Dr. F.
Ice climber
SoCal
|
|
|
Topic Author's Reply - Oct 14, 2012 - 10:01am PT
|
I don't thump for Obama
Perhaps because it is THE SAME tactics used by bush for the invasion of Iraq. Wrong
This is THE SAME tactic that the Right Wingers and Mitt Romney are using to drum up support for an invasion of Iran. "They are building WMDs!!!, we must stop them before they get a nuclear weapon, and use it against us!!"
Can you see the similarity???????????!!!!!!!!!!!11111666
Obama never invaded Libya, nor did we set up their new Gov.
so you are very confused about the truth of the situation.
Obama never said it was terrorist free, and a model society.
I don't thump for Obama, I just want to make sure we don't go back to the Bush type Gov ever again, like what would happen if the Republicans get back in full power
|
|
k-man
Gym climber
SCruz
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 10:05am PT
|
The biggest lie during the debate was Joe Biden using the word “my friend”, 14 times to address Ryan.
Yes indeed, that is quite the lie.
But the fact is, that's how folks in Congress address each other. It's a de facto protocol to address your peers as 'my friend'.
But if that's the lie you want to go with, great! Shows the weak sauce you got.
Meanwhile, Ryan told some real doozies! Yes indeed.
Can anybody guess why the MSM isn't all over Ryan's Lyian's?
|
|
Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 10:08am PT
|
Doc, we were attacked by libyans and NOW we focus in Iran and you see no similarities with Bush and Iraq!??
And the obama admin was squarely involved in the restructuring of the Libyan govt. Ive provided a dozen links that tell you that.
|
|
apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 10:11am PT
|
"Doc, we were attacked by libyans and NOW we focus in Iran and you see no similarities with Bush and Iraq!?? "
Yes, in the same way that Lembert Dome & Mt Everest are similar.
|
|
Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 10:12am PT
|
wow, you guys need to work in the EQUINE industry- they need a new BLINDERS set up..
|
|
apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 10:15am PT
|
YOU need to take those ideologic coke-bottle magnifier lens glasses off, Ron. Your perspective is beyond tweaked.
|
|
Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 10:28am PT
|
can i borrow your ROSE colored lenses?
|
|
Ricky
climber
Sometimes LA
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 10:39am PT
|
I suppose it's too much to ask for you to realize exactly who's calling for war with Iran and who's trying to moderate those calls.
|
|
Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 10:48am PT
|
Obama immediately focused on IRan after the Libyan attacks against US. You tell me what that means.
|
|
survival
Big Wall climber
Terrapin Station
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 10:58am PT
|
Sept 11 = Afghanistan = Iraq
Romney = Israel = Iran = Libya = Iran
Get it Ron?
Same ol' asshat in sheeps clothing.
In 94 Romney said he supported Roe V Wade and that he would never be multiple choice about that. Hmmmm, where is he now?
To imagine that Romney is somehow more truthful than Obama is pure fantasy.
|
|
Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 11:05am PT
|
i never imagined romney or any other career politician to be truthful. Not for one second. ;-)
But the dealings with Iran are exactly the same as the dealings with afghanistan/packistan/ Iraq.
The drones and annonymous style attacks we now engage in FURTHER the hatred of us there. We are labelled as cowardly by al-kay-duh. They WILL use anything of this nature as a furthering point of their jihads. So its either War, or "get off the pot" as the middle ground equals the continued slaughter and killings that weve been experiencing for quite some time.
|
|
rottingjohnny
Sport climber
mammoth lakes ca
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 11:10am PT
|
During the next debates Obama needs to tap into his inner dick and go for Romney's lying-ass throat... Obama should repeat Romney's quotes from 1 year ago and then ask him why he is now saying the opposite...Obama needs to nail Romney on everyone of his lies..Obama needs to come out guns blazing and put Romney on the ropes at the sound of the bell..
|
|
locker
Gym climber
DUH!!!...
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 11:21am PT
|
rottingjonny...
I totally AGREE!!!...
If Obama DOESN't "go for the throat" and call that lying sack out...
he's a fool!!!...
EDITED:
All hail the "Two finger pose"!!!...
|
|
Ron Anderson
Trad climber
USA Moundhouse Nev. and land o da SLEDS!
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 11:31am PT
|
FAIR fact check sites list them as being EQUAL liars..
|
|
The Warbler
climber
the edge of America
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 11:34am PT
|
^^^ That's like saying a guy who climbs 10 pitches of 5.2 is as accomplished as a guy who climbs 10 pitches of 5.13 because they cover the same distance.
|
|
apogee
climber
Technically expert, safe belayer, can lead if easy
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 11:35am PT
|
This latest theme of 'lying' is getting pretty dull.
One person's 'lie' is another person's 'political strategy'.
This isn't a new phenomenon by any stretch.
|
|
locker
Gym climber
DUH!!!...
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 11:35am PT
|
"Fact Check: Obama and Romney on Social Security
Email39Smaller FontTextLarger Text|Print
AP Photo
The Romney and Obama campaign traded allegations on Social Security today.
Here is a quick fact check.
Romney’s plan raises taxes on Social Security benefits. FICTION.
This allegation from Vice President Biden today is based on the Tax Policy Center’s analysis that attempts to fill in the blanks on Romney’s promise to 1) cut tax rates by 20 percent; 2) close undisclosed loopholes; and 3) balance the budget. Romney can be criticized for failing to provide specifics, but that does not make it accurate to invent specifics like this one. Nowhere has Romney suggested raising taxes on Social Security benefits. In fact, the Romney campaign has explicitly ruled out raising taxes on Social Security benefits.
Seniors face a 25 percent cut in benefits because of “Obama’s failure to lead on this issue.” FICTION.
This allegation from the Romney campaign today is based on this fact: The Social Security Administration projects that Social Security will deplete its trust fund in 2033. After that (and without any changes), Social Security will only have enough money to pay 75 percent of promised benefits. That means that without new tax increases or more deficit spending, seniors 20 years from now would see their benefits cut by 25 percent. That doesn’t affect today’s seniors, and it cannot be solely blamed on the President’s failure to lead. It’s true that President Obama has not offered a plan to address Social Security’s insolvency problem, and this week David Axelrod ducked a question about Social Security on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” saying “this is not the time” to discuss specific reforms to the program. But, after all, Mitt Romney has not offered a plan to fix Social Security either.
Joe Biden voted for higher social Security taxes. Fact.
This allegation from the Romney campaign is based on the Senate vote on Bill Clinton’s 1993 budget, which raised the amount of Social Security benefits subject to income tax for seniors making more than $34,000 a year. The revenue goes into the Medicare trust fund. Then-Senator Biden voted for the bill and so did Vice President Al Gore (breaking 50-50 tie)."...
|
|
Norton
Social climber
the Wastelands
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 11:38am PT
|
Early voting now underway in many states
Most everyone has made up their minds
Locker will get financial help with his healthcare
Ron won't get any
Ya gotta vote for the right guy to get it
That's the rule Locker just decided
|
|
johnboy
Trad climber
Can't get here from there
|
|
|
Oct 14, 2012 - 11:41am PT
|
But the dealings with Iran are exactly the same as the dealings with afghanistan/packistan/ Iraq.
Nothing short of delusional.
They WILL use anything of this nature as a furthering point of their jihads.
You are also the one using any misinformation you can find to support your skewed view to prod and instigate an American intervention.
You and your "might is right" and "I know whats best" views, along with the other war mongers, are the real reasons Americans are hated around the world.
We are labelled as cowardly
Says LEB while lobbing out worded bombs to the rest of the world, relying on the safety of her homeland shores.
|
|
|
SuperTopo on the Web
|
Let us know!