoric and their actions.

John
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2012 - 05:42pm PT
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rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 31, 2012 - 05:51pm PT
Arm teachers after breaking their unions...Priceless.. .Sounds like something MiMi could get behind...? RJ
jghedge

climber
Dec 31, 2012 - 07:09pm PT
Repubs Agree To Raise Taxes, With NO Spending Cuts

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/01/us-usa-fiscal-deal-idUSBRE90001H20130101

Hahahahaha


Hey Repubs


Obama OWNS You

Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 31, 2012 - 07:17pm PT
How pathetic can one get when they show links ONLY to right wing "opinion" sources

your sh#t does not hold up, getting all your talking points from your "friends"?

a high school kid could destroy you in a credible fact truth debate


If I posted only far left "sources' to prove my sh#t, you would laugh at me

yet you, you miserable intellectually lazy as hell bitter losing partisan moron, do it above



Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2012 - 08:34pm PT
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Dr. F.

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SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 31, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
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Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 1, 2013 - 01:21pm PT
So, the repug majority in the house cannot even come up with any sort of plan---of any type, whatsoever---to avert the "cliff".

They say, well, it is up to the President, and the Senate....completely giving up on THEIR JOB.

So...the Senate and the President DO their job, and come up with a reasonable compromise plan, that passes 89-8!

The House Republican leadership can't be bother to meet for "several days" to vote on this. But in the meantime, Eric Cantor comes out and states that he OPPOSES the plan.

Repubs say “We should not take a package put together by a bunch of octogenarians on New Year’s Eve,”

Funny, now they want to apply tests to WHO puts plans together? They don't seem to have a problem with plans for women's birth control crafted by a bunch of men!

Is Cantor an idiot?

Biden was brilliant in this, by all accounts. He bridged the divides, brought the sides together, made practical decisions.

Cantor is going to come off as a total fool, messing with the entire economy of the country.
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 1, 2013 - 01:45pm PT
The plan is dogsh#t....I hope it doesn't pass

Cantor is an idiot..
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 1, 2013 - 01:50pm PT
. Robert Reich : The deal emerging from the Senate is a lousy one. Let me count the ways:

The deal emerging from the Senate is a lousy one. Let me count the ways: http://www.facebook.com/RBReich/

1. Republicans haven’t conceded anything on the debt ceiling, so over the next two months – as the Treasury runs out of tricks to avoid a default – Republicans are likely to do exactly what they did before, which is to hold their votes on raising the ceiling hostage to major cuts in programs for the poor and in Medicare and Social Security.

2. The deal makes tax cuts for the rich permanent (extending the Bush tax cuts for incomes up to $400,000 if filing singly and $450,000 if jointly) while extending refundable tax credits for the poor (child tax credit, enlarged EITC, and tuition tax credit) for only five years. There’s absolutely no justification for this asymmetry.

3. It doesn’t get nearly enough revenue from the wealthiest 2 percent —only $600 billion over the next decade, which is half of what the President called for, and a small fraction of the White House’s goal of more than $4 trillion in deficit reduction. That means more of the burden of tax hikes and spending cuts in future years will fall on the middle class and the poor.

4. It continues to exempt the first $5 million of inherited wealth from the estate tax (the exemption used to be $1 million). This is a huge gift to the heirs of the wealthy, perpetuating family dynasties of the idle rich.

Yes, the deal finally gets Republicans to accept a tax increase on the wealthy, but this is an inside-the-Beltway symbolic victory. If anyone believes this will make the GOP more amenable to future tax increases, they don’t know how rabidly extremist the GOP has become.

The deal also extends unemployment insurance for more than 2 million long-term unemployed. That’s important.

But I can’t help believe the President could have done better than this. After all, public opinion is overwhelmingly on his side. Republicans would have been blamed had no deal been achieved.

More importantly, the fiscal cliff is on the President’s side as well. If we go over it, he and the Democrats in the next Congress that starts later this week can quickly offer legislation that grants a middle-class tax cut and restores most military spending. Even rabid Republicans would be hard-pressed not to sign on.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Jan 1, 2013 - 01:54pm PT
Is Cantor an idiot?


 Yes. He and the rest of the party are all idiots that need to be taken to an island where they are get things done… alone, where no body else can be harmed by their soaring ignorance.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Jan 1, 2013 - 02:14pm PT
While I like Reich, it is important to remember that he is an advocate
He will be furiously unhappy if he gets 99% of what he wants.

let's take his points:

1. Republicans haven’t conceded anything on the debt ceiling
This was NEVER ABOUT THE DEBT CEILING. That was an attempt to draw in something totally unrelelated, just to add something to the deal.
It was a negotiating point thrown in, so that you had something to give away. It always was.

2. The deal makes tax cuts for the rich permanent (extending the Bush tax cuts for incomes up to $400,000 if filing singly and $450,000 if jointly) while extending refundable tax credits for the poor (child tax credit, enlarged EITC, and tuition tax credit) for only five years. There’s absolutely no justification for this asymmetry.

"Permanent" is a loose term. This is not enshrined in the Constitution. These can be voted out at any time. The credits can be extended at any time, or made "permanent" at any time. This is a false equivalency.

3. It doesn’t get nearly enough revenue from the wealthiest 2 percent —only $600 billion over the next decade, which is half of what the President called for

I think that is what usually happens in negotiations. You usually end up with a portion of where you start from. If you end up with 100% of what you started with, you started from the wrong place, or you don't know how to negotiate.

4. It continues to exempt the first $5 million of inherited wealth from the estate tax (the exemption used to be $1 million). This is a huge gift to the heirs of the wealthy, perpetuating family dynasties of the idle rich.

I'm not sure that this is reasonable. $5 million covers the price of a number of relatively smaller generational family businesses that would otherwise have to be broken up or liquidated.

But I can’t help believe the President could have done better than this.


Without going over the cliff? Actually, we have already GONE over the cliff. Actually, WE DONT YET HAVE A DEAL.

Reich, you may yet sour this deal, and get us something worse.

The fact is, we have a bad situation. Virtually everybody is going to have to do some belt-tightening.

Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Jan 1, 2013 - 02:28pm PT
Ken - it's a punt....it doesn't really take care of anything meaningful

survival

Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
Jan 1, 2013 - 02:30pm PT
Honk if you think Congress sucks at doing their job.....
jghedge

climber
Jan 1, 2013 - 06:38pm PT
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2013/01/01/hollywood-loophole-fiscal-cliff

HUGE, and I mean HUGE tax breaks for the industry I work in

People cynically believe it doesn't matter who's in the WH

Hahahahahahahaha


Although, really, the billion or so repub super-pacs poured into broadcast advertising benefitted the broadcast unions (me and my brothers and sisters) way more than the new production tax incentives do

Just gotta know how to work the system, guys, and vote for your own interests

Not against them, like a Pathetic Repub Idiot
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