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John M

climber
Dec 13, 2012 - 11:53pm PT
2nd Q Living standards, brought about by Capitalsm

man.. you sure have a lot of faith in capitalism. Or you are unaware of all of the things unions helped create today, plus the protections our government provides.
QITNL

climber
Dec 14, 2012 - 12:13am PT
Hey Nohea -

It's hard to get news from Hawaii since the Star-Advertiser put their pay wall up. So I google like some dummy. What you say about this?:

http://truth-out.org/news/item/13217-hawaii-teachers-unleash-work-to-rule-campaign

Explain this to me, give me some better links. And when is the Eddie on?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 14, 2012 - 12:48am PT
Nohea - sounds like with your superior negotiating skills and general beliefs you ought to be making big bucks in a private school.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 14, 2012 - 05:15am PT
I'm in a union and i'd say about 50% of my colleagues are ignoramous tea-baggers who can't stand the union ...Funny how that 50% take full adavantage of all the union perks like paid holidays , sick leave , overtime pay and whatever other niceties that non-unionized workers don;t enjoy... these are the same people that would smash their thumb with a hammer if Fox news said Obama was going to ban thumb smashing..RTW is a republican ploy to lower workers pay and save corporate America more money to go along with the tax cuts Bush handed them..RTW is also another desperate republican voter suppression bill...Why do Americans need RTW when alls you hear is how great our free market system works.? when did the out-sourcing Republicans ever care about generating jobs for Americans...? RTW will only make it harder for the average American to make a living wage...Nohea...Quit snibbing about the union and start your own school...I'm sure you can double your pay without having that annoying union suppressing your right to work...RJ

philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 14, 2012 - 05:16am PT
Nohea are you saying that ALL public school teachers in Hawaii are required or obligated to join the teachers union? If that is the case it seems odd. I don't think I have ever heard of that in other school districts. It should be a teachers right to decide based on relative merits whether to be a union member or not.
philo

Trad climber
Is that light the end of the tunnel or a train?
Dec 14, 2012 - 05:59am PT


Credit: philo





Credit: philo
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Dec 14, 2012 - 07:54am PT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014335133



Michigan Republicans are going for broke this week, as the lame-duck session winds down in the state legislature. No sooner had state lawmakers successfully pushed through a new right-to-work bill when they advanced a grab bag of anti-abortion measures that has been called the "greatest assault on reproductive rights" in the state's history.

On Wednesday, the state Senate approved what has been called an "abortion mega-bill." HR 5711 includes measures requiring anyone providing more than 120 abortions per year to do so in facilities that meet the same standards as "ambulatory surgical centers"—a provision often referred to as "targeted regulation of abortion providers" (or TRAP), because they single out abortion providers for standards far stricter than other medical facilities. The building codes alone could shut down many abortion providers in the state.

Other provisions of the bill would require a doctor to be physically present to dispense the drugs used for a medication abortion, which would make it illegal to provide telemedicine abortions. It also implements new rules for the disposal of fetal remains that would require them to be treated like the body of a dead person, rather than treating them like other forms of medical waste.

The Michigan House already passed the original version of the bill, but the Senate amended it somewhat, ....
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Dec 14, 2012 - 08:28am PT
We all have to remember that despite President Obama winning a second term, Mitt the robo candidate got 48.5% of the popular vote. Republicans still have a majority in the house and the majority of the governor seats. They may have lost this battle but the war for the future for America is FAR from over.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Dec 14, 2012 - 11:08am PT
But myself and many want the option to fully opt out of public unions. The other part of your question....uh did you read what I wrote?
I have much better negotiations skills as shown by my résumé of salaries than my union. I would right now accept the governors offer, the union rejects it.

So rephrase what you said and yes I will gladly go without the union who has "fought" for the pathetic set of salaries and bene's that I have.....hell I'm committed to the next generation....ours is a 16 trillion f*#k up

One thing that probably hasn't occurred to you: If there is a need for contraction of the workforce that you are in.....you will be the FIRST to go, irrespective of your seniority, or your work history.

Why?

Because you have no protection, if you stand outside the Union. If you take the postion, as a Union Man, that you don't want the Union protection, then you will stand on your own, and you will find out what happens when a thousand dollars stands up to a billion.
Nohea

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
Dec 14, 2012 - 11:46am PT
I would accept that risk. A motivating factor to be valuable to the school but yes I know the union does not care about that.

Yes I do have the private school option, of my circle of friends that teach, more are at private schools but I am happy here.

RJ- union bene's do not compare to what I had in the private sector, the only thing I get more of now is holidays, what a joke.
spectreman

Trad climber
Dec 14, 2012 - 12:12pm PT
I did not vote for Obama in either election, mostly based on financial/economic issues and because I was/am opposed to Obamacare. After much reading and looking at links from this thread I have decided that I am making a poor decision to vote for republican candidates who can continue with these crazy anti abortion, anti environmental, and obstructionist policies. I don't think the financial future of this country is all that bright, but the republicans won't help at all. Therefore, I have decided to think much more liberally and socially with my future votes. I don't agree with the name calling and vitriol against more conservative voters that is rampant in this thread but I am willing to listen to reason and put aside pettiness and be a more informed citizen. Thanks for the education guys.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 14, 2012 - 12:34pm PT
Nothing more noble and rare than a man who is capable of changing his mind

I did not vote for Obama in either election, mostly based on financial/economic issues and because I was/am opposed to Obamacare. After much reading and looking at links from this thread I have decided that I am making a poor decision to vote for republican candidates who can continue with these crazy anti abortion, anti environmental, and obstructionist policies. I don't think the financial future of this country is all that bright, but the republicans won't help at all. Therefore, I have decided to think much more liberally and socially with my future votes. I don't agree with the name calling and vitriol against more conservative voters that is rampant in this thread but I am willing to listen to reason and put aside pettiness and be a more informed citizen. Thanks for the education guys.

Kudos

Karl
Bruce Kay

Gym climber
BC
Dec 14, 2012 - 01:14pm PT
I would also like to advance kudos to Spectre Man. At the very least it shows humility, the most under appreciated of human qualities.

If ever "Conservatives" could provide a similarly compelling case for voting for them, I'd jump ship too.

They do have a long way to go however, then there's the whole issue of whether to believe them.

So I won't hold my breath but anything can happen.
JEleazarian

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:08pm PT
Even though we disagree, I, too, say "bravo" for someone with an open mind. We have done a very good job of producing closed ones.

John
jghedge

climber
Dec 14, 2012 - 02:18pm PT
"We all have to remember that despite President Obama winning a second term, Mitt the robo candidate got 48.5% of the popular vote."

Which means nothing. Presidents are elected by Electoral Votes, and Romney was defeated by 126 of them - 20% of the total number of EV's.

Romney lost by about 5 million votes, and 126 EV's.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2012 - 03:30pm PT
Why do we bash Republicans?
Because of what they say, and believe.
If they were reasonable thinking adults, then we could debate the issues.
But they aren't, they are duped by propaganda, and refuse to accept facts, it's like debating aliens, they don't know the facts at the bottom of the debate.

Why do we have such division between the right and left?
Because one side decided it was OK to lie and project everything terrible on to the Democrats and liberals.
We can't get along because one side believes lies about the other side, and it has been propagated on purpose by the right wingers.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2012 - 03:35pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Dec 14, 2012 - 04:14pm PT
Barack Obama 65,593,977 votes = 51.0%

Mitt Romney 60,859,674 votes = 47.3%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012

It's not clear if those numbers are final.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 14, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
47% of the freeloader population voted for Mister 47%

One of the biggest tax cheats to ever be exposed by the media, happens to be the 2012 Republican nominee for President
and they think that being an expert tax cheat as a great American Quality to be emulated

Pay nothing in Taxes...= great American Patriot!
Despicable
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Dec 14, 2012 - 04:25pm PT
That cartoon is just way too true. Big Business doesn't want to provide health insurance but won't come out to support single payer, even though it would be a boon for business

Sucks to have all this crying about "entitlements" when that money truly circulates rapidly in our economy but nobody is talking about cutting defense spending, which blows up in other countries and even get's handed out from palettes of cash in Iraq. Nobody complained about their "Entitlements"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1

Peace

Karl
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