Dr. F.
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2011 - 07:48pm PT
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Dr. F.
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Retired Climber, SoCal
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2011 - 07:48pm PT
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HighTraverse
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Oct 19, 2011 - 07:49pm PT
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referring to DTs last comment:
Riiiiiight. And Corporations are people too, just like unions. So the money they save with tax breaks goes to Republican candidates to buy them off.
Gross generalizations are a cheap shot.
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Donald Thompson
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Los Angeles,CA
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Oct 19, 2011 - 07:49pm PT
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[quote]Optimistic About America’s Future?Don’t Be.In his giant New York Times bestseller, America Alone: The End of the World as We Know It, Mark Steyn predicted collapse for the rest of the Western World. Now, he adds, America has caught up with Europe on the great rush to self-destruction.It’s not just our looming financial collapse; it’s not just a culture that seems on a fast track to perdition, full of hapless, indulgent, childish people who think government has the answer for every problem; it’s not just America’s potential eclipse as a world power because of the drunken sailor policymaking in Washington—no, it’s all this and more that spells one word for America: Armageddon.What will a world without American leadership look like? It won’t be pretty—not for you and not for your children. America’s decline won’t be gradual, like an aging Europe sipping espresso at a café until extinction (and the odd Greek or Islamist riot). No, America’s decline will be a wrenching affair marked by violence and possibly secession.With his trademark wit, Steyn delivers the depressing news with raw and unblinking honesty—but also with the touch of vaudeville stand-up and soft shoe that makes him the most entertaining, yet profound, columnist on the planet. And as an immigrant with nowhere else to go, he offers his own prescription for winning America back from the feckless and arrogant liberal establishment that has done its level best to suffocate the world’s last best hope in a miasma of debt, decay, and debility. You will not read a more important—or more alarming, or even funnier—book all year than After America.
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Donald Thompson
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Los Angeles,CA
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Oct 19, 2011 - 07:51pm PT
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the feckless and arrogant liberal establishment
I love that phrase.
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Dr. F.
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Retired Climber, SoCal
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2011 - 07:51pm PT
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Does he predict that the Republicans led us to our Collapse??
So he would be right then
There was an editing problem
It should say this to be accurate of reality
winning America back from the feckless and arrogant Conservative establishment that has done its level best to suffocate the world’s last best hope in a miasma of debt, decay, and debility. Yes, or you could replace the word with right wingers
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apogee
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Oct 19, 2011 - 07:51pm PT
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Mormon
Mormon
Mormon
Mormon!
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HighTraverse
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Oct 19, 2011 - 07:53pm PT
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vaudeville stand-up and soft shoe...... yet profound Isn't that self contradictory? Oxymoronic?
One could possibly swallow all that stuff if one were to give the Corporations and Capitalists free reign.
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Donald Thompson
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Los Angeles,CA
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Oct 19, 2011 - 07:54pm PT
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full of hapless, indulgent, childish people who think government has the answer for every problem; it’s not just America’s potential eclipse as a world power because of the drunken sailor policymaking in Washington—
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HighTraverse
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Oct 19, 2011 - 07:56pm PT
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ahaaaaa....I was mistaken, there's a vaudevillian quote!
Now can you find a profound one?
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Donald Thompson
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Los Angeles,CA
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Oct 19, 2011 - 07:56pm PT
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Was it H.L. Mencken who said something like " The institution of the income tax was America's Bolshevik Revolution" ?
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HighTraverse
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Oct 19, 2011 - 07:57pm PT
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You don't know?
Do I have to look it up for you? Again?
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Donald Thompson
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Los Angeles,CA
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Oct 19, 2011 - 07:59pm PT
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Corporations and Capitalists free reign.
A tidbit example of what William F. Buckley once called "infantile leftism"
I call it "pop-neo-Marxism"
You can quote me on that.
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Dr. F.
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2011 - 08:01pm PT
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Corporations are People my Friends
Mitt, I will Bail out the Banks again RomneyCare
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Dr. F.
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2011 - 08:06pm PT
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Donald Thompson
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Los Angeles,CA
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Oct 19, 2011 - 08:07pm PT
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Incidentally, over half the illegal population supposedly came into America after September 11, 2001. That’s to say, they broke into a country on Code Orange alert. Odd that. Even under the panoptic surveillance of the “security state”, certain identity groups seem to be indulged by Big Government. In California one notices that the same regulatory leviathan that thinks nothing of sending in the heavies if a hardware store is offering complimentary coffee to its customers seems somewhat shyer of enforcing its bazillions of building code/food prep/environmental/health and safety rules against ad hoc mobile kitchens serving piping hot Mexican dishes up and down the highway…
This multicultural squeamishness is most instructive. Illegal immigrants are providing a model for survival in an impoverished statist America, and on the whole the state is happy to let them do so.
--Mark Steyn
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Donald Thompson
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Oct 19, 2011 - 08:09pm PT
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impoverished statist America,
That phrase has a ring to it,don't it.
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Dr. F.
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Topic Author's Reply - Oct 19, 2011 - 08:09pm PT
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I don't have Facts to back this up, But
Incidentally, over half the illegal population supposedly came into America after September 11, 2001.
I would like to see the data that supports this supposed BS
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Donald Thompson
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Los Angeles,CA
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Oct 19, 2011 - 08:14pm PT
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Someday soon, you might wake up to the call to prayer from a muezzin. Europeans already are." "The future, as Steyn shows, belongs to the fecund and the confident. And the Islamists are both, while the West - wedded to a multiculturalism that undercuts its own confidence, a welfare state that nudges it toward sloth and self-indulgence, and a childlessness that consigns it to oblivion - is looking ever more like the ruins of a civilization." "Europe, laments Steyn, is almost certainly a goner. The future, if the West has one, belongs to American alone - with maybe its cousins in brave Australia. But America can survive, prosper, and defend its freedom only if it continues to believe in itself, in the sturdier virtues of self-reliance (not government), in the centrality of family, and in the conviction that our country really is the world's last best hope." "Steyn argues that, contra the liberal cultural relativists, America should proclaim the obvious : we do have a better government, religion, and culture than our enemies, and we should spread America's influence around the world - for our own sake as well as theirs."--BOOK JACKET. « less
--Mark Steyn
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HighTraverse
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Bay Area
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Oct 19, 2011 - 08:15pm PT
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A tidbit example of what William F. Buckley once called "infantile leftism"
I call it "pop-neo-Marxism"
You can quote me on that. No, I'll quote a current Repub candidate for President on Capitalism and Corporations
Cain economics, this morning.
Asked how he would help an American facing foreclosure on CNN’s American Morning today, Cain declared, “I would get the government off the backs of the banks.” “Many of the banks can’t do some of the things they want to do to help folks” because of “regulations or the threat of regulations coming out of Washington,” he said.
Asked whether he thinks government has any role in ensuring that banks deal fairly with customers, Cain said “no” because “then you distort the free market system.” Insisting that banks really do “want to help people” but can’t because of Wall Street reform and (bizarrely) “Obamacare” regulations, he said the best way to address the foreclosure crisis is to “remove the barriers that are keeping [banks] from doing business the way they would want to”
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