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jghedge

climber
Nov 21, 2012 - 04:50pm PT
"Never quite understood the belief that calling someone a name can relieve you of the need to make a good argument."

Hahahaha

The inability to make a good argument is what is politically exterminating the repub party.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2012 - 05:04pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
Captain...or Skully

climber
Nov 21, 2012 - 05:12pm PT
renounce
jghedge

climber
Nov 21, 2012 - 06:34pm PT
Ron Paul Thinks Secession Should Be On The Table

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/84058.html#ixzz2CiFkgHtG


“If the possibility of secession is completely off the table there is nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties and no recourse for those who are sick and tired of it.”

Actually, Ron, you're wrong about that. You can simply renounce your US citizenship and leave. Then the federal gov't couldn't encroach on your liberties anymore. Why not do that? It would have pretty much the same practical effect as secession.

Or does he want to secede, but still keep his US citizenship?

Why don't any repubs just renounce their citizenship?

Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2012 - 06:52pm PT
nothing to stop the federal government from continuing to encroach on our liberties
First..
you should tell us what these liberties that are being encroached upon

Do you mean the Health Care mandate??
Like RomneyCare and the Heritage Inst. mandate to make sure that the Insurance Companies don't lose money?

Or the insane airport security, wiretapping, illegal wars, torture, secret prisons, militarized police force, and the trillions of lost money of the Bush Admin.

Because Obama hasn't encroached on any liberties, other than the made up ones you guys keep lying about.
We have never been freer
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 21, 2012 - 06:54pm PT
Obama working with Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood to broker a cease fire is like the Nazis being enlisted tohelp build a Holocaust memorial. Hamas is a creation of the Muslim Brotherhood. Egypt is pretending to be an impartial third party, and Obama is pretending right along with them.

President Mohamid Morsi is a former leader of the MB and is an outspoken supporter of Hamas.

btw, regarding Israel, Obama/Clinton = lip service!
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2012 - 06:57pm PT
Please provide links that paint the Muslim Brotherhood as Nazis

As far as I'm concerned, they are just the same as the Christian Brotherhood, and working to make this world a better place

Same thing, different side of the coin

Who else are they going to broker a deal with?? The Nazi's?
such a typical tribal response, if Muslim is in their title, they must be bad.

News Alert!!!
Half the world's population are Mulsims
or something around that
TGT

Social climber
So Cal
Nov 21, 2012 - 07:01pm PT
you really are an idiot.

philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 21, 2012 - 07:10pm PT
Hamas was a creation of the Mossad as a counter to Arafat and Fatah.
It didn't work out the way they had hoped paeticularly when Isreal forced early elections in the Occupied Territories.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2012 - 07:11pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.
jghedge

climber
Nov 21, 2012 - 07:12pm PT
"you really are an idiot."

Says the guy who thinks posting FauxNews links doesn't make him look like...an idiot.

Repub fools guzzling the FauxNews kool-aid play riiiight into liberal's hands - keep it up, Super Genius.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 21, 2012 - 07:38pm PT
Mitch McConnell and the Art of Dysfunction

Posted: 11/20/2012 2:00 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanley-kutler/mitch-mcconnell-and-the-a_b_2161238.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

In most "democratic" countries, whether they have parliamentary or a form of presidential government, opposition leaders traditionally step aside following a defeat. Gordon Brown, the ousted British Labor Party leader, made news only because he visited Malala Yousufzai, the young Pakistani girl shot by the Taliban for advocating the right of girls to be educated. So much for typical functions of defeated leaders.

Mitch McConnell, the Republican Senate leader and the de facto opposition leader in the United States, knows no such sense of loss. Two years ago, McConnell announced that "the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." He meant every word of that promise, and he scored a new standard for opposition, invoking a filibuster more than 300 times, and effectively blocking presidential initiatives, whether job creation, tax increases, or merely threatening to block an Elizabeth Warren nomination, the president's believed choice, to head the newly-created Consumer Affairs agency -- be careful of what you wish for.

Following the president's reelection, McConnell remained intransigent and coldly reacted: "The voters have not endorsed the failures or excesses of the president's first term," harmonizing petulance and disappointment, McConnell said it was time for a solution to the president's failure to lead. President Obama should "propose solutions that actually have a chance of passing the Republican-controlled House," he said, "and deliver in a way that he did not in his first four years in office."

McConnell wanted the president not to propose his own agenda and policies, but to offer "solutions" that would satisfy Republicans -- and undoubtedly on their own terms. McConnell's boldness knows no boundaries. He urged the president to do a "Clintonian backflip," and then "if he's willing to meet us halfway on some of the biggest issues, it's not inappropriate for us to do business with him." How generous if not comical, for all of Clinton's accommodation and courting only brought him a Republican impeachment and a McConnell vote to convict and remove him from office.

Given that the president's electoral defeat was McConnell's objective, he failed spectacularly, and now it is irrelevant. The Republicans' leader will not resign, to be sure. McConnell's tactics notwithstanding, the Democratic majority in the Senate has increased, and with the addition of more progressives. The nation can have only an indirect effect on the senator's future; only his party and fellow senators have the power to replace him. In all probability, they lack the courage, let alone the wisdom to do so, meaning they, too, are comfortable in their obstructionist roles.

Incidentally, one day following after the election -- besides issuing threats -- it was business as usual for McConnell. He attended a fundraiser in his behalf, with entry fees of $25,000 for PACs and $1,000 for individuals. The contributors, we can be sure, are not looking for much change in the senator.

McConnell is only symptomatic of a larger problem. The filibuster, once rarely used, is now commonplace. It has no place in the constitutional system for it developed over time as an anomalous weapon for the ostensible preservation of "minority rights," but actually to the point of obliterating majority rule.

Filibusters now are weapons of convenience. At one time, southern senators filibustered in desperate efforts to preserve their racially-segregated systems of social control. Like Mafia warriors they brought mattresses and cots to their Senate offices as members engaged in round-the-clock blather that only served to block legislative procedure. At times, the Senate was brought to a standstill for several weeks. Alas! filibusters now are refined to a point where they are easily invoked when a senator announces his opposition, and a cloture vote is taken almost immediately. Some filibuster; and everyone is off to a fundraiser. It borders on a very bad joke.

There may be a way out of this legislative gridlock. The new Senate will have a larger Democratic majority and, most significantly, its progressive wing has been strengthened -- particularly with such newly-elected members as Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts. They and the rest of the majority Democrats were elected to govern, not to paralyze themselves. Senators new and old have no obligation to maintain antiquated, often destructive rules. If there is to be governance, the Democrats must prevail upon majority leader Sen. Harry Reid to propose a new Senate rule requiring only a majority vote to invoke cloture.

Republicans undoubtedly will contend that a two-thirds vote is necessary to change the rules, but they will do so at the cost of conveniently forgetting their own recent history. A few years ago, when Democrats threatened to filibuster Republican judicial nominees, the Republicans responded with their own threat of a "nuclear option," which would have changed the rules requiring only a majority vote to end filibusters on such matters. Democrats readily capitulated.

Both Obama and Reid must realize that a new rule is essential to governance. If the Senate will not reform itself the Democrats themselves will inherit a unique blame of their own. Perhaps there will be an initial effort and even accomplishment of some bipartisan legislation. But it will not last. McConnell reportedly might face a tea party candidate in 2014, and he undoubtedly will tack right. If so, he will be remembered as the John C. Calhoun of the 21st century. In the 1830s, Calhoun devised the notion of a "concurrent majority" to rationalize the South's minority power and control to serve the class of slave masters.

Calhoun's idea was never fully implemented as legislative or constitutional doctrine, but for all practical purposes, it effectively operated to give the South a virtual veto power, truly paralyzing legislative action, whether governance in the territories, with or without slavery, a national transportation system, currency reform, tariff schedules, and other aspects of economic development. In the years leading up to the Civil War, it produced nothing less than dysfunction and a failure to confront the nation's most pressing problems. "And the war came," as Abraham Lincoln famously said.
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 21, 2012 - 07:47pm PT
If Muslim is in their title they must be bad.
WTF?

In my opinion, that is a smokescreen (Muslim in their title). I have nothing against the majority of Muslims. I suspect they are moderate and good and loving people. I have known and worked with many. I don't believe the MB is. They are very crafty.

Plus, I was simply making an analogy. I wasn't calling them Nazis per say. I could have said something like, using Japanese whaling company to build or create a foundation to gather funding and support etc., that focuses on the sperm whale being an endangered species.

Or enlisting street gangs to build a drug treatment center or anti gang foundation.

That was a lame response. In my opinion, the MB is not a moderate Muslim organization. I am not painting all Muslims as radicals.

But, i do hope yer right (other side of the coin).
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 21, 2012 - 08:15pm PT
Obama working with Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood to broker a cease fire is like the Nazis being enlisted tohelp build a Holocaust memorial. Hamas is a creation of the Muslim Brotherhood. Egypt is pretending to be an impartial third party, and Obama is pretending right along with them.
resident Mohamid Morsi is a former leader of the MB and is an outspoken supporter of Hamas.
btw, regarding Israel, Obama/Clinton = lip service!

And what possible credibility do you have to evaluate the inside workings of foreign countries?

Your laughable post give all your reasons why these people cannot create a cease-fire.

Your lack of knowledge or understanding is exhibited BY a cease-fire.

CNN:
Gazans took to the streets in celebration, while an Israeli official also called the cease-fire deal a "victory."
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 21, 2012 - 08:20pm PT
Racisim is despicable no matter who it is aimed at.
Splitter I suggest you refrain from commenting on that which you have no knowledge of.
813 til 40K.
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 21, 2012 - 08:49pm PT
Even your hero Bawny is sponsoring a bill to neuter it.

Get a grip - allowing individuals to opt out is basically irrelevant. No one is allowing religious institutions such as hospitals or schools to opt out. IF individuals want to opt out or states opt out of exchanges they will only be f*#king themselves and more power to them.
jghedge

climber
Nov 21, 2012 - 08:50pm PT
"And what possible credibility do you have to evaluate the inside workings of foreign countries?"

You didn't know?

Wingnuts are privy to WH/CIA intel, of course

This is easily confirmable, by how accurate all their foreign policy assessments are.

I mean, after their infallible election predictions, how could anyone doubt their insight and intelligence regarding foreign affairs?

healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 21, 2012 - 09:23pm PT
Also, with regard to Hamas, it was fostered by and modeled after the Muslim Brotherhood's usual and highly effective pan regional strategy of filling the void left in local community services by corrupt, inattentive regimes, many of which - like Egypt - were propped up by the U.S.

The Brotherhood has been one of the most troubling influences on the Mideast as a whole and is the real philosophical root of many if not most opposition and radical movements across the region and particularly in the wealthy Gulf states. Their ascendance to power in Egypt now represenst a strong encouragement to those same opposition groups across the region who have adopted the same patient strategy of a long term ground game.

However, their ascendance has caused them problems vis-a-vis Hamas because now they can't have it both ways - both to be taken seriously as a player on the world stage after biding their time for decades and providing unyielding and uncompromising support for Hamas. They to will have to evolve and adapt. But make no mistake, they run on-the-ground opposition policy via remote control across the region and if we want peace with Israel it will be on their terms to a degree or not at all.

As far as any comparison to Hitler goes - that would be more aptly applied to successive dictators across the region the U.S. has supported over the past many decades; the Brotherhood is simply an effective adaptative response to decades of despots and a symptom of our own shortsighted history of attempting to treat Mideast cultures as if they were the same as the Latin cultures we dominated for a hundred years in our own hemisphere. And like Latin America, it's very much a reap what you sew sort of deal whether you want to hear that reality or not.
jstan

climber
Nov 21, 2012 - 10:11pm PT
However, their ascendance has caused them problems.......because now they can't have it both ways

That thought occurred to me also upon reading that Palestinians were celebrating the cease fire in the streets. When the Arab nationalists totally lacked power they could take any position at no cost to them. Now that they appear to have some ability to affect things, they will have a population they must please. A population whose expectations are based upon the Arab Spring. As I understand the situation in Iran stress has already appeared as regards that nation's theocracy.

We are not the only ones facing change.
splitter

Trad climber
Cali Hodad, surfing the galactic plane
Nov 21, 2012 - 10:16pm PT
philo,

i was not calling the MB (and certainly not Muslims in general) Nazis. So watch who you are calling a racist. I do suspect that Egypt will take sides if this escalates. Who's side do you think that will be. They (Hamas) has been firing rockets all year at Israel. Back in january they fired mortar shells containing white phosphorus which is particularly nasty. That stuff burns and continues to burn until it runs out of air. In other words, if you get some of that on the back of your hand, it will continue to burn until it burns all the way through to the other side. Ever heard of the Geneva Convention, Philo? War crimes?

Furthermore, Qassam rockets have no guidance system. They are ballistic missiles which go up into an arc and fall back down to earth. The rocket has as much chance as hitting a school, hospital or crowded market as it does its intended target or a target of any strategic value. Its like firing a gun into a crowd, not caring if the victem is a man women child or infant.

The Palastinian's claim the Israelis do the same thing, when in fact they use precision guided munitions, aim at only Hamas targets, and drop leaflets into civilian nieghborhoods before launching airstrikes warning them to distance themselves from Hamas weapons stockpiles and rocket launcer's.

The Hamas locate their rocket launchers next to hospitals, schools, mosques and civilian nieghborhoods deliberately knowing that Israel will not hit them there, and if they do, Hamas scores a propaganda victory.

Hamas is the party on the attack, Israel is the party on the defense.

So, US calls for Israels restraint?

Canada's prime minister was evidently shocked at Obama's lack of support for Israel.

"When Israel, the only country in the world whose very existence is under attack, is consistently and conspicuously singled out for condemnation, I believe we are morally obligated to take a stand."

While Obama is calling for restraint Prime Minister Harper reaffirms Israels right to defend itself and offered Canadian support for the Israeli's!

"Racist"???

I donate money, and, may possibly donate my time to relief and mediacal help to Muslim countries and people, digging wells, etc! Theree isn't a racist thought or bone in my body. What do you do?

And as far as the Muslim Brotherhood, I hope your right, because we don't seem to have much of an option regarding Egypt. The 30 year truce they had with Egypt is skating on very thin ice, imo! Time will see.

I was commenting on the Arab worlds desire to "Drive Israel into the sea!"

Are you so naive that you think that desire no longer exists? I suspect so.

And like I said, Hamas is the creation of the MB. And Egypt is openly siding with Hamas against Israel.

And just because I don't spend 24/7 over here on this thread doesn't mean I dont know anything about the subject. I looked closely at the history of the MB back when the Arab Spring broke. Have ya ever heard of the term 'wolf in sheep's clothing" ... that was the conclusion I came to. Their agenda is obvious.

EDIT: and regarding the cease fire. the only cease fire that they are taking part in is when they are low on rockets, etc. and are waiting for a resupply from Libya!!

Healje "As far s the comparison to Hitler goes" 1) i did not compare them to Hitler. 2) i did not compare them to Nazis!

I did compare them being enlisted to broker some peace deal between and Hamas as the same as some body who despises one party and loves the other being called to take a moderate or compromising stand. I already clarified that.

You guys are blind. Just wait and see where this all goes. And then get back with me!

Bottom line -- Israel is gonna be sh#t out of luck before long and will be in the undesirable situation of having no one come to its defence. America certainly wont. So, I am not necessarily pushing for or hoping for a change in the US policy. I will point out where and how it is failing so when the US finally does go down, the sh#t does hit the fan here in good ld USA I can say "I told you so.!"

Bible prophecy is rapidly unfolding. If you followed it, you would be amazed. I already know what is going to happen.



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