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Curt

climber
Gold Canyon, AZ
Nov 17, 2012 - 08:28am PT
The Republicans are still baffled about why they lost, but they may be getting somewhere:

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/honeymoon-vegas-republican-governors-seek-couples-counseling-america-193643564--election.html

LAS VEGAS—Throughout history, the desert has been a place for personal reflection and self-discovery, where holy men retreat to seek insights into life's deepest questions.
For example, if you're a Republican in 2012, why your party couldn't get its act together and beat President Barack Obama.

America's Republican governors made a pilgrimage here this week in search of answers. Why did their party lose a contest they were told would be a cakewalk? For two days at the Encore resort and casino, the members of the Republican Governors Association met to lick their postelection wounds and mull over what went wrong. By week's end, there seemed to be more questions than answers: Was it Mitt Romney's fault? Are the Republican Party's ideas outdated? Why did Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock talk about rape so much? What can we do to make minorities like us more? Where's the craps table?

To help guide the beleaguered Republicans, there was no shortage of party brainpower on hand. In attendance was former Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, the wise grandfather figure who offered comfort to the afflicted, but not without forcing everyone to swallow a bitter pill first. "We've got to give our political organizational activity a very serious proctology exam," Barbour told the governors Wednesday...

Barbour appears to finally acknowledge they're as#@&%es.

Curt
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Nov 17, 2012 - 03:19pm PT
Riley,

that was a very funny Bill Maher monologue last night, one of his best.
Jingy

climber
Somewhere out there
Nov 17, 2012 - 05:15pm PT



an idea spawned out of the OWS that will lead to the abolition of some bad debt.

It's unfortunate that Congress, Senate and OOP will not move to affect the significant change needed so that this type of debt cannot build up again…

And of course, I realize that the republigoon party is strictly apposed to the idea of a debt free society.















Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 17, 2012 - 09:05pm PT
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=9132

This really shoke me up tonight.

F*#k Israel....
Seriously ...
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 17, 2012 - 10:10pm PT
Ken M, with all due respect, where are you getting your news on the fallen General?

There is a new book out: The Generals: American Military Command from World War II to Today by Thomas Ricks. His last entire chapter is on Petraeus, who he's known for 15 years. His last entire book was on Petraeus.

I heard Ricks speak in person last tues.

Otherwise, The News Hour, Wall Street Journal, CNN, Wa Post, and many others.

Brief video of his remarks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfNO2Jf2KGk
MisterE

Social climber
Nov 17, 2012 - 10:16pm PT
Posting to political threads is like saying:

"I'm just going to have this one more cigarette..."

except it poisons your brain instead of your lungs.

Pro-active is the living

Reactive is the posting.

Peace, out.

E
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2012 - 07:45am PT
Wrong Mister E
Posting here is a celebration of the Human way of life
Castigating the misinformed
and reveling in brotherhood with your bros that are on the Right Side of the Future

We are doing a service for all Human kind
Exposing lies, BS talking points, and Propaganda that is bringing this Country down

Why are you so negative?
You don't think we are living??
You are seriously mistaken. We are on the top of the game when it comes to living!

The more you know, the more you live, the more it becomes imperative that you educate the lost souls.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 18, 2012 - 08:20am PT
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/divided-states-of-america-notes-on-the-decline-of-a-great-nation-a-865295.html

View from the much acclaimed Germany:

Notes on the Decline of a Great Nation
Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2012 - 08:59am PT
Maybe some one can give me a rundown on what's happening in Israel now.
Who started it?
Hamas or the Jews?
Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 18, 2012 - 09:22am PT
The historic record is a little biased, but it appears the Jews started it when Moses led them into Israel from the Sinai desert.

It will be going on until one side or the other is down to the last bullet, then they will throw rocks.
Jorroh

climber
Nov 18, 2012 - 09:37am PT
Thanks for posting that Ken.
Though I have to say that its a bit of a shame that it would take a German newspaper to spell things out so clearly.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 18, 2012 - 09:43am PT
Hamas is clearly the provocateur, and it seems clear that their intention is to force an Iraeli invasion.

This would seem crazy, but I think has to be evaluated through the lens of power. When attacked, a controlling power tends to be supported by the people. If a controlling power gov't is threatened, such an attack is often effectively used to consolidate support, and fight off challenges.

I can't help but wonder if that is the dynamic, as I can see no discussion as to why it is happening NOW.
High Fructose Corn Spirit

Gym climber
-A race of corn eaters
Nov 18, 2012 - 09:48am PT
Maybe some one can give me a rundown on what's happening in Israel now. Who started it? Hamas or the Jews?

Apart from Fritz's post, Robert Wright, addressed this pretty insightfully as well:

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/11/who-started-the-israel-gaza-conflict/265374/

btw, as a scientist / evolutionist, you should already know who Robert Wright is.
Degaine

climber
Nov 18, 2012 - 10:30am PT
Dr. F wrote:
Maybe some one can give me a rundown on what's happening in Israel now.
Who started it?
Hamas or the Jews?


Your question should read "Hamas or the Israelis?"

There are 12 to 13 million Jewish people across the planet and only 4.5 to 5 million live in Israel. Israel also includes Druse, Christian and Muslim citizens who vote, complete their required military service, etc., and make up about 1.5 million people total.

Jewish people are not responsible Israel's actions, Israeli citizens and the Israeli government are.
jstan

climber
Nov 18, 2012 - 11:31am PT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_(Israeli_missile);

Arrow 3

By August 2008 the United States and Israeli governments have initiated development of an upper-tier component to the Israeli Air Defense Command, known as Arrow 3, "with a kill ratio of around 99 percent".[7] The development is based on an architecture definition study conducted in 2006-2007, determining the need for the upper-tier component to be integrated into Israel's ballistic missile defense system. According to Arieh Herzog, the main element of this upper tier will be an exoatmospheric interceptor, to be jointly developed by IAI and Boeing.
A subject that is important to the present situation and possible future situations.

It seems the assets in use now are either Block five units of Arrow 1 or Arrow2 units. Ground radar detects missiles at launch and the apparent target is calculated. An intercept is made only when the calculated target point is not in an open space. Kill ratios in the field of 50% and higher are quoted. (These are low velocity intercepts compared to the 30000 mph and higher needed for global exo-atmospheric intercepts over the Pacific.) Arrow does have capability to distinguish war heads from decoys. I would think this is easier for atmospheric intercepts.

The targeted kill ratio of 99% is strategically important. Anyone who launches against that kill ratio has to consider before launch what the adversary's response will be.

If the missile presented a major threat, then a major response may be counted upon.

climbski2

Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 18, 2012 - 12:15pm PT
It's a continuum that flares hotter and colder from time to time. Both sides could pick any arbitrary date from yesterday to 70 years ago and blame the other side if they wish. and they do

The only real fact is that it is a 70 year old war with too many powerful folks on both sides that have no interest in peace.

Thus it continues indefinitely

The biggest losers by any measurement have been the palestinian people.

There have also been winners. People in power on both sides getting rich.

Dr. F.

Ice climber
SoCal
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2012 - 12:50pm PT
Your question should read "Hamas or the Israelis?"
Yes, that is what I meant

So Hamas lobbed the first missiles this time?
healyje

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 18, 2012 - 01:34pm PT
Hamas is basically trying to force some hands on the Arab side of the equation now that the Arab Spring is underway and also fighting to stay in the news. The new government in Egypt is being forced to respond in ways it would much prefer not to and become involved in a peacekeeping role which is unpopular within Egypt. It is also forcing the hand of Gulf State emirs to be more public in their support of Palestinians.

I personally think it's less about Israel this time around and more about forcing Arab states to more visibly support Hamas so they can unilaterally declare statehood and have the Arab world publicly support them in the U.N. where heretofore they have been unwilling to do so. Sort of a sh#t or get off the pot deal.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 18, 2012 - 05:41pm PT
I think Israel periodically provokes the Palestinians from time to time in order to keep them from having a viable state and as an excuse to f*#k things up there so more and more Palestinians leave the hood, eventually giving Israel a larger and larger share of the land. The goal is to eventually cram most Palestinians into the open air prison of Gaza and whittle down the Arabs in the west bank until that becomes Israel, even if some Arabs have to be assimilated.

It's hard to see from the outside but if you look close, you'll see. Israel does not want peace or a two state solution that works. Every time peace breaks out, they assassinate somebody or clamp down in some way to create a response (which the Arabs stupidly provide for them)

This time the Palestinians were going to the UN to ask for status as a state. Israel doesn't want that at all and you can bet it's not really on the UN table anymore

Peace

Karl
Hawkeye

climber
State of Mine
Nov 18, 2012 - 06:51pm PT
Posting to political threads is like saying:

"I'm just going to have this one more cigarette..."

except it poisons your brain instead of your lungs.

Pro-active is the living

Reactive is the posting.

Peace, out.

E

but pathetic f*#ks such as yourself come in to remind lowlifes that we are low....but then again, you had to come here to try and prop your psyche up above the dregs of society that lurk here.

yes ms. E pathetic u r.
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