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Dec 30, 2012 - 06:21pm PT
"Everyone and their brother suspected Iraq had stuff."


Yes so let's spend $2 trillion to invade and occupy every dictator who might have chemical weapons, and remove their secular gov't and leave a muslim fundamentalist one in it's place

The Worst Foreign Policy Mistake In US History

On second thought, the War On Iraq wasn't all bad - it destroyed the repub party, ensured there will never be another repub president, and gave us ObamaCare

Which is what I was telling myself was what would happen from 2003 on - and I was right.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 30, 2012 - 06:33pm PT
Did someone mention National Security?

The worst "terrorist" attack on US soil was on 9/11

And make no mistake about it Deputy, 9/11 happened 100% under the Republican's watch.

The Republicans had the Presidency, House, and Senate.

They were warned "Bin laden determine to attack within the US"

ALL the Repubs had to do was order all commercial aircraft to have secured and lockable cockpits, same as Israel has had for decades.

That's right, it was THAT simple.

National Security is about "anticipating" and using "intelligence" to stop attacks.

Bush and his Republicans LACK of Intelligence was responsible for 3000 Americans being killed on 9/11

From National Security to destroying the US economy and presiding over recession, the Republican party is a collection of failures and ignorant bozos.

They are "done for", rightfully so, America has had enough of their childlike ignorance.

And don't get me started on the Republican's SPENDING and their growing the debt


Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 30, 2012 - 06:37pm PT
Yet Mi Mi continues to believe that the Republicans are fit to govern....? Go figure...!

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 30, 2012 - 06:45pm PT
Johnny, denial is not just a river in Egypt

Dunning-Kroger explanation for critical thinking failures also helps define their in your face ignorance

"The republican party is in trouble, we are running out of angry and stupid white people"

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2012 - 06:56pm PT
The Republicans spend too much, then blame their wild corrupt spending on Obama and say they won't pay for it

Obama has cut Gov. spending to it;s lowest levels in 50 years
Clinton also cut spending

The big Gov. Spenders are the Republicans, they just lie about it, and blame it on the Dems

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
Dec 30, 2012 - 07:34pm PT
Obama has cut Gov. spending to it;s lowest levels in 50 years

I looked at it by % of GDP and total $$ spent and its either an outright lie or we are dealing with a numbers game. I of course understand, in your mission, this lie is acceptable because in your "logic"(?) you cannot be wrong, because anyone not wearing a blue shirt is wrong.

Please clarify.

Also I am interested in any party members view on the recent FDA decision allowing gmo salmon. The hero of the world appointed this FDA chair and surely shares some responsibility for the decision?


Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 30, 2012 - 07:39pm PT
I just get sick when I think of the children.

They are going to have to work overtime in the future to pay off all this REPUBLICAN DEBT

Let's review: All spending must originate in the House

The Republicans control the House, and they have for over two years now.

Those Republicans are 100% responsible for voting for all this terrible spending

All they have to do is say NO, and not vote for it, but they can't stop spending.

And when they have the chance to say NO to raising the debt ceiling, THEY CAVE.


Dec 30, 2012 - 07:41pm PT
Norton, I keep giving you benefit of the doubt. Not anymore. You are a TOTAL buffoon.

Dr. F, you really need to cool it on the juice for awhile.
The Warbler

the edge of America
Dec 30, 2012 - 07:49pm PT
Rather than hurl insults and make insinuations about substance induced delusions, Mimi, why don't you back up your calling of BS with some facts?

You sound so sure of yourself it should be easy

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 30, 2012 - 07:57pm PT
The Classic Delacroix French Revolution painting of Liberty leading the rush through the barricades.

Mimi would have been on the other side, eating cake.

Credit: Fritz
The Warbler

the edge of America
Dec 30, 2012 - 08:05pm PT
As far as asking Mimi to back her opinion up, I guess this quote from the "Ignorance" thread explains why she doesn't feel that's important:

One, fact based.

The other, based on belief.

Why does belief not measure up as another valid reality? Just because it can't currently be empirically proven for most of us? Doesn't mean it lacks worth.

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 30, 2012 - 08:08pm PT
Skully! I substituted a better image. Nipples are there, but are subordinate to the artist's theme.

Dec 30, 2012 - 08:10pm PT
I love it when I ask for back up data and get a snide response but you readily ask me for a counter to yours. Whatever. I stand by my position that we will never agree and I fully believe that several of you guys are as deluded as you think I am.

And the double standard that you guys support is laughable and sophomoric.

Food for thought.


Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 30, 2012 - 08:37pm PT
Who was the Iraqi clown that Bush was paying 400 G a year to give us bogus intelligence...?

That would be Ahmed Chalabi


Dec 30, 2012 - 08:40pm PT
"Why does belief not measure up as another valid reality? Just because it can't currently be empirically proven for most of us? Doesn't mean it lacks worth."

Like i posted before, and caught sh#t for, but the above post proves

You'll never get anywhere arguing with a female over her emotions
The Warbler

the edge of America
Dec 30, 2012 - 08:48pm PT
Mimi dear,

You responded:

I love it when I ask for back up data and get a snide response but you readily ask me for a counter to yours.

Please back up your accusations, with a link, of a snide response from me when you asked me for back up data for a statement I have made.

I can't recall such a scenario. I believe it never happened.

Or perhaps you and yours are us in general - if you know what I'm saying. In which case, I'm sure you've gotten some snide responses from this crew.

If you can prove such a personal indiscretion, my apologies in advance.

If you can't prove it...

Back to square one

Edit: that's about the nicest way to spin it, Hedge
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 30, 2012 - 08:51pm PT
For whoever asked about Proof that Obama has cut spending

Dr. F.
Ice climber
SoCal Topic Author's Reply - Dec 3, 2012 - 09:04am PT

Truth once again proves Republicans Wrong about Everything,
This is for JE
Wall Street Journal

Obama spending binge never happened: Government outlays rising at slowest pace since 1950s

May 22, 2012|Rex Nutting, MarketWatch


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Of all the falsehoods told about President Barack Obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree.

As would-be president Mitt Romney tells it: “I will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno.”

Almost everyone believes that Obama has presided over a massive increase in federal spending, an “inferno” of spending that threatens our jobs, our businesses and our children’s future. Even Democrats seem to think it’s true.

But it didn’t happen. Although there was a big stimulus bill under Obama, federal spending is rising at the slowest pace since Dwight Eisenhower brought the Korean War to an end in the 1950s.

Even hapless Herbert Hoover managed to increase spending more than Obama has.

Here are the facts, according to the official government statistics:

• In the 2009 fiscal year — the last of George W. Bush’s presidency — federal spending rose by 17.9% from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. Check the official numbers at the Office of Management and Budget.

• In fiscal 2010 — the first budget under Obama — spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.

• In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.

• In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.

• Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

Over Obama’s four budget years, federal spending is on track to rise from $3.52 trillion to $3.58 trillion, an annualized increase of just 0.4%.

There has been no huge increase in spending under the current president, despite what you hear.

Why do people think Obama has spent like a drunken sailor? It’s in part because of a fundamental misunderstanding of the federal budget.

What people forget (or never knew) is that the first year of every presidential term starts with a budget approved by the previous administration and Congress. The president only begins to shape the budget in his second year. It takes time to develop a budget and steer it through Congress — especially in these days of congressional gridlock.

The 2009 fiscal year, which Republicans count as part of Obama’s legacy, began four months before Obama moved into the White House. The major spending decisions in the 2009 fiscal year were made by George W. Bush and the previous Congress.

Like a relief pitcher who comes into the game with the bases loaded, Obama came in with a budget in place that called for spending to increase by hundreds of billions of dollars in response to the worst economic and financial calamity in generations.

By no means did Obama try to reverse that spending. Indeed, his budget proposals called for even more spending in subsequent years. But the Congress (mostly Republicans but many Democrats, too) stopped him. If Obama had been a king who could impose his will, perhaps what the Republicans are saying about an Obama spending binge would be accurate.

Yet the actual record doesn’t show a reckless increase in spending. Far from it.

Before Obama had even lifted a finger, the CBO was already projecting that the federal deficit would rise to $1.2 trillion in fiscal 2009. The government actually spent less money in 2009 than it was projected to, but the deficit expanded to $1.4 trillion because revenue from taxes fell much further than expected, due to the weak economy and the emergency tax cuts that were part of the stimulus bill.

The projected deficit for the 2010-13 period has grown from an expected $1.7 trillion in January 2009 to $4.4 trillion today. Lower-than-forecast revenue accounts for 73% of the $2.7 trillion increase in the expected deficit. That’s assuming that the Bush and Obama tax cuts are repealed completely.

When Obama took the oath of office, the $789 billion bank bailout had already been approved. Federal spending on unemployment benefits, food stamps and Medicare was already surging to meet the dire unemployment crisis that was well underway. See the CBO’s January 2009 budget outlook.

Obama is not responsible for that increase, though he is responsible (along with the Congress) for about $140 billion in extra spending in the 2009 fiscal year from the stimulus bill, from the expansion of the children’s health-care program and from other appropriations bills passed in the spring of 2009.

If we attribute that $140 billion in stimulus to Obama and not to Bush, we find that spending under Obama grew by about $200 billion over four years, amounting to a 1.4% annualized increase.

After adjusting for inflation, spending under Obama is falling at a 1.4% annual pace — the first decline in real spending since the early 1970s, when Richard Nixon was retreating from the quagmire in Vietnam.

In per capita terms, real spending will drop by nearly 5% from $11,450 per person in 2009 to $10,900 in 2013 (measured in 2009 dollars).

By the way, real government spending rose 12.3% a year in Hoover’s four years. Now there was a guy who knew how to attack a depression by spending government money!

Social climber
the Wastelands
Dec 30, 2012 - 08:58pm PT
Oh Dr F, you are wasting your time

you can expect right wing denial of the truth such as your article even from a very conservative source

they just dig in, never ever ever admitting they are wrong

never, ever proving their own sh#t and lies they come up with

you are dealing with the intellect of children, seriously

they have zero intellectual curiosity to fact check what even they "believe" is true

they run and hide and disappear when called out

life is SO much easier when you don't know your ass from second base

Dec 30, 2012 - 09:06pm PT
Dr. F and Norton, you guys must be on the Axelrod payroll. The absurd tax rate structure you posted to cure the deficit and declarations that O has tried to cut spending are preposterous.

Shirley you jest about providing a link. How uncharacteristically disingenuous of you, Dr. F. and Warbler. Please step up to the plate and admit it's true.

Sometimes LA
Dec 30, 2012 - 09:11pm PT
Read the 275 page UN weapons inspection report about the supposed WMD in Iraq.

Bullsh#t. Racist.
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