Why are Republicans Wrong about Everything?


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Feb 26, 2014 - 03:09pm PT
Hey fatty!

For you, because I know you're a closet supporter of the ACA.

Credit: dirtbag

Trad climber
Philadelphia, PA
Feb 26, 2014 - 03:48pm PT
This is another example of why Republicans are always wrong. If they insist on holding two opposing "principles", they'll always be wrong, no matter who is right:


- A federal judge has struck down Texas' ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday it has no "rational relation to a legitimate government purpose."

They are all for small government, not interfering with personal freedoms, until it's a freedom they don't like. They're probably railing against this judge as we speak accusing him of being a liberal activist when he's actually upholding a core conservative principle.

You don't have to like or agree with Democratic party policies, but generally speaking they are at least consistent (abortion/death penalty aside).


edited for spelling before someone dings me

Social climber
So Cal
Feb 26, 2014 - 09:52pm PT
It is insufficient, however, to watch the videos on both these sites and conclude the obvious that they offer damning evidence of corruption and decadence.

What is more important than the decadence on display is the self-satisfied irony. The elites in Washington and Wall Street seem not to care about their decadence and even take joy in the revealing of their decadence. It is as if a burden has been lifted, that we all in the outside world can now know what they have borne in secret. With the secret out, they can enjoy themselves without guilt.

This embrace of the revelation of decadence recalls the cultural milieu of Weimar Germany, and especially the reception of Berthold Brecht’s classic satire the “Threepenny Opera.” Here is how Hannah Arendt describes the arrival and reception of Brecht’s play:

“The play presented gangsters as respectable businessmen and respectable businessmen as gangsters. The irony was somewhat lost when respectable businessmen in the audience considered this a deep insight into the ways of the world and when the mob welcomed it as an artistic sanction of gangsterism. The theme song in the play, “Erst kommt das Fressen, dann kommt die Moral” [First comes the animal-like satisfaction of one’s hungers, then comes morality], was greeted with frantic applause by exactly everybody, though for different reasons. The mob applauded because it took the statement literally; the bourgeoisie applauded because it had been fooled by its own hypocrisy for so long that it had grown tired of the tension and found deep wisdom in the expression of the banality by which it lived; the elite applauded because the unveiling of hypocrisy was such superior, wonderful fun.”

Brecht hoped to shock not only with his portrayal of corruption and the breakdown of morality, but by his gleeful presentation of Weimar decadence; but the effect of “Threepenny Opera” was exactly the opposite, since all groups in society reacted to Brecht’s satire with joy instead of repulsion.


Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 26, 2014 - 09:57pm PT
Dirtbag...I hope you got to keep your own doctor...

Feb 26, 2014 - 10:07pm PT
I hope I get to keep my own nurse!

Trad climber
Feb 27, 2014 - 01:04am PT
You're welcome, JElezarian. I hoped that in cartoon form some of our reading-challenged friends might actually look at it.

In other real news the Texas Supreme Court knocked down the state ban on gay marriage: http://www.chron.com/news/article/Texas-ban-on-gay-marriage-ruled-unconstitutional-5270241.php

And Jan Brewer vetoed the Arizona "my religion tells me to hate people so the government should pass laws protecting my right to discriminate against them" law: http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/26/politics/arizona-brewer-bill/
To be clear, this was an ALEC project so a similar law has been proposed in at least six states and it would have extended religious freedoms to corporations bringing corporate personhood to a whole new level.

Trad climber
Fresno CA
Feb 27, 2014 - 01:25pm PT
I suspect, HDDJ, that they aren't so much reading-challenged as experience-challenged. I've had family members complete the entire immigration and citizenship process, so I have a decent idea of the hurdles involves.


Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Feb 27, 2014 - 09:17pm PT
It turns out Republicans in Congress are more concerned about tax-breaks for the ultra-wealthy & corporate America, than benefits for Veterans!

WASHINGTON (AP) — A divided Senate on Thursday derailed Democratic legislation that would have provided $21 billion for medical, education and job-training benefits for the nation's veterans. The bill fell victim to election-year disputes over spending and fresh penalties against Iran.

Each party covets the allegiance of the country's 22 million veterans and their families, and each party blamed the other for turning the effort into a chess match aimed at forcing politically embarrassing votes.

Republicans used a procedural move to block the bill after Senate Veterans' Affairs Committee Chairman Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., chided GOP lawmakers about their priorities.

"I personally, I have to say this honestly, have a hard time understanding how anyone could vote for tax breaks for billionaires, for millionaires, for large corporations and then say we don't have the resources to protect our veterans," said Sanders, the measure's chief author.

Democrats noted that more than two dozen veterans groups supported the legislation. But Republicans said they still favor helping veterans while also wanting to be prudent about federal spending.

Trad climber
Feb 27, 2014 - 09:24pm PT
John- I was referring to those in this thread who prefer pictures to paragraphs.

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 27, 2014 - 10:30pm PT
Fritz...Corporations are people and job providers..They are almost God-like when compared to veteran or pheasants whose job it is to sacrifice so that Corporations can attain God like status..

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 27, 2014 - 10:45pm PT
Republicans used a procedural move to block the bill

nothing new about that, screw the Vets, big oil needs their tax subsidies more

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 27, 2014 - 10:47pm PT
Scary is that the Republicans could win the senate in the mid-term election...

Feb 28, 2014 - 01:29am PT
^^^^^^^^^By people who disdain social welfare. Somehow it hasn't occurred to them that the biggest villains and perpetrators of social welfare are the giant corporations who both get tax breaks as well as define a minimum wage rate that is too low for self sufficiency, and that the GOP are the ones who primarily designed this system and continue to pass legislation to strengthen it and keep it in place. So ridiculous. It would be slapstick funny if it didn't have such negative consequences.
Dr. F.

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2014 - 12:03pm PT
What the Republicans are really saying
All our tax dollars go to Corporate Welfare and tax cuts for the rich
So we can't afford to provide Veterans benefits anymore

Go cry to some church for a handout
Dr. F.

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2014 - 12:11pm PT
Why I left the GOP

I grew up in a rich, Republican household, but after Katrina and Iraq, I realized my priorities were out of order


Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Feb 28, 2014 - 12:19pm PT
the liberal dream: one party rule

Dr. F.

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 28, 2014 - 12:21pm PT
What is the cause of our radical division in Politics?
Fox News and the Right wing Media

They are the Propaganda wing of the Republican Party, and will make up any BS to create more division and hate for the other side. It's all about demonise the enemy so you will support them by default.

How many people are casualties of their Propaganda?
millions, all in denial of the facts, and a lost cause to ever bring back to reality since every thing they know from these sources is WRONG
Climate Change, Taxes, Welfare, Gays, abortion and on and on, but the biggest thing they are in denial of is, What the Republican Party is really up to, and what they Don't tell you, because you guys are just dupes to their social engineering program to install a right wing hell hole of a Fascist Theocracy

I lost my dad to Fox News: How a generation was captured by thrashing hysteria
Old white people are drowning in despair and rage. Here's how my father lost his mind -- thanks to his cable diet

Edwin Lyngar


Old, white, wrinkled and angry, they are slipping from polite society in alarming numbers. We’re losing much of a generation. They often sport hats or other clothing, some marking their status as veterans, Tea Partyers or “patriots” of some kind or another. They have yellow flags, bumper stickers and an unquenchable rage. They used to be the brave men and women who took on America’s challenges, tackling the ’60s, the Cold War and the Reagan years — but now many are terrified by the idea of slightly more affordable healthcare and a very moderate Democrat in the White House.

We’re losing people like my father to the despair of Fox News, and it’s all by design.

My dad is 67 years old, a full year younger than the average Fox viewer, who is 68, according to an analysis in New York magazine by columnist Frank Rich. I’ve read accounts of people my age — 40 or so — losing parents to cancer or Alzheimer’s, but just as big a tragedy are the crops of grandmothers and grandfathers debilitated by Fox News-induced hysteria.

I enjoyed Fox News for many years, as a libertarian and frequent Republican voter. I used to share many, though not all, of my father’s values, but something happened over the past few years. As I drifted left, the white, Republican right veered into incalculable levels of conservative rage, arriving at their inevitable destination with the creation of the Tea Party movement.

When I finally pulled the handle for Obama in 2012, my father could not believe how far I’d fallen. I have avoided talking politics with him as much as possible ever since. Last week, I invited him to my house for dinner with the express purpose of talking about politics and most especially his Fox News addiction. Since he retired, he only watches Fox. As we started chatting up politics, I repeated one mantra over and over: “Please, please, consume another source of information.” I repeated my plea a dozen times. He defended with stridency his choices, citing his favorites, like Stuart Varney, “The Five” and the great Charles Krauthammer. When it came to any other source of information he was emphatic.

“I don’t care to see any more of that liberal bullsh#t,” he said in one form or another all night.

We rehashed some issues, starting with his absolute skepticism about global warming and evolution. “Science and religion are the same thing,” he said. And, “We didn’t come from a f*#king monkey,” he added like he always does.

In real life Archie Bunker isn’t that cute. If he’s Archie, that makes me either Meat Head or Sallie Struthers (the very definition of lose-lose).

I’m overeducated in the humanities, so I’m an imperfect ambassador for science. I respect scholarship, peer review and the scientific method. When I tell my dad he should believe the experts in climate science, he gets really mad.

“Global warming is your religion,” he says. Because I’m an atheist, calling me religious is the worst insult he can summon, so he uses it often.

My father sincerely believes that science is a political plot, Christians are America’s most persecuted minority and Barack Obama is a full-blown communist. He supports the use of force without question, as long as it’s aimed at foreigners. He thinks liberals are all stupid, ignorant f*#ks who hate America.

I don’t recall my father being so hostile when I was growing up. He was conservative, to be sure, but conventionally and thoughtfully so. He is a kind and generous man and a good father, but over the past five or 10 years, he’s become so conservative that I can’t even find a label for it.

What has changed? He consumes a daily diet of nothing except Fox News. He has for a decade or more. He has no email account and doesn’t watch sports. He refuses to so much as touch a keyboard and has never been on the Internet, ever. He thinks higher education destroys people, not only because of Fox News, but also because I drifted left during and after graduate school.

I do not blame or condemn my father for his opinions. If you consumed a daily diet of right-wing fury, erroneously labeled “news,” you could very likely end up in the same place. Again, this is all by design. Let’s call it the Fox News effect. Take sweet, kindly senior citizens and feed them a steady stream of demagoguery and repetition, all wrapped in the laughable slogan of “fair and balanced.” Even watching the commercials on Fox, one is treated to sales pitches for gold and emergency food rations, the product cornerstones of the paranoid. To some people the idea of retirees yelling at the television all day may seem funny, but this isn’t a joke. We’re losing the nation’s grandparents, and it’s an American tragedy.

People talk about the imminent “death” of Fox News itself, because of an ever-aging demographic. Again, Frank Rich makes this case, but I think his argument is dubious. Certainly the audience is graying to oblivion, but it’s a cold comfort to those of us who watch our parents or grandparents drown in an incessant downpour of outrage. We will only see the “End of Fox News” when my father and his contemporaries die. I do not want to watch my father and his entire generation spend their remaining years enraged at utter nonsense.

My cohort, Generation X, is stuck between two generations of suffering Americans. The millennial generation is losing job opportunities and income as the nation stagnates. They put off marriage and buying homes. While white, Fox News-addicted baby boomers have lost their sense of hope. They’ve been passed over by shifting attitudes about gay marriage, the role of government and a host of issues. They still think of themselves as the “silent majority,” when in reality they are a wounded and thrashing legacy of white hegemony. My parents’ generation is becoming fragile antiques, relics by choice, reassured by Fox News that they are still the only voice that matters.

I, and people like me, have managed to break the cycle of conservative red-and race-baiting. I’ve noticed similar attitude shifts among some of my close friends, who have likewise drifted from the televised rage of our fathers. I only wish I could do something to ease the anxiety of those I love, an emotion that is a cash cow for exploitative right-wing commentators. But I have no real solution, other than to turn off the television. Sadly, for some of the nation’s elderly, they seem to have no desire whatsoever to rethink the politics of fear and Fox News. It’s a criminal waste of retirement.
Dingus Milktoast

Gym climber
U.N. Ambassador, Crackistan
Feb 28, 2014 - 12:36pm PT
His father is bluring?


Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 28, 2014 - 12:44pm PT
same host, different donors?

Social climber
Falls Church, VA
Feb 28, 2014 - 12:59pm PT
irs claims the "fine" that scotus declared is actually a "tax" (therefore, making the law constitutional) is no longer a tax but an "individual shared responsibility payment"


barry, joe, nancy, and harry, of course, joyfully explain that barrycare, which MANDATES the "individual shared responsibility payment", allows you to escape your "job lock" and write poetry because if you quit your job you can take government subsidies, which means you won't be responsible for the MANDATED "individual shared responsibility payment", which means the MANDATED "individual shared responsibility payment" for those not responsible enough to have a job must be paid--because it's MANDATED--by those responsible enough to have a job

winston smith is dead
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