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jghedge

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:44am PT
Jobs Are Growing, Not Stagnating

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/03/opinion/jobs-are-growing-not-stagnating.html?_r=0

Last month, when the unemployment rate dropped by three-tenths of a percentage point to dip below 8 percent for the first time in 43 months, Mitt Romney dismissed the drop as meaningless. Some Republicans said federal officials manipulated the numbers to help President Obama win re-election. This month, when the jobless rate went up by a smaller amount, Mr. Romney took it as gospel, proof that Mr. Obama’s policies are a failure. Last month, Mr. Romney focused on a reduction in the work force. This month, he would not admit that the work force had expanded.


The truth is that Mr. Obama was right when he talked about “real progress” in the economy during a campaign swing in Ohio, where the state unemployment rate has declined from 8.6 percent a year ago to 7 percent recently. Republican obstructionism has made it much harder to achieve the improvement we have seen, but it has failed in its seeming intent to ensure stagnation.

That left Mr. Romney flailing around for a response. His proclamation that the economy was at a “virtual standstill” is believable only if you adopt Mr. Romney’s denial of stark reality. A candidate who could ignore Chrysler’s announcement of 1,100 new jobs in Toledo and claim that Chrysler was moving jobs to China can just as easily see a flat line in an upward trend.

In fact, the jobs recovery has not been derailed; it is showing some signs of acceleration. With 171,000 jobs added last month and job tallies for the two prior months revised upward, employment growth since July has averaged 173,000 jobs a month, up sharply from the average monthly pace of 67,000 in the second quarter of 2012.

That is still not robust enough to swiftly reduce unemployment, but the trend is promising. The challenge is to improve the prospects of the hardest-hit Americans, including the long-term unemployed, laid-off teachers and young workers, while building on the progress.

The presidential campaign has presented two very different approaches. This page rejected the approach of cutting taxes, slashing federal spending, and deregulating the banks and business, even before Mr. Romney made those Republican chestnuts his agenda. Never-ending tax cuts and excessive deregulation have been tried and have proved disastrous. Spending cuts in a slow economy are self-defeating, as is being amply demonstrated in Europe.

Mr. Obama has asserted his employment agenda, including school and infrastructure rebuilding and aid to states to hire teachers. This was detailed in his jobs bill from last year. He has also vowed a responsible approach to deficit reduction, including preserving tax cuts for most Americans while letting the high-end Bush tax cuts expire.

Such approaches would work, but time and again they have met with a stone wall from Republicans, who have been determined to keep the economy as weak as possible to hurt Mr. Obama’s campaign. The Republicans’ last-minute tactic has been a cynical one — to make it clear that they will continue obstructing Mr. Obama if he wins. That is a hollow argument for Mr. Romney. And it does not change the fact that Mr. Romney has no good ideas and Mr. Obama has plenty.


Fritz

Trad climber
Choss Creek, ID
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:52am PT
I'm curious?

Where are the conservatives, who threaten to: "leave the country if Obamaa wins" planning to go?

It has to be a country without "socialized medicine."

Jest wondering?

What decent countary, other than the U.S.-----doesn't have "Socialized Medicine?
jghedge

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 01:58am PT
Hey repubs - think about this

If Romney wins all eleven swing states (which he won't), he'll still only have 276 EV's

The only swing state he can lose, and still win the election, is either New Hampshire (4 EV's) or Nevada (6 EV's) - if he loses any other swing state, he loses the election

And he's polling behind in 9 out of the 11

That's not just disaster for Romney - with those numbers, how do you expect to win ANY presidential elections going forward?

Ken M

Mountain climber
Los Angeles, Ca
Nov 3, 2012 - 02:23am PT
What I find not shockingly interesting is that this entire thread is filled with people of opposing opinions. The open-minded liberal side remains rational and presents at their best attempt a well thought out argument. meanwhile those on the conservative side offer silly out of context cartoons, statements that simply come from a place of cognitive dissonance (aka the peak of bullshit mountain), and really are troll-like tendencies. They can't be real. Can they?


The strategy involved, is to repeatedly post the same inflammatory stuff, over and over, in an attempt to

1.get people irritated---if you can irritate people you disagree with, it is the closest you can get to spitting in their face.

2. keep people busy---if they are sufficiently absorbed, they will not do things like work for their candidate, talk their friends into voting, etc.

3. wear people down, so they are so disgusted with the whole thing, they won't vote.

This is not random, it is thought out.
Mighty Hiker

climber
Vancouver, B.C.
Nov 3, 2012 - 02:47am PT
Republican national HQ, secret wiretap record:

"OK boys, thers's not long until the election. We have to fight those Damnocrats on the beaches, in the trenches, and in the airport men's rest rooms. Every vote counts. We need some volunteers for a suicide mission. You, agent hawkeye! Corniss Chomper! TGT! You've proven your worthlessness to the cause in so many ways, you're perfect for this mission. You can't even get little old ladies who've been voting Republican since Hoover to the polls without f*#king up. So you're selected.

Your mission? To infiltrate the nefarious climbers' website called SuperTopo, and futilely and fruitlessly try to change opinions there. It won't matter a damn - the only changes ever recorded there are Fritz and jstan, and they switched to the Democrats. But at least you won't be screwing things up for us in things that matter, and it's not like those bone-headed climbers are likely to notice what you're really up to, preventing them from doing something useful for Obama.

And yes, about agent PhatTrad. We're sorry about what happened to him, but once he was outed as an agent for the Democrats, in deep cover, it was for his own good. Yes, we bought him a one-way ticket to Israel, then got a friend at State to revoke his citizenship.

As for the unfortunate incident involving the entity known as LEB. Well, DARPA says they're working hard to debug the program - something about black skwirrrrls. And what happens in LEB club stays in LEB club, nawmean?"
gf

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 04:14am PT
But we do need to give you a veneer of being climbers, so you'll need to take turns being this character we'll call Yosemite 5.9
QITNL

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 05:40am PT
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philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 3, 2012 - 08:44am PT
TPM2012
Romney: Elect Me Or House GOP Will Wreck The Economy

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/romney-new-recession-warning.php


BENJY SARLIN NOVEMBER 2, 2012, 12:07 PM 111745
In what his campaign billed as his “closing argument,” Mitt Romney warned Americans that a second term for President Obama would have apocalyptic consequences for the economy in part because his own party would force a debt ceiling disaster.

“Unless we change course, we may well be looking at another recession,” Romney told a crowd in West Allis, Wisconsin.

Romney said that Obama “promised to be a post-partisan president, but he became the most partisan” and that his bitter relations with the House GOP could threaten the economy. As his chief example, he pointed to a crisis created entirely by his own party’s choice — Republican lawmakers’ ongoing threat to reject a debt ceiling increase. Economists warn that a failure to pass such a measure would have immediate and catastrophic consequences for the recovery.

“You know that if the President is re-elected, he will still be unable to work with the people in Congress,” Romney said. “He has ignored them, attacked them, blamed them. The debt ceiling will come up again, and shutdown and default will be threatened, chilling the economy.”

Despite the apocalyptic warnings on the economy, most of the Republican nominee’s speech focused on a more modest argument that as president he would work with both sides to build a stronger economy. He said that, like Obama, “I promise change, but I have a record of achieving it.”

“I won’t spend my effort trying to pass partisan legislation that’s unrelated to economic growth,” Romney said. “From day one, I will go to work to help Americans get back to work.”

Romney’s warnings of a second recession came the same day as an unexpectedly strong jobs report which, combined with other recent indicators, has many economists hopeful that the recovery may be gaining strength. Many current projections show the economy picking up steam in the near term regardless of who wins the presidency, leading to speculation on a looming battle over who deserves the credit.

With four days left, Romney may need an exceptionally strong close to overcome the president in the electoral college. The overwhelming majority of polls show Obama with a modest but stable lead in critical swing states, most notably Ohio, and other potentially decisive states like Virginia and Colorado remain tossups at best.
philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 3, 2012 - 09:50am PT
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I think the parents that handed their babies to Mittens should be investigated for child abuse.
Silver

Ice climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 09:59am PT
Just out of curiosity Dr. F, Philo and the rest of you lib leg humpers what are you going to do if Mitt for brains wins this billion dollar race between two very poor choices?

philo

Trad climber
Somewhere halfway over the rainbow
Nov 3, 2012 - 10:01am PT
Just out of curiosity Dr. F, Philo and the rest of you lib leg humpers what are you going to do if Mitt for brains wins this billion dollar race between two very poor choices?


Silver I suggest you look in the mirror.

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We will survive the best we can. Just like we did under the disastrous 8 years of stolen Presidency under Bush.
What will you do Silver when Obama landslides to victory?


Personally I am going to laugh my ass off til I puke that contemptuous billionaires squandered their billions on a failed attempt to derail our country. Then I will be mad as hell that that money was flushed down a toilet of lies and wasn't used to help improve this country. Then I am going to campaign for the repealing of Citizens United, the Patriot Act and the Dept of Fatherland Insecurity.

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Then I will be very glad to see the end...















































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apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 3, 2012 - 10:23am PT
MH, that's pretty funny!
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Nov 3, 2012 - 10:29am PT
What I find not shockingly interesting is that this entire thread is filled with people of opposing opinions. The open-minded liberal side remains rational and presents at their best attempt a well thought out argument. meanwhile those on the conservative side offer silly out of context cartoons, statements that simply come from a place of cognitive dissonance (aka the peak of bullshit mountain), and really are troll-like tendencies. They can't be real. Can they?


turd lickers
dirtbag

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 10:35am PT
Good morning Right wingers. :-)

Nate Silver has updated his model again. Anyway, here it is:

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Since you righties have trouble with math and sh#t, I will explain what this means. Last night, the probability of Obama winning was 82.7%. Now, it is 83.7% (see the circled number). That means, there is no Mittmentum with 3 days left until the election, and your candidate is in an even worse position than he was a few hours earlier.

Chew on that, and have a nice day.
dirtbag

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 10:36am PT
Yeah, good one MH. :-)
apogee

climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
Nov 3, 2012 - 10:37am PT
Just keeps getting better and better, don't it?

Man, I hope that adorable geeky statistician Nate Silver is right. Otherwise, we'll never live it down (in more ways than one).
dirtbag

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 10:54am PT
At this point I think it is about getting folks to the polls. But then again, so many people have already voted, so much of that work has been done. Observers say the President has a good ground game: we'll know for sure in a few days.
Norton

Social climber
the Wastelands
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:00am PT
Team Obama said that their campaign efficiency was "Jurassic" in 08 compared to now.

I like that
gf

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:03am PT
I urge all dems in colorado to help as many folks committed to voting for obama to the polls-and while you're there keep an eye on those ID challenging citizen united knuckleheads -its get out the vote time and i sure hope the ground game will void the chance of another "brooks brothers riot" in 2000 which IMHO was a turning point in Bush stealing the election.
jghedge

climber
Nov 3, 2012 - 11:05am PT

http://www.politico.com/morningscore/1112/morningscore9387.html

"The campaign announced that 30,000 people attended, but Secret Service sources said just 15,000 went through metal detectors. And local law enforcement counted the crowd at 18,000."

Hahahaha, like I said, there's no way in hell Romney pulled in 30000
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