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Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 3, 2014 - 12:57pm PT
The dirty little secret of politics is that bi-partisan cooperation is the primary vehicle for getting things done and moving forward. The most successful legislators in the long term are those who can find a way to connect with people who are very different from them.

Chest puffers like Cruz come and go - but you'll find that those in public service who have a long track record of accomplishment often have many friends from across the aisle.

As a society, we appear to be moving away from a punishment/reward model of dealing with our fellow humans, and towards a choice/persuasion model. Increased tolerance for d gays, a backing off from 42 years of failed prohibition 2.0, more data-driven approaches to policy-making (now that data is, in fact, readily available), the beginning of an honest discussion about a still diverging and shocking level of wealth concentration - these are all signs of a significant cultural shift in how we deal with each other.
HermitMaster

Social climber
my abode
Mar 3, 2014 - 01:00pm PT
"but you'll find that those in public service who have a long track record of accomplishment often have many friends from across the aisle."

Yes, and you find too many become corrupt millionaires in the process.....

It's time to term limit the bastards...
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 3, 2014 - 01:04pm PT
"Tvash said
The inclusion of both conservative and liberal personalities also increases survivability in other populations - birds, rats (yes, their personalities also vary along the same basic lines as ours).

Is there any data on the survivability of creatures that insist on splitting everything into two contrived "for" and "against" camps?"




The TED TALK link presents a model for humans that includes 5 basic traits.

The studies regarding animals are simpler yet - many focus on variation in 'boldness' (i.e, willingness to take risks to try new things, like new food items or the investigation of strange objects). Every population needs such risk takers, but having all risk takers wouldn't bode well for the long term.

The human propensity for tribalism - us v them, is a natural byproduct of evolution. We don't just operate on orders issued by our amygdala, however - the cerebral cortex can override our natural emotional responses to give us more menu options than Fight or Flight. This takes effort, but produces better outcomes in the modern world.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Mar 3, 2014 - 01:14pm PT
Tvash/Locker

2016
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 3, 2014 - 01:57pm PT
There are righty/lefty rock em sock ems much like this one happening on most forums - with analogs to the common players here. A familiar dynamic quickly evolves - divide into teams, make the other team look stupid, evil, unfair, inconsistent, or hypocritical. When all else fails, call them pedophiliac Nazis and threaten them physically - actual responses to one of my first TRs here. The ZING! fest is off and running. Mostly what people are doing, however, is repackaging sound bites c carefully produced by PR firms, political groups, or the media to simplify the world into Column A or B.

Being insulted is a choice. My plans don't yet include blitzing Poland for its pre-teen lovelies, and keyboard hardmen are a dime a dozen these days, so I consider it all in good fun and a very natural response to suddenly splashing down into new pool of hairless monkeys - some of whom appreciate novelty, satire, and irreverence in a non-literalist style more than others. Furthermore, some folks are naturally complimentary and welcoming - others tend to be more critical and protective.

It is interesting once you change the dynamic, though - starting with choosing not to be insulted. From there, one can ask their 'opponent' direct, basic questions - the most effective debate tactic in the book. That's where the real fun is to be had. You can't do that if all you're doing is slinging sh#t.

It's also helpful to be aware of one's own cognitive bias:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias

We all have it.

Oh, and we're all racist to some degree (evolution…uh-gain!), so that's kind of like telling someone they're guilty of bilateral symmetry.
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Mar 3, 2014 - 04:12pm PT
"Do you have an understanding of the word "context"? "

Yes, sketch understands context...it's something to be ignored when extracting a tiny sound byte in order to make his pathetic point.

You know...standard GOP politics kinda stuff.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2014 - 04:19pm PT
Tvash, you forgot one thing
One side is Wrong about Everything!

That changes things, don't ya think
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 3, 2014 - 04:22pm PT


From data in a 2012 poll.
Sketch

Trad climber
H-ville
Mar 3, 2014 - 04:33pm PT
Elcapinyoazz

Social climber
Joshua Tree

Mar 3, 2014 - 08:38am PT
“The era of the Monroe Doctrine is over.”

Do you have an understanding of the word "context"?

I was mocking your statement: "The core of our foreign policy for half the existence of the country has been the Monroe Doctrine".

For the last 70 years, the Monroe Doctrine has not been "the core of our foreign policy". Since WWII, we've had a military presence all over the globe. We've had numerous military entanglements outside of the Western Hemisphere. I'm not defending any of them. I'm simply pointing out that your Monroe Doctrine defense is bogus.
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 3, 2014 - 05:34pm PT
The modern conservative movement has been wrong on some major issues of our time. Here's a short list.

Equal rights for all Americans:

the anti-gay thing is Jim Crow 2.0 - same religious arguments, everything - just sub in F word for the N word. While one can understand how Bachmann's marriage would be threatened - her husband's positively weightless in those loafers - any general threat to marriage never made a licked sack of sense - at all. Discrimination doesn't jibe with the American values of fairness, live and let live, separation of church and state, and opportunity for self actualization - of which whom you marry can play, oh, just a wee little part. Don't get gay married if that's not what you're into.

Creationism:

It's religious doctrine, not science. Sorry. If you want to retard your kids' science education in a techno age where that's really going to hurt their future prospects, go for it. We don't.

Anthropogenic climate change:

It's science, not religious doctrine. Sorry. If you don't know what science is, learn some.


Abortion:

A non-viable fetus is no more a person than a sperm is, and plenty of the latter seem to get wasted. A full grown women is, however, a person. Somehow, Mommy is often omitted from the debate, unless its to call her a slut. No, its all about Baby - er, non-viable fetus, that is. As much as a time save mushy language may be, there is a difference, and its kind of important. The State has no business forcing women (primarily poor ones) to have unwanted children under penalty of murder - or any other criminal sanction. This is a civil rights no brainer - as well as another egregious violation of the Establishment Clause. Don't approve of abortion? Don't have one.


The Deficit Versus Unemployment:

In an age of high unemployment, crumbling infrastructure (ie, lotsa work to be done), and very low interest rates - f*#k the deficit. It's simply not a priority in comparison to the national welfare. Get real.


Health Care:

We're Number 46! Out of the 48 ranked in a 2013 Bloomberg report. We have the least efficient (most expensive for the least amount of services) in the world. It's not only a tragedy, and the number one stressor to nearly every American - its embarrassing to be so incompetent at something tens of other countries solved a long time ago. Single payer (expansion of either a VA or Medicaid or some combo of these two highly successful single payer programs) is the solution, and everyone knows it, including the GOP. So cut the meaningless 'soshulist' rhetoric, get the insurance industry c*#k out of your mouth, and move this country into the last century, already. Obamacare was a clusterf*#k precisely because of changes demanded by the GOP - most particularly the stripping of the single payer option. The shitty website part was all Obama, though.


Wealth concentration and wage erosion:

Its not a big problem, its a gargantuan problem. America has become bizarro world, here, we're such an extreme outlier. No, trickle down doesn't work - so use those dusty Laffer charts to line the worm bin and lets get real, here. yup, we're going to redistribute wealth or fall apart as a society. Get over it. At least we're finally talking about it.

Iraq: Does this require any discussion at this point? Anybody still sportin' a "Neocon and Proud of It" wifebeater these days?
locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Mar 3, 2014 - 05:37pm PT

Stay in shape or just buy a shirt...

...

The choice is yours...

locker

Social climber
Some Rehab in Bolivia
Mar 3, 2014 - 05:40pm PT

Best of all???...























































IT'S BILLY TIME!!!...










Now back to the TEA PARTY and crumpets...

HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 3, 2014 - 09:34pm PT
Wow I found this way better video of the shitheel at CPAC last year I posted earlier. The other video cut short but this one shows him asking "why can't we be segregated" afterwards and then when the black woman behind him asserts that "slavery was not of benefit to black people" he replies "that's your opinion." Then some other white dudes lean in to whitesplain some things to her to make sure she gets the point.

Please note that this was at the CPAC talk about how Republicans can bridge the gap on race. Keep building those bridges, fellas.



Note that the lady, Kim Brown, was booed and shouted down at another point in the talk when she stood up and asked why racist ads and racist language by Republican candidates wasn't universally condemned by Republicans. I guess she didn't get the memo that talking about racism made you the real racist.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2014 - 09:51pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Mar 3, 2014 - 09:55pm PT
Anybody still sportin' a "Neocon and Proud of It" wifebeater these days?
Tvash

Yes, and that's the problem
Have you checked out bluering, rick sumner, or TGT, they are proud flat earthers
last we checked, they have joined the TeaBaggars, but still love what Bush did
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Mar 3, 2014 - 10:05pm PT
Republicans hypocrites to the core....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-paul/russia-georgia-war-in-200_b_4891391.html
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Mar 3, 2014 - 10:06pm PT
In the European model that we have adopted, men and women are supposed to spend their twenties being educated and their thirties having two children. These Johns and Julias will work in some appropriately "modern" field building apps, designing environmentally sustainable cribs for the few children being born or teaching new immigrants to speak enough English to vote. Then they plan to retire on money that doesn't actually exist because they are still paying off their student loans.

The reality is that John and Julia begin their marriage with tens of thousands in debts, only one of them will work full time, while the other balances part time work, and they will do all this while being expected to support social services for new immigrants and a native working class displaced by the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs, not to mention the elderly and the entire bureaucracy that has grown around them. If John and Julia are lucky, they will find work in a technology field that is still growing, or, more likely they will pry their way into the social services bureaucracy which will keep on paying them and cover their benefits until the national bankruptcy finally arrives.

John and Julia are Obama voters. They have two children. They don't worry about the future. The future to them seems to be a bright and modern thing overseen by experts and meticulously planned out in every detail. The only dark clouds on their horizon are the Republicans and the Great Unwashed in the Red States who are resisting the future by clinging to their guns and bibles.

In this post-work and post-poverty economy, those most likely to have children are also least likely to work or to be able to afford to have those children.

Birth rates for women on welfare are three times higher than for those who are not on welfare. Within a single year, the census survey found that unmarried women had twice as high a birth rate as married women. These demographics help perpetuate poverty and feed a welfare death spiral in which more money has to be spent on social services for a less productive tax base.

..........

The welfare state is bankrupt and doesn't know it yet. Reality hasn't caught up with the numbers. Instead the welfare state is floating on loans based on past productivity, old infrastructure and a diminishing productive population whose technological industries employ fewer people and don't require their physical presence in the United States.

The welfare state has no future. It is only a question of what terms it will implode on and what will happen to the social welfare political infrastructure when it does. The violence in Venezuela and the slow death of Detroit give us insights into the coming collapse of the welfare state.

http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-coming-collapse-of-welfare-state.html
HighDesertDJ

Trad climber
Mar 3, 2014 - 10:11pm PT
Yes, and that's the problem
Have you checked out bluering, rick sumner, or TGT, they are proud flat earthers
last we checked, they have joined the TeaBaggars, but still love what Bush did

Neocons were too smart for their own good and they let their arrogance delude them into thinking they could shape the whole world to their liking. They used the "know-nothing" posture to sell themselves but did too good a job and now they have actual know-nothings in office.
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Mar 3, 2014 - 10:17pm PT
TGT..You think you are immune to wage deflation..Just wait till the rising tide of the global economy sinks your American dream...
Tvash

climber
Seattle
Mar 3, 2014 - 10:25pm PT
The GOP has been the driver of voter suppression in recent years. The reason is pretty simple - black people - over 90% of them as averaged over the past 3 presidential elections, vote Democrat. Young people also tend to lean Democrat to a lesser degree than blacks.

That's why Democrats have focused on voter registration drives and the GOP on voter suppression efforts - throwing up a variety of barriers which statistically favor certain groups (old people) over others (black people, poor people) under the bullshit guise of 'preventing voter fraud'. The reality is, there is little to no 'voter fraud' problem in America, and yes, that issue has been extensively studied.
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