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Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:30pm PT
whats wrong warbler? when the dems were minority and the repugs wanted reform were you also for it? or is this simply an us versus them thing again....you do know that sh#t gets so old.
k-man

Gym climber
SCruz
Dec 6, 2012 - 04:59pm PT
From Hawkeye's article:

In the end, the explosion was defused, with an agreement not to filibuster judges except in extraordinary circumstances.

Now, the tables are turned. Democrats are in the majority and chafing at Republican abuse of the filibuster. What was once a sparingly used tactic has become almost routine. The number of cloture motions filed to end debate, a rough measure of the number of filibusters, rose from 68 in the 109th Congress to 139 in the 110th and 110 in the current, 112th.


Maybe if the Repugs learned a little restraint, there wouldn't be such a problem...


Quicky Quiz: How many judges have the Republicans blocked in the past four years... All "extraordinary circumstances," I am sure.

Apparently recognizing the severe and possibly permanent damage they did to the judicial nominations process Ė and the entire U.S. court system Ė by filibustering Caitlin Halligan, Senate Republicans are running to the press to do damage control.

http://blog.pfaw.org/content/gop-disinformation-campaign-filibustering-judges


No really, there's more:

(CNN) -- In keeping with their vow to prevent any more of President Barack Obama's appeals court nominees from being confirmed until after the election, Senate Republicans successfully upheld Monday their filibuster of Judge Robert Bacharach's nomination to the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which is based in Denver.



I bet it hurts to be a hawk with such poor vision.
Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:03pm PT

Curt
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:08pm PT
The democrats as a minority never adopted a formally-stated strategy of obstruction as the republicans did in 2008. And behind that strategy of stalemate was republicans' confidence the American people would become fed up with a 'do nothing' government and throw Obama out of office in 2012. And they were right, the American people were fed up with 'do nothing' politics, but instead voted against republicans laying the blame exactly where it belonged.

Now they expect action, and another four years of deliberate obstruction will not favor the republicans in 2016.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:13pm PT
This is why it's not just an us vs them thing, Hawkeye:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/breakingthefilibuster.jpg


Republicons are cheating the system to an unprecedented degree. There is no comparison from the other side of the aisle.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:17pm PT
Go home hawkeye...teenager time on ST is over.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/21/opinion/zelizer-congress-polarization/index.html
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:18pm PT
The democrats are finally after 30 years standing up the to fecking republican extremists and bullies.


Can't wait for the backwards thinking hillbillies to die off.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 05:37pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
mtnyoung

Trad climber
Twain Harte, California
Dec 6, 2012 - 05:49pm PT
History can certainly be cyclical.

The House of Representatives went through similar shenanigans in the early 1890s. Then, Republican Majority Speaker Tom Reed changed the House' rules over howls of protest by the Democrats. Soon thereafter the Democrats regained the majority and promptly revoked the changes. Reed then used the prior rules and tactics against them so well that the Democrats soon (quietly) reinstated "Reed's Rules."

Of course, Reed was a brilliant politician and a man of very high integrity (which is the main reason he was never elected to higher office). Obviously, this is totally the opposite of the current set of Republicans; this current lot has been bought and sold by big money/big corporations, but doesn't have the intelligence, integrity or courage to admit it (well, except for the few who are now starting to buck the Republican mindless/drivel party line).
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Dec 6, 2012 - 06:59pm PT
It's downright beautiful how Boehner and crew are getting slapped around from both sides - the extreme right wing 1% filthy rich wackos, who have their ballz in a vice on one, and the reality based majority on the other.


Couldn't be happening to a nicer bunch.
Gary

Social climber
Right outside of Delacroix
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:19pm PT
hope all the unemployed twinkie workers can find jobs.

delete.
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:24pm PT
Obama has back the as#@&%es into a very small corner...no where to hide. He is so much smarter then they are.
The Warbler

climber
the edge of America
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:27pm PT
Ain't that the truth.

It's like Jerry's Kids playing hoops with the Harlem Globetrotters
Nohea

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:29pm PT


Merry Christmas


Hilarious, following Econ stories with Krug's, I suspect that was done in ignorance.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Dec 6, 2012 - 07:32pm PT
The Forgotten Millions

By PAUL KRUGMAN

Published: December 6, 2012
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/07/opinion/krugman-the-forgotten-millions.html?ref=paulkrugman

Letís get one thing straight: America is not facing a fiscal crisis. It is, however, still very much experiencing a job crisis.

Itís easy to get confused about the fiscal thing, since everyoneís talking about the ďfiscal cliff.Ē Indeed, one recent poll suggests that a large plurality of the public believes that the budget deficit will go up if we go off that cliff.

In fact, of course, itís just the opposite: The danger is that the deficit will come down too much, too fast. And the reasons that might happen are purely political; we may be about to slash spending and raise taxes not because markets demand it, but because Republicans have been using blackmail as a bargaining strategy, and the president seems ready to call their bluff.

Moreover, despite years of warnings from the usual suspects about the dangers of deficits and debt, our government can borrow at incredibly low interest rates ó interest rates on inflation-protected U.S. bonds are actually negative, so investors are paying our government to make use of their money. And donít tell me that markets may suddenly turn on us. Remember, the U.S. government canít run out of cash (it prints the stuff), so the worst that could happen would be a fall in the dollar, which wouldnít be a terrible thing and might actually help the economy.

Yet there is a whole industry built around the promotion of deficit panic. Lavishly funded corporate groups keep hyping the danger of government debt and the urgency of deficit reduction now now now ó except that these same groups are suddenly warning against too much deficit reduction. No wonder the public is confused.

Meanwhile, there is almost no organized pressure to deal with the terrible thing that is actually happening right now ó namely, mass unemployment. Yes, weíve made progress over the past year. But long-term unemployment remains at levels not seen since the Great Depression: as of October, 4.9 million Americans had been unemployed for more than six months, and 3.6 million had been out of work for more than a year.

When you see numbers like those, bear in mind that weíre looking at millions of human tragedies: at individuals and families whose lives are falling apart because they canít find work, at savings consumed, homes lost and dreams destroyed. And the longer this goes on, the bigger the tragedy.

There are also huge dollars-and-cents costs to our unmet jobs crisis. When willing workers endure forced idleness society as a whole suffers from the waste of their efforts and talents. The Congressional Budget Office estimates that what we are actually producing falls short of what we could and should be producing by around 6 percent of G.D.P., or $900 billion a year.

Worse yet, there are good reasons to believe that high unemployment is undermining our future growth as well, as the long-term unemployed come to be considered unemployable, as investment falters in the face of inadequate sales.

So what can be done? The panic over the fiscal cliff has been revelatory. It shows that even the deficit scolds are closet Keynesians. That is, they believe that right now spending cuts and tax hikes would destroy jobs; itís impossible to make that claim while denying that temporary spending increases and tax cuts would create jobs. Yes, our still-depressed economy needs more fiscal stimulus.

And, to his credit, President Obama did include a modest amount of stimulus in his initial budget offer; the White House, at least, hasnít completely forgotten about the unemployed. Unfortunately, almost nobody expects those stimulus plans to be included in whatever deal is eventually reached.

So why arenít we helping the unemployed? Itís not because we canít afford it. Given those ultralow borrowing costs, plus the damage unemployment is doing to our economy and hence to the tax base, you can make a pretty good case that spending more to create jobs now would actually improve our long-run fiscal position.

Nor, I think, is it really ideology. Even Republicans, when opposing cuts in defense spending, immediately start talking about how such cuts would destroy jobs ó and Iím sorry, but weaponized Keynesianism, the assertion that government spending creates jobs, but only if it goes to the military, doesnít make sense.

No, in the end itís hard to avoid concluding that itís about class. Influential people in Washington arenít worried about losing their jobs; by and large they donít even know anyone whoís unemployed. The plight of the unemployed simply doesnít loom large in their minds ó and, of course, the unemployed donít hire lobbyists or make big campaign contributions.

So the unemployment crisis goes on and on, even though we have both the knowledge and the means to solve it. Itís a vast tragedy ó and itís also an outrage.
ncrockclimber

climber
The Desert Oven
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:38pm PT
Krugman is awesome. TFPU!
rottingjohnny

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:42pm PT
I'm so angry...If Romney had won , none of this would have happened..Obama is going to tax the job creators and no jobs will be created...Serves the pheasants right....! ....Let the uninsured die...RJ
Bob D'A

Trad climber
Taos, NM
Dec 6, 2012 - 07:53pm PT
How freaking dumb is Mitch McConnell???

Filibusters his own bill.


Does it really get any more bizarre?

http://www.mortontimesnews.com/article/20121206/BLOGS/312069984
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Dec 6, 2012 - 08:14pm PT
I am very impressed with this post by jdhedge:

Defense CEO's Want Their Taxes Raised, Military Spending Cut - Repub Economic Ideology Disintegrating Due To Inconvenient Factual Reality

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/05/top-two-percent-tax_n_2245596.html


WASHINGTON -- Congressional Republicans' opposition to any tax rate hike on the top two percent of earners shows few signs of letting up as the debate wears on. But the beneficiaries of that opposition, the nation's wealthiest executives, have themselves begun opening up to the possibility of a rate hike.

On Tuesday, FedEx Chairman and CEO Fred Smith, an adviser to Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, said that the notion that tax hikes on the richest Americans would kill jobs was simply "mythology."

And on Monday, a gathering of the nation's top defense executives took a surprising turn when they endorsed tax rate increases on the wealthy and cuts of up to $150 billion to the Pentagon's budget. Top executives from Northrop Grumman, Pratt & Whitney, TASC and RTI International Metals appeared at the National Press Club at an event organized by the Aerospace Industries Association, the top defense contractor lobbyist.

David Langstaff, CEO of TASC, said that the executives were speaking out because so far leaders of the defense industry were "talking a good game, but are still unwilling to park short-term self-interest." After the event, he told a defense reporter for Politico that tax rates need to go up.

ďIn the near term, [income tax rates] need to go up some,Ē Langstaff said. "This is a fairness issue -- there needs to be recognition that weíre not collecting enough revenue. In the last decade weíve fought two wars without raising taxes. So I think it does need to go up.Ē

David Hess, head of Pratt & Whitney, said his parent company, United Technologies Corp, believed personal income tax rates should be on the table; Dawne Hickton, CEO of RTI, said he would back a rate hike if it led to a deal.

The CEOs join other high-profile executives who are willing to chip in more. Following a meeting with President Barack Obama last week at the White House, executives emerged to endorse higher rates. "There needs to be some revenue element to this, and [Obama] started with rates," said Joe Echeverria, CEO of Deloitte LLP. "And he started with rates on what we would define [as] the upper two percent Ö that we have to pay our fair share. And I think everybody was in agreement with that notion."

AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson, who was also at the meeting, said in a statement that a deal "will require a compromise involving an increase in both tax rates and revenue."

Goldman Sachs Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein, meanwhile, told CNN after the meeting that "if we had to lift up the marginal rate, I would do that."
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Temecula
Dec 6, 2012 - 08:23pm PT
The McConnell filibuster thing is sad and hilarious at the same time.

The Republican senators would look more serious if they started riding around in a clown car.
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