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Trad climber
Feb 2, 2014 - 10:41am PT
Someone briefly touched on this but I don't think it quite got the attention it deserves. Tom Perkins, investor and businessman who now sits on the Board of Directors for Newscorp, penned a letter to the editor of the WSJ complaining that the lack of sufficient wealth worship, or more specifically worship of the wealthy, was similar to Nazi Germany's persecution of their "1%" (Jews) and could possibly result in a "Progressive Kristallnacht" (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304549504579316913982034286); where liberals would apparently rise up and shatter the windows of all the skyscrapers on the Upper East Side of Manhattan. Interestingly, the letter mentions that he is a founder of his investment firm but omits that he sits on the board of WSJ's parent company.

Perkins was taken to task for his supposition and went on television to apologize via Bloomberg's network (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-27/tom-perkins-on-bloomberg-tv-i-dont-regret-the-message); but wound up mostly doubling down on his analogy saying that he regrets using the word "Kristallnacht" but that his core message was correct.

The WSJ, not wanting to leave one of their own out in the cold quickly came to his defense, publishing an op-ed (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304691904579348791505926788); using the outrage over the comments as proof positive that Perkins' original assertion was correct: progressives are Nazis and their tactics of tweeting, blogging and making forum posts will soon spill over into totalitarian rule where the wealthy are forced to wear off the rack clothing.

They're giving away the game here. Wealthy conservatives and those that are so bought into the culture of money that actually believe the Colbert lampoon that the free market determines what is good and bad are frustrated and upset that they are not being properly adored for their vast success. Being a multi-multi-multi-millionaire isn't enough. They resent the exposure of the fact that the game is consistently rigged in their favor and that something as obnoxious as democracy allows those with little wealth to have a say in what happens in the country. They are angered at the idea that they would be criticized instead of idolized and that is not taken well amongst a class of people who are accustomed to having everyone around them hanging on their every word.

Somewhere out there
Feb 2, 2014 - 10:47am PT
Take your lying ass insignifiCUNT little self and get fekking lost..Go choke a pole-- im SURE hedge would love yur lips round his wee pipe.

 Feeling tired, frustrated, weak, insignificant and meaningless??

Just cast all that onto an avatar from an online forum and all your fears will just melt away to be replace with self assurance on a level never felt before!!
Dr. F.

Trad climber
Topic Author's Reply - Feb 2, 2014 - 10:57am PT
You want to get the money out of politics?

There is ONLY ONE SINGLE METHOD that will bring this about.

Vote Out all Republicans/Conservatives/libertarians.
Never ever vote for any one of them NO matter what they are running for.

The Conservatives from day one have secretly given Corporations the same rights as a human, and with the Conservative Supreme Court justices appointed by Conservative Presidents Citizens United and further deregulated by the Conservative Congress members.... Big Money is now buying our Conservative Representatives out right!
Those guys are trading in the stock market on bills they are voting for or against on and making millions just out of plain legal corruption!!

The Dems have no other choice but to have to fund raise to match them, we can't just give up, like they hoped.
The point is that the Republicans WILL Never vote to reform campaign finance, the Dems have supported it from day one, they are the People's Party, fighting against Big Money.

Obama raised over a billion dollars in 2012, avg donation was $80
Romney raised a little less than one billion in 2012, avg donation $1000

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2014 - 11:41am PT
Do you think it is that one sided? Bore me more. The amazing part of it is this, that the Republicans have been able to compete at all in the number of voters. The EXACT same corruption is found on the Dems side. but at a lower concentration, spread out thinner but over a larger count of individuals. Try cutting some of the People's money flow from college regents, labor, superintendents... and watch them become modified republicans instantly.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Feb 2, 2014 - 11:52am PT
I think the whole article needs to be posted as there is this idea that the rich suddenly got much richer through their superiority and hard work when nothing could be further from the truth. We're going to need to wake up and make change


The Tom Perkins “billionaires-as-victims” charade couldn’t be more surreal. It goes without saying that his comparing the 1% to victims of Hitler’s genocide is tasteless. That it is oblivious is obvious. And that Perkins himself suffers from paranoid delusions must be suspected.

But there are deeper reasons for plumbing the pathology of Perkins’ rant. As background, let’s recall some basic facts.

Over the past 30-odd years, since Reagan, a vast share of the nation’s income and wealth has been transferred from the poor, working, and middle classes to the very wealthy. Twenty five years ago, the top 1% of income earners pulled in 12% of the nation’s income, today they get twice that, 25%. And the rate of transfer is accelerating.

In the ten years between 1996 and 2006 67% of all the growth in the entire U.S. economy went to the top 1% of income earners. Between 2009 and 2012, 95% of all the new income produced in the economy went to the top 1%. What about everybody else?

Since the late 1970s, labor productivity in the U.S. has risen 259%. If the fruits of that productivity had been distributed according to the capitalist ideal that a person gets what he produces, the average person’s income would be more than double what it is today. The reality?

Median male compensation, adjusted for inflation, is lower today than it was in 1975, a full generation ago. A staggering 40% of all Americans now make less than the 1968 minimum wage. It’s the exact opposite of the cultural myth of shared prosperity and opportunity for all.
The rich are getting richer, and everyone else is getting poorer. That is not an ideological statement. It is an empirical one. Perkins believes that simply discussing such facts cannot be allowed. The rich may only be addressed in terms that signal deification.

But underlying Perkins’ tirade is a conviction that the super-rich have earned everything they’ve gotten and so are beyond reproach. Have they?

An enormous amount of the gains by the super-rich have flowed to those in the finance industry. But much of that has been the result of naked fraud and outright criminality, for example in the mortgage, mortgage securities, and derivatives markets. The simple fact of banks being “too big to fail” (an immunity to failure underwritten by the government) is worth tens of billions of dollars a year. And do we even need mention the trillions of dollars of bailouts lavished on the banks, even as millions of mortgage holders were losing their homes?

The banks have learned how to pillage the public and plunder the public purse by paying a periodic “licensing fee” in the form of a nominal fine with no admission of guilt, even as tens of millions of global victims are denuded of income and wealth.

This is hardly the John Galt/Atlas Shrugged model of rugged economic individualism that Perkins fantasizes. It is a cancerous corruption of markets, achieved by equally cancerous capture of political and regulatory systems. It is so brazen and uncontested it’s become normal. Perkins literally believes it is admirable.

Markets in fossil fuels are equally corrupted, if not more so. Coal and oil companies reap enormous, breathtaking profits, partly by offloading their waste products into the global commons called the atmosphere. As with the banks, it is a massive, trillion-dollar case of privatizing profits while socializing costs.

This is the essential nature of almost all major markets today: the government acts as guarantor of staggering private profits, underwritten at public cost. This is the basis of much of the income and wealth transfers of the past thirty years.

We have WalMart and McDonalds, for example, paying their people so little they are forced onto food stamps. It is a covert subsidy of their costs, borne by the public, and worth hundreds of billions of dollars a year. All hidden in plain view.

Or, remember G.W. Bush’s billion giveaway to the pharmaceutical industry with his Medicare Part D gift. It prohibited the government from negotiating for lower drug prices or from allowing foreign-made competition into the U.S. market. Its value? $600 billion.

The government effectively quit enforcing anti-trust thirty years ago, with the consequence that almost all major markets have become consolidated into just a handful of mega-corporations who agree not to compete on price. Think, for example, of the banking, airline, telecommunications, insurance, weapons, and media industries. They are massive oligopolies, extracting all value from their captive customers.

It is through such structuring of industries, stripping of regulations, provision of subsidies and guarantees, favorable tax treatments, and a thousand other insider artifices that the U.S. economy has become a mechanism for sluicing the nation’s income and wealth to those who are already the most wealthy, like Tom Perkins.

The consequence is that the U.S. has become the most unequal economy in the developed world, and with less upward mobility than any other industrialized country. Another consequence is the devastation of democracy, as pharaoic wealth is channeled into buying politicians, judges, regulators and all other gatekeepers of the public trust. Inequality and plutocracy then become an irreversible problem.

Perkins’ delusions of persecution might be tolerable were they rooted in some reality about the source of the 1%’s income and wealth. They are not. We must guard against letting his narcissistic delusions become anyone else’s cognitive map for how to deal with the problem.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Feb 2, 2014 - 12:26pm PT

I've posted before about Lakoff, who I think is one of the brilliant observers of America politics. Liberals would do well to read his work.

George Lakoff on Communication: "Liberals Do Everything Wrong"
Progressives have got it wrong — and if they don't start to get it right, the conservatives will maintain the upperhand.

Communicating Our American Values and Vision, he gives this precis: "Framing is not primarily about politics or political messaging or communication. It is far more fundamental than that: frames are the mental structures that allow human beings to understand reality – and sometimes to create what we take to be reality. But frames do have an enormous bearing on politics … they structure our ideas and concepts, they shape the way we reason … For the most part, our use of frames is unconscious and automatic."

Bruce Kay

Gym climber
Feb 2, 2014 - 12:30pm PT
Check out The Wolf of Wall Street. A Martin Scorcesse film. You will then know where Perkins acquires his values

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2014 - 12:33pm PT
I'm honored to be accepted as your blood brother. I completely agree with your post, every word except the first line which I think was supposed to be a secret code or handshake of fraternal nature.

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2014 - 12:47pm PT
No way! The egging always got my heart racing.

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 2, 2014 - 12:54pm PT
Ken...Thanks...Interesting article...I think the last election was a good example of what Lakoff was talking about when the over-confident Romney camp was poised to win the presidency and Obama suprisingly came from behind to win at the last minute.....The Repubs frame their message so that the average , poverty stricken , angry white male can understand the script and then vote against their own interest...
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 2, 2014 - 12:57pm PT
Voting AT ALL these days is AGAINST our interests. What with the limited pool of 1%ers we have to "choose from"...

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2014 - 12:58pm PT
Now RJ, so true, but read the other side of the coin with like honesty.

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 2, 2014 - 01:01pm PT
Ron...Light a candle and curse the darkness....
Ron Anderson

Trad climber
Relic MilkEye and grandpoobah of HBRKRNH
Feb 2, 2014 - 01:03pm PT
"I had a dream" where NO ONE showed up to vote in the next election.. Wouldnt THAT be a HOOT!

Sometimes LA
Feb 2, 2014 - 01:53pm PT

Reince Priebus had basically the same dream.

Social climber
the Wastelands
Feb 2, 2014 - 01:59pm PT
Reince Priebus had basically the same dream.


ain't that the truth
Jim Brennan

Trad climber
Feb 2, 2014 - 02:08pm PT
What if you held a Republican and no one came ?

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
Feb 2, 2014 - 07:18pm PT
Wow, that cut/paste showed ignorance not knowledge of capitalism. Where he says...

Individual capitalists act to corrupt government officials to serve their enterprise's needs. Grouped into associations, they do likewise for their industries. When organized as a whole (in "chambers of commerce" or "manufacturers alliances," etc.), they corrupt to secure their class interests. When such corruption is not secret, capitalists articulate their demands to corrupted officials as "good for the economy or society as a whole." Such phrases constitute the "appropriate language" that enables officials publicly to disguise and hopefully to legitimate their corrupt acts.

Uh that's not capitalism, that is cronyism.

There are entrepreneurs and there are political entrepreneurs. That doods answer is more regulation which untold by him is a huge cause of cronyism. You guys read the Jungle right? How many inspectors were already in those meat houses?

Term limits, flat taxes, no bail outs, no subsidies, end the Fed; we need a free market not more crony politicians cuddling up to life long political careers and big biz.

Cheers fellas!

Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
Feb 2, 2014 - 07:49pm PT
rsin....are trickle down and corporate jizz the same fluid..?

Trad climber
Living Outside the Statist Quo
Feb 2, 2014 - 08:03pm PT
Quite a disgusting response which informs me of whom I am conversing with.

I made no "bullet points" ru talking about
Term limits? - 12 years ? Cronies want that?

Flat taxes? It's to eliminate deductions to zero, show me a bazionaire who wants zero deductions. (You folks do know how much deductions you get when you make 300,000?

No subsidies: I don't know of a common farmer who gets them, it's all or mostly big biz now so let's cut em.

End the fed: Wall Street loves the Fed, it is their partner. So I want to break that connection.

And I'm a tool of the rich?

How does one define a ....

Edit: So as to knott bump a pathetic thread.

Flat tax means no other deductions, if the bill makes it less than clear that deductions are allowed then A. It is not a flat tax and B. you can bet its a crony who submitted said bill to ward off one of those evil liberty guys.

Hey wall.....
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