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Nov 18, 2012 - 02:31pm PT

Arrow 3

By August 2008 the United States and Israeli governments have initiated development of an upper-tier component to the Israeli Air Defense Command, known as Arrow 3, "with a kill ratio of around 99 percent".[7] The development is based on an architecture definition study conducted in 2006-2007, determining the need for the upper-tier component to be integrated into Israel's ballistic missile defense system. According to Arieh Herzog, the main element of this upper tier will be an exoatmospheric interceptor, to be jointly developed by IAI and Boeing.
A subject that is important to the present situation and possible future situations.

It seems the assets in use now are either Block five units of Arrow 1 or Arrow2 units. Ground radar detects missiles at launch and the apparent target is calculated. An intercept is made only when the calculated target point is not in an open space. Kill ratios in the field of 50% and higher are quoted. (These are low velocity intercepts compared to the 30000 mph and higher needed for global exo-atmospheric intercepts over the Pacific.) Arrow does have capability to distinguish war heads from decoys. I would think this is easier for atmospheric intercepts.

The targeted kill ratio of 99% is strategically important. Anyone who launches against that kill ratio has to consider before launch what the adversary's response will be.

If the missile presented a major threat, then a major response may be counted upon.


Mountain climber
Anchorage AK, Reno NV
Nov 18, 2012 - 03:15pm PT
It's a continuum that flares hotter and colder from time to time. Both sides could pick any arbitrary date from yesterday to 70 years ago and blame the other side if they wish. and they do

The only real fact is that it is a 70 year old war with too many powerful folks on both sides that have no interest in peace.

Thus it continues indefinitely

The biggest losers by any measurement have been the palestinian people.

There have also been winners. People in power on both sides getting rich.

Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2012 - 03:50pm PT
Your question should read "Hamas or the Israelis?"
Yes, that is what I meant

So Hamas lobbed the first missiles this time?

Trad climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 18, 2012 - 04:34pm PT
Hamas is basically trying to force some hands on the Arab side of the equation now that the Arab Spring is underway and also fighting to stay in the news. The new government in Egypt is being forced to respond in ways it would much prefer not to and become involved in a peacekeeping role which is unpopular within Egypt. It is also forcing the hand of Gulf State emirs to be more public in their support of Palestinians.

I personally think it's less about Israel this time around and more about forcing Arab states to more visibly support Hamas so they can unilaterally declare statehood and have the Arab world publicly support them in the U.N. where heretofore they have been unwilling to do so. Sort of a sh#t or get off the pot deal.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 18, 2012 - 08:41pm PT
I think Israel periodically provokes the Palestinians from time to time in order to keep them from having a viable state and as an excuse to f*#k things up there so more and more Palestinians leave the hood, eventually giving Israel a larger and larger share of the land. The goal is to eventually cram most Palestinians into the open air prison of Gaza and whittle down the Arabs in the west bank until that becomes Israel, even if some Arabs have to be assimilated.

It's hard to see from the outside but if you look close, you'll see. Israel does not want peace or a two state solution that works. Every time peace breaks out, they assassinate somebody or clamp down in some way to create a response (which the Arabs stupidly provide for them)

This time the Palestinians were going to the UN to ask for status as a state. Israel doesn't want that at all and you can bet it's not really on the UN table anymore



State of Mine
Nov 18, 2012 - 09:51pm PT
Posting to political threads is like saying:

"I'm just going to have this one more cigarette..."

except it poisons your brain instead of your lungs.

Pro-active is the living

Reactive is the posting.

Peace, out.


but pathetic f*#ks such as yourself come in to remind lowlifes that we are low....but then again, you had to come here to try and prop your psyche up above the dregs of society that lurk here.

yes ms. E pathetic u r.

State of Mine
Nov 18, 2012 - 10:00pm PT
Obama: Israel has 'every right' to defend itself from Gaza missile attacks


you liberals should be on obama's ass for him suckin up to israel. was the matter with you....


wheres your manhood?......oh philo has someone elses down his throat which luckily shuts him up.

Somewhere out there
Nov 18, 2012 - 10:02pm PT
you had to come here to try and prop your psyche up above the dregs of society that lurk here.

yes ms. E pathetic u r.

 cut it out, Mr E is better than us. Proof is, he never posts to political threads, as he finds them to be "reactive" in nature… He's a proactive type fella.

Just saying.

Mr. E - keep up with the trip reports from you and JTM's climbing adventures.. I love 'em.

Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 18, 2012 - 10:08pm PT
Just sayin <br/>
Just sayin

Credit: Karl Baba
Riley Wyna

Trad climber
A crack near you
Nov 18, 2012 - 10:44pm PT
My understanding is that the man who was bombed in his car was the man most closely involved in the peace process.

There was also a son of a British journalist killed and even the BBC did not cover this tragedy.

The media is failing all of us - cowards
Dave Kos

Trad climber
Nov 18, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
Obama's Rice is way hotter than Bush's Rice.
Dr. F.

Ice climber
Topic Author's Reply - Nov 18, 2012 - 11:12pm PT
Credit: Dr. F.

Social climber
Portland, Oregon
Nov 19, 2012 - 12:23am PT
Re: the Gaza strikes. Don't underestimate internal (Israel) politics in the equation. There are elections in January.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 19, 2012 - 12:50am PT
wheres your manhood?......oh philo has someone elses down his throat which luckily shuts him up.

Hawkeye, let us know when you graduate from grade school, and can interact with adults. Until then, you shouldn't play with your mother's computer.
Karl Baba

Trad climber
Yosemite, Ca
Nov 19, 2012 - 05:27am PT
Credit: Karl Baba

Credit: Karl Baba
The Warbler

the edge of America
Nov 19, 2012 - 10:19am PT
I remember seeing a pen that was custom made for the signing of a document related to the Clinton impeachment. I guess each lawmaker gets his own pen. They read:

"UNTIED States Senator"

—special Parker Vector pens given out to U.S. senators signing to "pledge impartial justice" in Clinton's impeachment trial. The pen order was reprinted by Parker.

That fiasco, courtesy of pin headed republicans, marked the start of America's downhill slide, with dubya soon to follow.


Nov 19, 2012 - 12:07pm PT
Gee all the Obama bashers on this thread are strangely silent...

I guess when their party suffers the most devastating electoral disaster in any of our lifetimes, it has the effect of shutting them up.

Maybe now they realize their party is doomed by demographics, and by pandering to the most ignorant, racist dregs of society.

Gratifying for those of us who saw this coming all along - and who know that 2016 will be even worse for them

And 2020 will be The End.

Just Another Failed Ideology Consigned To The Ash Heap Of History.

Repubs Have Failed.


Nov 19, 2012 - 12:14pm PT
“The GOP, the “true red” friends of Israel are now “eating their own young” in a “blame fest” looking for scapegoats to explain why billions of dollars in drug money couldn’t buy an election in a nation long assumed to be filled with the ignorant and “unwashed.”

Israel is partying like they believe this were still 1982. 75,000 young reservists, schooled in apartheid and racism, a generation of young Israeli’s who know little of physical labor, nearly one million “guest workers” do the “heavy lifting now,” are physically and mentally unfit for combat.

There is a difference this time, though the military advances Hamas has made over the past few months, smuggled MANPAD air defense weapons from Libya, rockets with advanced guidance systems and double the range of anything Israel had imagined are not the telling factor.

The issue is political. Even as the words left President Obama’s mouth, his statement of eternal support for Israel and their right of self-defense, he faces Israel as an enemy, perhaps more so than the people of Gaza do.

It is not just Netanyahu’s continual attempts to rig America’s presidential election and his colossal failure.

Netanyahu is clueless as to what is heading his way.
Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 19, 2012 - 12:19pm PT

The first F-35B arrived Friday and 15 more are slated to arrive over the next year. The Defense Department has pumped a half a billion dollars into upgrading the facilities, hangars and runways at the base to make way for the next-generation fighter jet, officials said.

Schedule delays and cost overruns have dogged the F-35's development, making it the Pentagon's most expensive weapons program ever. Ten years in, the total F-35 program cost has jumped from $233 billion to an estimated $385 billion. Recent estimates suggest the entire program could exceed $1 trillion over 50 years.

"It remains to be seen if the F-35B has a long life and is structurally sound," said Field, who was the chief test pilot for the F/A-18. "We won't know for two to three years after it's been in operation. If nothing crops up, perhaps the engineers have done their best work."

"All we can do is hope that they have solved all the program problems and that they've got a pretty good airplane," Field said.

So, we'll throw a TRILLION dollars into the air, and HOPE it works.
What an effing waste.

Lake Tahoe
Nov 19, 2012 - 12:39pm PT
I guess when their party suffers the most devastating electoral disaster in any of our lifetimes, it has the effect of shutting them up.

Richard Nixon's 520 electoral votes to George McGovern's 17 electoral votes and John Hospers's 1 in 1972. (93.3% margin) [wikipedia]

Or did you mean a disaster for the Republicans as opposed to any party?

Loss of an election when nearly half of the country is republican doesn't seem like it will just make all republicans go away. It's naive to think that 50.6% of the popular vote is really a mandate for anything.

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